Are you seriously saying that all R-U152 males outside Italy descend from Roman legionaries from Italy?
Impossible because oldest R-U152 samples was found regions between bohemia , bavaria and alps , this is too older than romans, this clade born in europe central with proto-celtic and italic people , these people later desenvolved celtic and italic languages but was basically same people because both came from same father , so we can assume that a person who came from a subclade italic this person can say he is descendeant from celtic or italic people because have no difference , celtic and italic from alps region are only people with language and a different culture , phenotype for example from these proto celtic and proto italic was probably all almost the same but when these people later who developed italic language migrated to italy they had contact with another ancient tribes coming from south like illyrians for example so their phenotype envolved probably to a dark phenotype, dominant genes, celts who migrated to northwest europe and british isles can mantain their phenotype because they had more contact with recessive genes
I agree with this. However your example of Illyrians having a darker phenotype than Italics cannot be right. They were surely of similar colouring.
This is literally impossible , celtic and proto-itallic both had the same ancient father so they had same phenotype , they had a high steppe , celtic and italic is just a culture , language , when these people from alps migrated to northeast italy they got another phenotype because contact with illyrians and another ancient tribes with high farmer who had darker phenotype
Latins and Etruscans had less Steppe than R1 (Proto-Villanovan) from Martinsicuro (Adriatic Central Italy) who may have had Balkan connections.
Is basic people coming from north had a higher steppe and south high farmer
But Martinsicuro is not further north than Etruria (Etruscan country which as less Steppe than R1).
I mean celts and proto-italic from alps region in some moment had exactly same phenotype because both son of R-P312 father R-L21, R-U152 ..., all of them had high steppe when these proto italic began to have contact with another ancient tribes with higher farm the things began to change
The the Proto-Italics moved into Italy and mixed heavily with local women who were of indigenous farmer (EEF) stock. Italy was well populated during the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age compared to other places especially to the North. Proto-Italic people probably practiced the rite of Ver Sacrum in which young males were sent off in small bands to settle elsewhere, often through conquest or assimilation into the localities they migrated to.
This is what the Broion MBA samples show indeed. They could be modelled about 19% German Beaker, the rest Copper Age local farmers. Or about 25% Steppe the rest Central Italian Copper age farmers, which had some small
Yes , celts from south had more contact with ancient tribes with higher farmer , so is normal steppe be lower on them than celts from central and north france
she had contact with tribes with high farmer
She had higher Steppe than most other central Italian IA samples.
