Pharaoh Tutankhamun, Akhenaten and Amenhotep III were R1b

I doubt it was Ankhenaten, I would guess it probably happened to the lineage during the time of the Hyksos occupation or maybe around the time of the expulsion of the Hyksos. I think there is some doubt about who was the father of Sekenenre or maybe evenAhmose I, who was the founder of the 18th dynasty.
 
Another thing to mention: Read Manetho's "Aegyptiaka", the most known egyptian historian. He has a Egypt's Kings listing there, starting from Greek Gods such as Zeus etc. not Egyptian Gods. Could that be a clue that the rulers of Egypt were originally Greeks (I am not talking about after Alexander's the Great dynasties such as Ptolemees and Kleopatra who were for sure Greeks).
Most historian do not accept that and they thing that this was due to the antisemitic bias of Manetho, and of course that does not much with the accepted timings... but who knows... there are so many things we still don't know... even the Troyan war was considered to be mythology some decades ago...
 
Should be of Iberian origin.
 
No, no, Canadian. :laughing:
 
willy said:
R1b is found in Egypt this is not a rare haplogroup on that area some central Africans are R1b at high % thats not extraordinary the Pharaohs were R1b as many other Egyptians . No need the Hittites Kings to explain R1b just a reverse back paleolithic migration to Africa long time before the first civilization
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But the western european branch of R1b is very rare in Egypt, and is not found in Central Africa
 
Wilhelm said:
But the western european branch of R1b is very rare in Egypt, and is not found in Central Africa
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R1b1 is defined by the presence of SNP marker P25.
R1b1* is found in northern Cameroon in west central Africa at a very high frequency, where it is considered to represent an early back-migration from Asia.[10] R1b1 reaches a maximum frequency of more than 90% among the Kirdi.[11] R1* (which seems likely also to be R1b1, though not tested for M343 and P25) was also reported in the Bantu of southern Cameroon, and in Oman, Egypt, and the Hutu of Rwanda. Again the authors of the study felt that their data suggested an ancient back migration from Asia to Africa.[12] Another example of R1b1* was discovered in Guinea-Bissau.[13] Further examples have been found among speakers of a variety of different languages in Sudan.[14] The authors of another study have reported finding R1b1-P25(xR1b1b2-M269) Y-DNA in 3% (1/32) of Fante from Ghana, 95% (18/19) of Podokwo from northern Cameroon, 61% (17/28) of Mandara from northern Cameroon, 69% (9/13) of Uldeme from northern Cameroon, 67% (6/9) of Tupuri from northern Cameroon, 9% (1/11) of Bassa from southern Cameroon, 4% (1/24) of Herero from Namibia, 5% (1/22) of Ambo from Namibia, 4% (4/92) of Egyptians, and 4% (1/28) of Tunisians.[15]

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)
 
willy said:
R1b1 is defined by the presence of SNP marker P25.
R1b1* is found in northern Cameroon in west central Africa at a very high frequency, where it is considered to represent an early back-migration from Asia.[10] R1b1 reaches a maximum frequency of more than 90% among the Kirdi.[11] R1* (which seems likely also to be R1b1, though not tested for M343 and P25) was also reported in the Bantu of southern Cameroon, and in Oman, Egypt, and the Hutu of Rwanda. Again the authors of the study felt that their data suggested an ancient back migration from Asia to Africa.[12] Another example of R1b1* was discovered in Guinea-Bissau.[13] Further examples have been found among speakers of a variety of different languages in Sudan.[14] The authors of another study have reported finding R1b1-P25(xR1b1b2-M269) Y-DNA in 3% (1/32) of Fante from Ghana, 95% (18/19) of Podokwo from northern Cameroon, 61% (17/28) of Mandara from northern Cameroon, 69% (9/13) of Uldeme from northern Cameroon, 67% (6/9) of Tupuri from northern Cameroon, 9% (1/11) of Bassa from southern Cameroon, 4% (1/24) of Herero from Namibia, 5% (1/22) of Ambo from Namibia, 4% (4/92) of Egyptians, and 4% (1/28) of Tunisians.[15]

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)
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It's R1b1 not M269. It's an error. And the R1b found in Tutankhamun is of western-european type of R1b
 
Wilhelm said:
It's R1b1 not M269. It's an error. And the R1b found in Tutankhamun is of western-european type of R1b
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Ok not R1b1 may be ? but where is the paper about this ? there is no communication about this Egyptian R1b ? where is the article
 
Maciamo said:
It is very possible that the 18th Dynasty was of Hyksos origin, which could be Hittite or of other Indo-European origin. The Hyksos were described as bowmen and cavalrymen wearing the cloaks of many colors associated with the mercenary Mitanni. This strongly suggest an Indo-European origin indeed, as the steppe people were mounted archers, and the Mitanni are of proven IE origin.

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I do not know that Pharaoh Tut was R1b1b2 ? and there is no valuable sources about this story the Egyptian in charge of that research should communicate about the real haplogroup anyway if this R1b he is R1b1 not R1b1b2 and less Indo European who is a language NOT a Haplogroup found in the Steppe
 
willy said:
R1b1 is defined by the presence of SNP marker P25.
R1b1* is found in northern Cameroon in west central Africa at a very high frequency, where it is considered to represent an early back-migration from Asia.[10] R1b1 reaches a maximum frequency of more than 90% among the Kirdi.[11] R1* (which seems likely also to be R1b1, though not tested for M343 and P25) was also reported in the Bantu of southern Cameroon, and in Oman, Egypt, and the Hutu of Rwanda. Again the authors of the study felt that their data suggested an ancient back migration from Asia to Africa.[12] Another example of R1b1* was discovered in Guinea-Bissau.[13] Further examples have been found among speakers of a variety of different languages in Sudan.[14] The authors of another study have reported finding R1b1-P25(xR1b1b2-M269) Y-DNA in 3% (1/32) of Fante from Ghana, 95% (18/19) of Podokwo from northern Cameroon, 61% (17/28) of Mandara from northern Cameroon, 69% (9/13) of Uldeme from northern Cameroon, 67% (6/9) of Tupuri from northern Cameroon, 9% (1/11) of Bassa from southern Cameroon, 4% (1/24) of Herero from Namibia, 5% (1/22) of Ambo from Namibia, 4% (4/92) of Egyptians, and 4% (1/28) of Tunisians.[15]

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)
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African American haplogroups Y-DNA is estimated to be almost 30%. Ghana and Cameroon were major areas of Atlantic slave trade. Have all the R1b haplogroups been lumped into European origin? The statistics above suggest that R1b for African Americans have African origins in many cases.
 
elghund said:
African American haplogroups Y-DNA is estimated to be almost 30%. Ghana and Cameroon were major areas of Atlantic slave trade. Have all the R1b haplogroups been lumped into European origin? The statistics above suggest that R1b for African Americans have African origins in many cases.
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Yes R1b is found in Central Africa at high level and the African Americans R1b have a African Origin so forget R1b = Indo European the steppe people Indo Europeans etc ... all that kind of interpretations . R1b is an very old and dispersed haplogroup it is not specially associated to the Indo European in that case I1c J2 etc ... are Also Indo Europeans the first speakers of the Indo European language if such idea is possible was more probably J2 or a near east haplogroup and not a western paleolithic or neolithic haplogroup as R1b1b2 .
 
willy said:
Yes R1b is found in Central Africa at high level and the African Americans R1b have a African Origin so forget R1b = Indo European the steppe people Indo Europeans etc ... all that kind of interpretations . R1b is an very old and dispersed haplogroup it is not specially associated to the Indo European in that case I1c J2 etc ... are Also Indo Europeans the first speakers of the Indo European language if such idea is possible was more probably J2 or a near east haplogroup and not a western paleolithic or neolithic haplogroup as R1b1b2 .
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In my opinion, the only subclade of R1b that may be associated with the Indo-Europeans is the P310 clade. Even there, we have the Basques which are outstanding (though there are a number of models which could explain this).

It should be noted that there's an association of the clade V88 with the Afro-Asiatic language family, in particular (but not exclusively) the speakers of the Chadic language family, which is after all related with Berber, Egyptian and Semitic languages (V-88 varieties are found in the Maghreb, Egypt and the Levante). It also makes sense in so far as when you assume that R1b originated in Central Asia, you have to get through the Middle East to get into Africa. It's clear though that this migration event must be rather ancient. It's possible to assume a founder effect of some kind (perhaps promoted by polygyny etc.) which explains why R1b became so dominant in these areas in Africa.
 
willy said:
R1b is found in Egypt this is not a rare haplogroup on that area some central Africans are R1b at high % thats not extraordinary the Pharaohs were R1b as many other Egyptians . No need the Hittites Kings to explain R1b just a reverse back paleolithic migration to Africa long time before the first civilization
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According to the results viewed from the Discovery Channel, Tutankhamun belonged to the European R1b1b2, not the African R1b1*. This is why it is so surprising.

Please try to read at least the first post in a thread before replying, not just the title.
 
willy said:
Yes R1b is found in Central Africa at high level and the African Americans R1b have a African Origin so forget R1b = Indo European the steppe people Indo Europeans etc ... all that kind of interpretations . R1b is an very old and dispersed haplogroup it is not specially associated to the Indo European in that case I1c J2 etc ... are Also Indo Europeans the first speakers of the Indo European language if such idea is possible was more probably J2 or a near east haplogroup and not a western paleolithic or neolithic haplogroup as R1b1b2 .
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That's wrong. Most of the African-American's R1b is of the western-european branch, due to intermarrying with White europeans.
 
Maciamo said:
According to the results viewed from the Discovery Channel, Tutankhamun belonged to the European R1b1b2, not the African R1b1*. This is why it is so surprising.

Please try to read at least the first post in a thread before replying, not just the title.
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Could this also rule out the Hittite theory, Maciamo?
 
Wilhelm said:
That's wrong. Most of the African-American's R1b is of the western-european branch, due to intermarrying with White europeans.
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Is there a source for that?
 
Los resultados de la prueba de ADN del faraón Tutankamón concluyen que pertenecía a Europa occidental, ibérico por parte de padre. En este enlace se puede leer un pequeño artículo muy revelador sobre esto. Si se confirma supone una noticia que puede cambiar la historia: ¿era la estirpe real egipcia de origen europeo occidental - ibérico?

The results of DNA testing concluded that King Tut belonged to Western Europe, Iberian father's side. In this link you can read a small article on this very revealing. If confirmed is a story that can change history: was the Egyptian royal line of Western European origin - Iberian?

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http://www.bajaryoutube.com/videos/king-tut-unwrapped-king-tuts-dna-r1b-royal-blood-bytid-bNmZQJsRjrc.html
 
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Richard Coyle said:
Could this also rule out the Hittite theory, Maciamo?
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No, R1b1b2 is also common in Anatolia. According to the Indo-European migration theory, R1b1b2 originated either in Anatolia or around the Caucasus, then migrated to Europe, probably via the Pontic steppes. The Hittite invasion of Egypt is a well documented fact. It remains completely possible that the Indo-European Hittites created a new dynasty in Egypt.

European history has shown (e.g. Normans, Germanic invasions) that foreign invaders can set up new dynasties in the conquered land without having a substantial influence on the genetic pool of the conquered land. I think this is what could have happened in Egypt too.
 
Maciamo said:
No, R1b1b2 is also common in Anatolia. According to the Indo-European migration theory, R1b1b2 originated either in Anatolia or around the Caucasus, then migrated to Europe, probably via the Pontic steppes. The Hittite invasion of Egypt is a well documented fact. It remains completely possible that the Indo-European Hittites created a new dynasty in Egypt.

European history has shown (e.g. Normans, Germanic invasions) that foreign invaders can set up new dynasties in the conquered land without having a substantial influence on the genetic pool of the conquered land. I think this is what could have happened in Egypt too.
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There is no denying the evidence, the paternal origin of the Egyptian pharaohs is Iberian. It is good that one would like genetics, but is very bad form to use only interested.


http://www.bajaryoutube.com/videos/king-tut-unwrapped-king-tuts-dna-r1b-royal-blood-bytid-bNmZQJsRjrc.html


It is hiding the truth, the position of Egypt I think children in many countries have had foreign kings, nothing happens Egypt, tells the truth goes the world!, Oh my God! some can not handle the truth.
 
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