Immigration sexual harassments by immigrants

[epoch]

The only prejudice I have is against racist like you. You don't want just the rapists or the thieves out of Europe, you want all the Muslims and Immigrants out. This is a discrimination of the whole group. You are a racist to the bone.

If you can't read and understand posts, or express yourself logically, than I advise you to shut up on serious matters. All of us agreed here that described attacks are terrible and perpetrators should be prosecuted and punished. The thing some of us didn't agree on is this discriminatory conviction of many here that all immigrants should be removed, take blame for what happened, or new immigrants not to be accepted anymore.
We never even slightly suggested that women shouldn't be present in these places, and take any blame. They are completely innocent and victimised! Where the hell you see prejudice and racism in it?!!! For god sake, scroll up up to our posts, read up, memorised this time, and don't say stupid things anymore.

Do you understand what is going on now? Do you understand our position now? Do you understand that there is no racism in protecting of people against "mob lynching" or "your village justice" which is present here?

I advise you to tread water carefully with your accusations and speak wisely, or one of us will be kicked out of Eupedia very soon.

O dear. The mildly amusing part starts again.

 

[epoch]

So I have waited with my answer until I got further informations Now I have them.

First of all these incidences are typical for what happenspredominantly in North Africa since several years. It is called "taharrush gamea" translated "group rape".

Than I found another article that kinda disproved the accusation of one of the cops. One of the cops said "some of the people there were grinning towards them and tearing appart there residency papers with the words 'I am Syrian, we are guests of Merkel you can't do anything to us, I will get me one tommorow again'."

Well local authorities don't believe this story and said this can't be true because the refugees don't get simple papers but have ID cards which you can't simply tear appart as claimed. This alone kinda makes this story kinda dubious.

Another thing that the local authorities said it was North African gangs and that they came via the France route, however some of them are registered as Syrians. Well the authorities had an explanation for that too and it was actually widely known. Some of the so called "Syrian refugees are actually not really Syrian.

They told the media, "when some of these guys arrived they claimed to be from Syria when we brought a Syrian translater to them who didn't understand them very well and testified that they speak the Maghreb Dialect (Maghreb is the Arabic word for West which is North Africa), they claimed that their parents were originally from Maghreb but had settled in Syria a decade ago therefore they had the Maghreb accent. "

However looking at the incidence this statement seems rather like a lie.

For further informations google taharrush gamea

Links please.

EDIT: I bolded what I especially want sourced.

 

[gyms]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_znVnOizU8

Leading the suicidal "progressive" war on free speech.

 

[Alan]

Links please.

EDIT: I bolded what I especially want sourced.

http://bazonline.ch/panorama/vermis...enomen-aus-arabischen-laendern/story/23867101

One source I will search for the other when I find it again. Until than you have to either trust my word or not.

But the matter of fact is this taharrus gamea is an North African "rape game" since a few years and the fact that the media spoke about "North African groups" and that the victims testified to have been raped by "morrocans" speaks for itself.

This Taharrus gamea seems to be a rather recent phenomenon in North Africa either and the result of failed policy in these countries that the victim is fault.

 

[bicicleur 2]

The only prejudice I have is against racist like you. You don't want just the rapists or the thieves out of Europe, you want all the Muslims and Immigrants out. This is a discrimination of the whole group. You are a racist to the bone.

If you can't read and understand posts, or express yourself logically, than I advise you to shut up on serious matters. All of us agreed here that described attacks are terrible and perpetrators should be prosecuted and punished. The thing some of us didn't agree on is this discriminatory conviction of many here that all immigrants should be removed, take blame for what happened, or new immigrants not to be accepted anymore.
We never even slightly suggested that women shouldn't be present in these places, and take any blame. They are completely innocent and victimised! Where the hell you see prejudice and racism in it?!!! For god sake, scroll up up to our posts, read up, memorised this time, and don't say stupid things anymore.

Do you understand what is going on now? Do you understand our position now? Do you understand that there is no racism in protecting of people against "mob lynching" or "your village justice" which is present here?

I advise you to tread water carefully with your accusations and speak wisely, or one of us will be kicked out of Eupedia very soon.

I reported the news as it was unfolding.
I never generalised and said all immigrants are alike.
I noticed authorities tried to put this under the carpet and to deny that immigrants were the purpotrators.
I went even further to say that other cases of violence by immigrants have been punt under the carpet by the authorities in Europe. This is something I won't take back, there are indications enough for that.
I claim that immigration is not a blessing for Europe and that political correct people are lying about that.
So why am I a racist? Who says I want all Muslims and immigrants out? You are paranoïa when someone disagrees with you and your political correct agenda.

In this thread you have accused Europeans to be rapists, racists and nazi's.
You insinuate what happened in Köln is normal European behaviour.
You say that Europeans who point to immigrants for what happend in Köln are racists.
You suggest that women who report themselves as victim of rape in Köln are nazi's trying to stir racism.

How paranoïa can you be? You think you are correct in everything but in fact you are afraid of an unconvenient truth.

 

[bicicleur 2]

O dear. The mildly amusing part starts again.

sorry, I can't help it

neither can he

 

[bicicleur 2]

So I have waited with my answer until I got further informations Now I have them.

First of all these incidences are typical for what happenspredominantly in North Africa since several years. It is called "taharrush gamea" translated "group rape".

Than I found another article that kinda disproved the accusation of one of the cops. One of the cops said "some of the people there were grinning towards them and tearing appart there residency papers with the words 'I am Syrian, we are guests of Merkel you can't do anything to us, I will get me one tommorow again'."

Well local authorities don't believe this story and said this can't be true because the refugees don't get simple papers but have ID cards which you can't simply tear appart as claimed. This alone kinda makes this story kinda dubious.

Another thing that the local authorities said it was North African gangs and that they came via the France route, however some of them are registered as Syrians. Well the authorities had an explanation for that too and it was actually widely known. Some of the so called "Syrian refugees are actually not really Syrian.

They told the media, "when some of these guys arrived they claimed to be from Syria when we brought a Syrian translater to them who didn't understand them very well and testified that they speak the Maghreb Dialect (Maghreb is the Arabic word for West which is North Africa), they claimed that their parents were originally from Maghreb but had settled in Syria a decade ago therefore they had the Maghreb accent. "

However looking at the incidence this statement seems rather like a lie.

For further informations google taharrush gamea

It is a possibility, look at my post n° 1 at the beginning of this thread.
That was when the news still seeping in.
I suggested it was similar to the rapings at Tahrir square in Egypt a couple of years ago.

The thing is that authorities are so paranoïa about immigrants and criminal behaviour, they try to cover up everything. They make rational discussions impossible. They want us to believe that immigration is only a good thing for Europe and they twist the truth for it. They are actualy feeding racism.

So I don't know about the origin of these people, but it looks like they had Syrian pasports and they had the papers that allowed them to stay in Germany. Obviously Germany let the wrong people in.
They were described by witnesses as North African and Arab.

 

[epoch]

http://bazonline.ch/panorama/vermis...enomen-aus-arabischen-laendern/story/23867101

One source I will search for the other when I find it again. Until than you have to either trust my word or not.

But the matter of fact is this taharrus gamea is an North African "rape game" since a few years and the fact that the media spoke about "North African groups" and that the victims testified to have been raped by "morrocans" speaks for itself.

This Taharrus gamea seems to be a rather recent phenomenon in North Africa either and the result of failed policy in these countries that the victim is fault.

I want to see links for the claims that the perpetrators were Moroccans or Algerians (French Maghrebi's) rather than recent Asylum seekers. I am aware that at some point after January the 4th this was the story in the newspapers. But I'd like to see recent evidence for that. This is how the story developed: First stories of newspapers, such as this story, where policemen from Cologne rejected the view of their bosses. Then later NRW's inner minister Ralf Jäger came out and confirmed that. Were they wrong? If so, you have links of that?

 

[Angela]

epoch;474237]That would most likely help. Hell, nobody in Germany would consider it a bad idea. But don't you consider it strange that feminists talk about a perceived rape culture on campus, yet completely ignore a culture that considers western clad women filthy whores? And trust me: I have heard that phrase all to often. And doesn't it strike you that as these kind of things happen a number of people, quite often exactly the same people that try to bring perceived campus rape culture under attention, refuse to bring up migrants culture?

I know exactly what you mean, but I don't find it "strange" exactly. Where politics is concerned, and "feminism" in the sense that we're discussing it is a political movement, in my opinion, I gave up expecting consistency and rationality a long time ago.We have Hillary Clinton pontificating that every rape allegation made by a woman should be believed, but there are several outstanding ones against her husband which she vehemently denies. Carly Fiorina, who rose through the ranks to head a huge corporation, is told she is anti-feminist because she is anti-abortion except in extreme circumstances. It goes on and on.

Yes, I saw you had a Oriana Fallaci avatar a while ago.

I don't and never did subscribe to her politics or to some of her more extreme statements about Islam, although she made some salient points about the need for Europe to maintain its culture and values. The primary reason I used her as an avatar for a while is because I admired her intellect, her integrity, her strength, and her courage tremendously, as well as the depth of the love that she could give. When she was barely a girl she was a partisan fighting the Nazis and the Italian fascists. She wound up tearing off her burka in front of Khomeini. What a woman!

Ha! This is very interesting, because it forces me to think on how my bullshit filter - an indispensable asset - works. There is the fact that the story is made from pieces, all gathered from different sources with different "interests". The Baltimore stories were all coming from people with the same "interest", i.e. trying to prove that the police shoots random blacks. There is the fact that the officials didn't try to cover up the stories of harassment anymore, once the story broke, but try to cover up the fact that these were recent asylum seekers, which to me points out that they were aware of the harassment stories and knew how bad it was. Lastly, what surfaced looked like something that isn't at all commonly known in Europe but has been occurring in the Middle East: http://speisa.com/modules/articles/...-taharrush-and-now-it-has-come-to-europe.html

Well, the reality is more complicated both here and in Europe, in my opinion. In the U.S., a friend of the victim first said it. Then, more and more people said it. Why? Some probably wound up thinking they did see it. You'd be surprised what the power of suggestion can do. Some undoubtedly said it because of a political agenda. Yet we now know that it wasn't true. Has it occurred to you to ask why? There wasn't any video or any pictures. The reason is that dozens of African-Americans from the community who were present went to the police to testify as to the truth, and their testimony was totally consistent with the forensics, whereas the testimony of the other "witnesses" was totally inconsistent not only with the forensics, but inconsistent between the witnesses themselves.

The other important thing to know is that there are indeed racist cops and cops who are trigger happy. You don't have to trust me on this one. We had two other cases in close proximity which were caught on film and which showed white cops literally shooting down some black kids who were absolutely no danger to the policeman or to anyone else. So, people in poor, black communities aren't delusional to be suspicious of the police. Nor do the police departments want cops like this; these guys were immediately put into custody and charged.

In the case of these recent events in Europe I haven't been following it as closely so I'm not sure what my "meter" would say. From Alan's post it seems to me that there could have been some exaggeration going on, or out and out fantasy in some cases, like the supposed conversation about the cards and tearing them up. That one "smells" a bit to me, as did the "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot" one. Anti-immigrationists in Europe, like black activists in the U.S., have an agenda, and it's really easy to somehow come up with the "perfect" image or sound bite to support that agenda. Of course, it's impossible for me to know if it really happened. It seems that even the origin of these men is unclear.

The point is that politicians and political activists and journalists from all sides of the political spectrum jump to the conclusion that fits their template, their agenda. I never trust any of them. Law enforcement and prosecutors have to take each individual case and try to find out the truth, no matter where it leads. Unless they can do this, any society is doomed.

I'll tell the responsible people next time I meet them On a serious note, every involvement in this situation means picking a side, in a conflict without good sides. I know and understand that realism dictates that we must act despite the fact that all acts have nasty consequences - something brilliantly summarized by an Australian politician with the line: "Only the impotent are pure". But apart from maybe the Kurds we seriously want to avoid supporting any side, at this point in the Syrian war. The only other option we may have would be supporting Assad. Potent, but very, very impure would be to strike a deal with him and and offer support for accepting back migrants. What is the level of impurity we are willing to accept?

I'm a big proponent of realpolitik, but I don't think Assad is acceptable; he's too tainted by what he's authorized. There have to be other people, military people, perhaps. Look at Egypt. This hands off policy is what got you, all of us, into this mess. No one is even supporting Jordan. How many refugees can they continue to take in? What happens if that government falls too?

I tend to like Ian Kershaw more on the subject, and to have a look at what Germans thought during the 12 Nazi years this book: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/1051.html

I can totally understand why you like his work more, but that doesn't mean it's more accurate. I'm sure you're aware of the criticism of his work, criticism with which I agree. Most people are cowards, so you can't expect too much from them in situations where disagreement or making waves would be dangerous for them and their families. However, there were differences country by country in terms of the level of anti-semitism that existed in Europe both prior to World War I and in the period between World War I and World War II. There were differences in terms of how many people were willing to take an active role in the front line against "undesirables", and at the opposite end of the spectrum how many people were willing to risk their lives to save victims of these policies, even when they were all ruled by the same groups. Kershaw should have done a comparison of the Italian situation versus that in Germany and eastern Europe before he drew some of his conclusions. Not that I mean to say that Italy isn't greatly culpable in what it allowed to happen to its small Jewish minority. It's a disgrace, in fact, a hideous betrayal of a community highly integrated into Italian society, and which had contributed a great deal to Italy on all levels ever since it had been allowed to do so. Many of the ones who survived have neither forgotten nor forgiven, and I don't blame them at all. It can't be denied, however, that there were major differences between the two countries, not least that fascism as conceived by Mussolini was quite different in this regard from Nazism as conceived and voted for by Germans. Until 1938, there were still fully Jewish members of the Italian Fascist party, and in quite high positions.

I didn't read the linked to book. I was aware of it, but didn't bother reading it... too much evidence to the contrary, not to mention the dictates of common sense.

See the following summary of the Italian record on anti-Semitism and the atrocities against Jews.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005455

There are entire volumes about the experiences of the Italian Jews during this period, and the differences between Italian Fascism and German Nazism for that matter. It's quite one of my major areas of interest in terms of history for rather personal reasons. If you're ever interested, I could provide links.

 

[epoch]

Well, the reality is more complicated both here and in Europe, in my opinion. In the U.S., a friend of the victim first said it. Then, more and more people said it. Why? Some probably wound up thinking they did see it. You'd be surprised what the power of suggestion can do. Some undoubtedly said it because of a political agenda. Yet we now know that it wasn't true. Has it occurred to you to ask why? There wasn't any video or any pictures. The reason is that dozens of African-Americans from the community who were present went to the police to testify as to the truth, and their testimony was totally consistent with the forensics, whereas the testimony of the other "witnesses" was totally inconsistent not only with the forensics, but inconsistent between the witnesses themselves.

The other important thing to know is that there are indeed racist cops and cops who are trigger happy. You don't have to trust me on this one. We had two other cases in close proximity which were caught on film and which showed white cops literally shooting down some black kids who were absolutely no danger to the policeman or to anyone else. So, people in poor, black communities aren't delusional to be suspicious of the police. Nor do the police departments want cops like this; these guys were immediately put into custody and charged.

In the case of these recent events in Europe I haven't been following it as closely so I'm not sure what my "meter" would say. From Alan's post it seems to me that there could have been a lot of exaggeration going on, or out and out fantasy in some cases, like the supposed conversation about the cards and tearing them up. That one really "smells" to me, as did the "Hand's Up, Don't Shoot" one. Anti-immigrationists in Europe, like black activists in the U.S., have an agenda, and it's really easy to somehow come up with the "perfect" image or sound bite to support that agenda.

The point is that politicians and political activists and journalists from all sides of the political spectrum jump to the conclusion that fits their template, their agenda. Law enforcement and prosecutors have to take each individual case and try to find out the truth, no matter where it leads. Unless they can do this, any society is doomed.

O most certainly every one, also the anti-migrationists, has an agenda. But the main stream media does not support their agenda while actively supporting the no-oxygen-for-racism agenda. They even have that codified: There is a sort of code of conduct for journalists, the Code of Bordeaux, which more or less is centered around truth finding. Always use more sources, allow the discussed party a reply, stuff like that. Then, in 1984 an item was added stating that journalists should always be aware of the possible discrimination and racism that could be caused by their article.

The black lives matter crowd have a lot of media support, the anti-migration crowd has the opposite: The media is actively trying to counter their stories. As we now have seen the police and authorities have a similar policy.

I'm a big proponent of realpolitik, but I don't think Assad is acceptable; he's too tainted by what he's authorized. There have to be other people, military people, perhaps. Look at Egypt. This hands off policy is what got you, all of us, into this mess. No one is even supporting Jordan. How many refugees can they continue to take in? What happens if that government falls too?

Then accept 10 years of civil war. Lebanon, but a magnitude larger.

I can totally understand why you like his work more, but that doesn't mean it's more accurate. I'm sure you're aware of the criticism of his work, criticism with which I agree. Most people are cowards, so you can't expect too much from them in situations where disagreement or making waves would be dangerous for them and their families. However, there were differences country by country in terms of the level of anti-semitism that existed in Europe both prior to World War II and in the period between World War I and World War II. There were differences in terms of how many people were willing to take an active role in the front line against "undesirables", and at the opposite end of the spectrum how many people were willing to risk their lives to save victims of these policies, even when they were all ruled by the same groups. Kershaw should have done a comparison of the Italian situation versus that in Germany and eastern Europe before he drew some of his conclusions. Not that I mean to say that Italy isn't greatly culpable in what it allowed to happen to its Jewish minority. It's a disgrace, in fact, a hideous betrayal of a community highly integrated into Italian society, and which had contributed a great deal to Italy on all levels ever since it had been allowed to do so. It can't be denied, however, that there were major differences between the two countries, not least that fascism as conceived by Mussolini was quite different in this regard from Nazism as conceived and voted for by Germans. Until 1938, there were still fully Jewish members of the Italian Fascist party, and in quite high positions.

I think that the persecution of the Jews in Italy was due to pressure by the Germans.

I didn't read the linked to book. I was aware of it, but didn't bother reading it... too much evidence to the contrary, not to mention the dictates of common sense.

The book comes with a good set of documentation. It also draws from surprising sources, such as the "Deutschlandberichte" from exiled German SDP members and Gestapo investigations into the mood of the Germans.

See the following summary of the Italian record on anti-Semitism and the atrocities against Jews.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005455

There are entire volumes about the experiences of the Italian Jews during this period, and the differences between Italian Fascism and German Nazism. It's quite one of my major areas of interest in terms of history for rather personal reasons. If you're ever interested, I could provide links.

I am interested, but for the sake of brevity lets keep that for another thread.

 

[epoch]

http://bazonline.ch/panorama/vermis...enomen-aus-arabischen-laendern/story/23867101

One source I will search for the other when I find it again. Until than you have to either trust my word or not.

But the matter of fact is this taharrus gamea is an North African "rape game" since a few years and the fact that the media spoke about "North African groups" and that the victims testified to have been raped by "morrocans" speaks for itself.

This Taharrus gamea seems to be a rather recent phenomenon in North Africa either and the result of failed policy in these countries that the victim is fault.

Ah. This would be the source you refer to:

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...echtige-aus-nordafrika-kommen_id_5206359.html

Ein Blick auf das Profil der verdächtigen Täter hält jedoch zur Differenzierung an: So schienen die Übergriffe in Köln vor allem von jungen marokkanischen Männern auszugehen. Von den 19 namentlich bekannten Tatverdächtigen, gegen die derzeit wegen der Silvesternacht ermittelt wird, stammen 13 aus Marokko.

Roughly translated:

A look at the profile of the suspects show differentiation: Apparently the attacks in Köln were mostly from Moroccan men. Of the 19 names of the accused suspects 13 came from Morocco

EDIT: The article also mentions a lot of Syrian refugees are actually from Maghreb. Is this what you referred to, Alan?

 

[Alan]

It is a possibility, look at my post n° 1 at the beginning of this thread.
That was when the news still seeping in.
I suggested it was similar to the rapings at Tahrir square in Egypt a couple of years ago.

This is why I am saying this costume can't be from Syrian refugees because I haven't seen such kind of things in any parts of the Near East to be honest. And I can't understand how some people are calling this "Muslim costumes". Such things could very unlikely happen among my people, because rape is considered a big sin and when it happens it will hurt your reputation , means no one will stay in your contact, you get into prison or even worse among the more conservative once you could be murdered because there is a strong family bound no matter if female or male. Among Arab muslims it seems that the female as the weak spot is always fault and exactly this seems to have encouraged the youth in North Africa to gang rape, they don't see the consequences.

No doubt rape happens every in the world, I know that rape in Germany is very high even among native Germans but the point is that this disgusting costume of group rape seems to stem from North Africa.

The thing is that authorities are so paranoïa about immigrants and criminal behaviour, they try to cover up everything. They make rational discussions impossible. They want us to believe that immigration is only a good thing for Europe and they twist the truth for it. They are actualy feeding racism.

I don't think they are paranoid, the reason why they tried to hide it was because they were scared, especially because of groups such as Pegida. They don't know how to handle the immigrant waves they have to face criticizm from far right groups who would not only use this for their purpose but were also caught several times faking stories of sexual harrasment and other crimes. So now they would have had a real story to use. It is obvious that the German politics are overwhelmed with the refugee waves.

But I agree they should have been honest with this from the beginning it was a wrong decision to try to cover everything up.

So I don't know about the origin of these people, but it looks like they had Syrian pasports and they had the papers that allowed them to stay in Germany. Obviously Germany let the wrong people in.

As I said they had Syrian passports but it is very easy to fake Syrian passports there were news about this in TV several times it is easy for some groups to fake Syrian passports this is exactly how two of the prepetrators could came in as Syrian refugees despite being Belgian locals who had fought in Syria. It is said that the large majority had North African passports only some (10 I think) had really Syrian passports and even among these it is not clear if they are really Syrians or from Maghreb.

I also think they let in the wrong people but I feel just bad for the honest refugees which obviously the large majority of them are.
I even have a proposal instead of letting in all the people who made it to the borders of Europe how about European countries go actually to refugee camps and pick out the refugees they want to give refug. In this way the families don't need to risk the lives of their younger once in the Mediterranean see, you and the ratio of young males vs big families will be in favor for families because obviously it is rather the young males who will risk to come over to Europe and be able to survive.

They were described by witnesses as North African and Arab.

One does not exclude the other.

 

[Alan]

Ah. This would be the source you refer to:

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...echtige-aus-nordafrika-kommen_id_5206359.html



Roughly translated:



EDIT: The article also mentions a lot of Syrian refugees are actually from Maghreb. Is this what you referred to, Alan?

It was a different source but this one says roughly the same yes. The article I saw also testified that some of the so called "Syrian refugees" had a Maghrebian accent and claimed that their ancestors came originally from Maghreb but have been living in Syria for decades. What is obviously a lie.

Since the victims said the guys who did rape and touch them were Morrocans and the authorities spoke of "North African" people and this gang rape is a more "North African" thing it looks like even these few individuals with Syrian passport(according to the article it was ~10 people with Syrian passport among thousand of people) were possibly Maghrebians too.

The article I saw also said that the refugees have ID cards, therefore it is unlikely that they teared appart there "papers" saying that they are Syrian refugees. So the statement of one of the police officers is dubious.

The whole point is many statements are very dubious and we still don't know the whole truth, the only thing which can be said to be "confirmed" is, 1. This kind of "gang rape" is known predominantly from North Africa (and India). 2. The girls testified that the persons who raped and touched them were Moroccans. That doesn't mean that Moroccan immigrants are "rapist" just that this costume of public sexual harrasment is much more prevelant in North Africa and India.

 

[Alan]

Also interesting part from your article.

Für die Polizei ist das nichts Neues. Sie weist schon seit Jahren auf das kriminelle Profil vieler Einwanderer aus den Maghreb-Staaten Marokko, Algerien und Tunesien hin. Statistiken des Kölner Kriminalkommissariats 41 zeigen, dass 40 Prozent aller Asylbewerber aus dem Maghreb strafrechtlich auffällig geworden sind – bei Syrern liegt die Quote nur bei 0,5 Prozent.

I translate: For the Police this is nothing new. They point since years to the criminal profile of many immigrants from the Maghreb states such as Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia.
Statistics of the cologne crime commissioner show that 40% of all "refugees" from the Maghreb have been criminally active while the quote for Syrians is at 0,5%.

Take in mind that includes every kind of "criminal" activities. It could be small crimes too such as driving train without ticket for example.


Also the other article said that most of the Maghreb refugees came via the Italy/France route while some via Turkey as "Syrian refugees", and those people were rather criminal gangs than real North African refugees.

 

[epoch]

Also interesting part from your article.



I translate: For the Police this is nothing new. They point since years to the criminal profile of many immigrants from the Maghreb states such as Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia.
Statistics of the cologne crime commissioner show that 40% of all refugees from the Maghreb have been criminally active while the quote for Syrian migrants is by 0,5%.


Also the other article said that most of the Maghreb refugees came via the Italy/France route while some via Turkey as "Syrian refugees", and those people were rather criminal gangs than real North African refugees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Xn_iM7bUA

Spiegel TV from 2014

And on the criminality numbers they presented: Taking into account what has been said before I don't trust those all too much. Apart from that, do they now know who is a Syrian and who claims to be? If not, on what are those numbers based?

 

[LeBrok]

Cultural Marxism: An offshoot of Marxism that gave birth to political correctness, multiculturalism and "anti-racism." Unlike traditional Marxism that focuses on economics, Cultural Marxism focuses on culture and maintains that all human behavior is a result of culture (not heredity / race) and thus malleable. Cultural Marxists absurdly deny the biological reality of gender and race and argue that gender and race are “social constructs”. Nonetheless, Cultural Marxists support the race-based identity politics of non-whites. Cultural Marxists typically support race-based affirmative action, the proposition state (as opposed to a nation rooted in common ancestry), elevating non-Western religions above Western religions, speech codes and censorship, multiculturalism, diversity training, anti-Western education curricula, maladaptive sexual norms and anti-male feminism, the dispossession of white people, and mass Third World immigration into Western countries. Cultural Marxists have promoted idea that white people, instead of birthing white babies, should interracially marry or adopt non-white children. Samuel P. Huntington maintained that Cultural Marxism is an anti-white ideology. Critics of Cultural Marxism have maintained that Cultural Marxists intend to commit genocide against white people through mass non-white immigration, assimilation, transracial adoption and miscegenation.
http://destoryculturalmarxism.blogspot.se/2013/01/what-is-cultural-marxism.html

Whatever tickles your fancy. You probably feel superior being christian from Balkans living in such polite, tolerant, atheistic and "Culturally Marxist" country like Sweden. Obviously the "stupid" locals don't get the world the way you do. What escaped your understanding is that the only reason you live there is that Swedes are so, what you call, Cultural Marxists and invited you, the poor immigrant from Balkans to their country to share their riches. But hold on, because socially conservative guys like Epoch and Bicicleur, and their proxies in Sweden, are waiting for a right moment to kick you out together with rest of immigrants. They don't care if you are a Christian or Muslim, Albanian or Macedonian, you are the same to them. The system sucking thief, lazy uneducated immigrant, who just want to have sex with their women.
So yes, keep helping Epoch and bicicleur in their histeria against migrants like yourself.

 

[LeBrok]

Lies. Serbians wanted to depart from Bosniaks and let Bosniaks have their own state. How many more times are you gonna play dumb?! Why did US and NATO pressured Bosniaks to start a war? Why did your dear democrats did it, Le Brok?

Your knowledge of "facts" is amazing, better info than from CIA.

You're disgusting persona. Playing an angel while watching your government ruining peoples lives and gloating upon it. Can't believe what a hypocrite you are. I'm totally clear why you run out of Europe as soon as you could.
And, yes, I'm convinced that it is your worst nightmare to come back here.

I have no idea what you mean. You must be living in a different world. Stop reading the conspiracy theory websites. It is killing you.

PS. Easy with the epithets dude. It is not my fault that you had a bad day. Oh, wait, you believe it is my fault...

 

[LeBrok]

In this thread you have accused Europeans to be rapists, racists and nazi's.

Accused? We know that some Europeans are rapists, racists and nazis. Don't you agree?

You insinuate what happened in Köln is normal European behaviour.

Cite me on this one or stop lying.

You say that Europeans who point to immigrants for what happend in Köln are racists.

Some are, don't you agree? Or perhaps you believe that European racists don't care for what happened in Koln?

You suggest that women who report themselves as victim of rape in Köln are nazi's trying to stir racism.

Your reading and comprehension affliction is acting up again. Read again:

I'm sure, that among honest reports, there are fake complaints reported by Neo Nazi sympathisers.

I'm going to present you my statement in numbers. I suppose there were 300 legitimate complains and 10 fake ones. How is that, make sense now?

How paranoïa can you be? You think you are correct in everything but in fact you are afraid of an unconvenient truth.

I'm sick and tired of repeating myself, but here it goes again. There were sesual asults in many European cities caused by Muslim North African migrants. Can you remember now forever what I said?!!! I have a weird feeling that it won't register in your head again.

 

[Fire Haired14]

Whatever tickle your fancy. You probably feel superior being christian from Balkans living in such polite, tolerant, atheistic and "Culturally Marxist" country like Sweden. Obviously the "stupid" locals don't get the world the way you do. What escaped your understanding is that the only reason you live there is that Swedes are so, what you call, Cultural Marxists and invited you, ........

I just showed how Sweden is already facing the consequences of Cultural Marxism. It is self-genocide. They'll be a minority in their own country, crime has gone up because of immigration/refugees, they're going into debt because they can't take care of all the refugees, they don't see this problem because of Cultural Marxist views on race and gender(eg, not recording race of criminals).

America is facing similar issues because of Cultural Marxism. People are refusing to admit there are very serious self-made problems in the Black community that can't be blamed on whites. People refuse to admit Black crime is a bigger issue than Police miss treatment of Blacks. People in high positions of power and influence, Obama and Hillary Clinton, refuse to call Terrorist attacks what they really are "Islamic Terrorism".

Cultural Marxism is bad just as racism and sexism are bad. I would say Racism/sexism are worse than Cultural Marxism that runs rampant in Western countries today. But still it is bad.

Cultural Marxism in a lot of ways is white-suicide. I say suicide because the vast majority are white. I'm not saying this from a white-nationalist position. I'm saying this from a rational-human position. Western countries are creating hate for themselves(propaganda in college, even grade school), hate for their ancestors, hate for Christianity and respect for Islam, reducing their numbers and influence within their own countries(Germany, Sweden!), giving giving giving and feeling sorry for the rest of the world while they receive the middle finger from the people they give to, etc.

This is a stupid view on history, yourself, and forigen policy. It doesn't matter what background someone is from, this is stupid. Furthermore, I think Liberalism including recent Liberalism has done more good than bad because of how common racism/any-type of discrimination towards difference is in humans. Lastly, a non-white, non-western person, has every right and should proudly life in a western-country and fight against cultural Marxism. Someones genetics or cultural background doesn't change this. If I went by those principles, I'm "inpure" and shouldn't be against cultural-Marxism. I'm against it because it's self-destructive not because of white-nationalism.

 

[epoch]

For the Police this is nothing new. They point since years to the criminal profile of many immigrants from the Maghreb states such as Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia.
Statistics of the cologne crime commissioner show that 40% of all immigrants from the Maghreb have been criminally active while the quote for Syrians is at 0,5%.

Also the other article said that most of the Maghreb refugees came via the Italy/France route while some via Turkey as "Syrian refugees", and those people were rather criminal gangs than real North African refugees.

On the other hand, this may be numbers lumped together to serve a political objective. We know that police forces in Germany - and Engeland and Sweden - skew the numbers in order to not feed right wing sentiments. Executives in the police force have links with politicians, the fired head of police of Cologne was a presonal friend of Ralf Jaeger. I have seen a number of reports that indicate that German politicians are panicking about the situation in the country, especially about the civil defense groups that are popping up around the country. To promote the narrative that these events weren't done by Syrians but by asylum law abusers could be a way to get Merkel off the hook and restore faith in the authorities, who now look like the ones that invited and welcomed the rapists of the German daughters. Kind of Wir Schaffen Das 2.0.

I mean, just take a look at this cartoon on how it is percieved. From Knack, Belgium. Hardly an extremist outlet:

https://twitter.com/Knack/status/687622842284945408