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- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b-L617
- mtDNA haplogroup
- W6a
Problems with Old Prussians are that they no longer exist as a separate ethnos or linguistic group, and that their genetic descendants for the most part no longer live in former areas of East Prussia. We also do not have any ancient DNA samples from the region, so we can't be sure whether West Baltic (including Old Prussian) Y-DNA was more similar to modern East Baltic or to modern Slavic. However, we do have FTDNA customers whose direct paternal ancestors originated from East Prussia. Of course not all of them were descended from Old Prussians, many were descended from various groups of immigrants who flooded into East Prussia throughout history.
Nevertheless, here are 32 pre-1914 people with R1a from East Prussia (see the map of birthplaces in post #2):
Many thanks to Artmar for great help in distinguishing Baltic from Slavic subclades:
Typically East Baltic (modern distribution) and probably East Baltic (12 = 37.5%):
kit 329192 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y16755>YP4296
kit 221446 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y9081>YP350
kit 157553 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y9081>YP350
kit N2278 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP1700
kit 162556 - Z92>Y4459>YP5520
kits E4688 & N43077 (two samples) - Z92+
kit 161829 - S24902>YP561>YP4094>YP4078
kit 71994 - CTS1211>YP1034>YP4258
kit 85285 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP295>L366>YP5223
kit E10339 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP951>Y17619
kit 426239 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>YP968>YP969>YP4335
Typically (modern distribution) East Slavic subclades (3 = 9.4%):
kit 316853 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP573>YP569>YP682
kit 415060 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP573>YP569>YP1256>YP4846
kit 175710 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y2910>Y2915
Typically West Slavic and probably West Slavic subclades (6 = 18.8%):
kit N1840 - M458>PF7521>L260>YP256>YP254>Y4135>Y14244
kit B14462 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029>YP263>Y2921>Y2914>Y20359
kit 145992 - M458+
kit 31553 - M458>PF7521>L260+
kit N5198 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029+
kit 200664 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>S18681>YP315>YP314
Typically West Slavic, and specifically Pomeranian, subclades (3 = 9.4%):
kit 165792 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>YP243>YP389>YP4669
kit E9666 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>YP243>YP269>Y6956>L670
kit N7393 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>YP243
Other typically Slavic (I guess "Pan-Slavic" ???) subclades (8 = 25%):
kit N18451 - CTS1211>YP343>YP340
kit 153224 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y2613
kit 275076 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y2613>Y2609>Y2608>YP613
kit 330940 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>L1280>FGC19283>YP1448
kit E4464 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>L1280>FGC19283>YP1448>FGC19273
kit 2546 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>S18681>Y12463 >YP1428*
kit 131361 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>Y 3219>YP1144>PH3519-B2
kit 137403 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>YP515
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Other samples of East Prussian R1a (not included due to low-resolution SNP data):
kit E6115 - M512+
kit E10941 - M198+
kit E2656 - M198+
kit N2864 - M417+
kit 145455 - M417+
Nevertheless, here are 32 pre-1914 people with R1a from East Prussia (see the map of birthplaces in post #2):
Many thanks to Artmar for great help in distinguishing Baltic from Slavic subclades:
Typically East Baltic (modern distribution) and probably East Baltic (12 = 37.5%):
kit 329192 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y16755>YP4296
kit 221446 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y9081>YP350
kit 157553 - Z92>Z685>YP270>YP351>Y9081>YP350
kit N2278 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP1700
kit 162556 - Z92>Y4459>YP5520
kits E4688 & N43077 (two samples) - Z92+
kit 161829 - S24902>YP561>YP4094>YP4078
kit 71994 - CTS1211>YP1034>YP4258
kit 85285 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP295>L366>YP5223
kit E10339 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP951>Y17619
kit 426239 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>YP968>YP969>YP4335
Typically (modern distribution) East Slavic subclades (3 = 9.4%):
kit 316853 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP573>YP569>YP682
kit 415060 - Z92>Y4459>YP617>YP573>YP569>YP1256>YP4846
kit 175710 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y2910>Y2915
Typically West Slavic and probably West Slavic subclades (6 = 18.8%):
kit N1840 - M458>PF7521>L260>YP256>YP254>Y4135>Y14244
kit B14462 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029>YP263>Y2921>Y2914>Y20359
kit 145992 - M458+
kit 31553 - M458>PF7521>L260+
kit N5198 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>L1029+
kit 200664 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>S18681>YP315>YP314
Typically West Slavic, and specifically Pomeranian, subclades (3 = 9.4%):
kit 165792 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>YP243>YP389>YP4669
kit E9666 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>YP243>YP269>Y6956>L670
kit N7393 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP238>L365>YP243
Other typically Slavic (I guess "Pan-Slavic" ???) subclades (8 = 25%):
kit N18451 - CTS1211>YP343>YP340
kit 153224 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y2613
kit 275076 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y2613>Y2609>Y2608>YP613
kit 330940 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>L1280>FGC19283>YP1448
kit E4464 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>L1280>FGC19283>YP1448>FGC19273
kit 2546 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>S18681>Y12463 >YP1428*
kit 131361 - CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>Y 3219>YP1144>PH3519-B2
kit 137403 - M458>PF7521>CTS11962>YP515
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Other samples of East Prussian R1a (not included due to low-resolution SNP data):
kit E6115 - M512+
kit E10941 - M198+
kit E2656 - M198+
kit N2864 - M417+
kit 145455 - M417+