Share Your IllustrativeDNA results Ancient and Modern

Who Cares? said:
Strange how your fitness rate is so low. I think any distance higher than 2.0 - 2.5 is telling that there is something else in the mix, which is not accounted by the ancient samples in their database.
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I think that going above 3-3.5 (still undecided about the range) or in G25 vahaduo 0.03-0.035 could mean admix with something else or higher end of what fits in the population. 0.04-0.05 is related but may not fit in the population. here is why I think that:

Distance to:French_Pas-de-Calais:French23862
0.03013201France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.03476425France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.03841662France_Medieval_o
0.06822565France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.14401623France_GrandEst_EBA
0.17509228France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

Distance to:French_Paris:93
0.02066203France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.03405552France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.04510967France_Medieval_o
0.06582540France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.13209651France_GrandEst_EBA
0.15944508France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

Distance to:French_Paris:83
0.03447199France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.04496807France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.05126837France_Medieval_o
0.06373261France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.12613725France_GrandEst_EBA
0.15070493France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

Distance to:French_Paris:77
0.03375806France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.03720136France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.04301793France_Medieval_o
0.07063864France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.12985201France_GrandEst_EBA
0.16128993France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

Distance to:French_Nord:N_34
0.02234017France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.03162713France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.04073015France_Medieval_o
0.06225231France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.13303627France_GrandEst_EBA
0.16038801France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

Distance to:French_Nord:N_33
0.02809168France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.03272067France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.04056172France_Medieval_o
0.05560195France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.13918639France_GrandEst_EBA
0.16731714France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

Distance to:French_Nord:N_28
0.02591685France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.04201214France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.04851569France_Medieval_o
0.06219514France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.12313646France_GrandEst_EBA
0.14899655France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

Distance to:French_Nord:N_22
0.03296224France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
0.04045639France_EBA_BellBeaker
0.04861435France_Medieval_o
0.07164652France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity_oLevant.SG
0.14786534France_GrandEst_EBA
0.17513503France_EBA_BellBeaker_oEEF

These modern French individuals score between 0.038-0.051 with the medieval French sample. I was a bit surprised when I saw the numbers. I was expecting 0.015, 0.02, 0.025.

This is what one modern French individual scores against averaged modern samples from France:

Distance to:French_Paris:83
0.03152947French_Paris
0.03543509French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03545604French_Nord
 
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Here is another example. I have a few modern Irish individuals and I'm comparing them to an averaged modern Irish sample.

Distance to:Irish:Irish4
0.03275190Irish

Distance to:Irish:Irish39
0.02184945Irish

Distance to:Irish:Irish38
0.04100918Irish

Distance to:Irish:Irish37
0.02163742Irish

Distance to:Irish:Irish36
0.03454189Irish

Distance to:Irish:Irish35
0.03144906Irish

Norway same thing individuals vs. average:

Distance to:Norwegian:NOR152
0.02446509Norwegian

Distance to:Norwegian:NOR150
0.03406155Norwegian

Distance to:Norwegian:NOR109
0.02864006Norwegian

Distance to:Norwegian:NOR108
0.01697708Norwegian

Distance to:Norwegian:NOR107
0.02410696Norwegian

Distance to:Norwegian:NOR106
0.03082302Norwegian
 
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I don't think so @qh777
I get on more than a couple calculators distance between 2.0 and 3.0 for Montenegro (results closer to 2), but on most between 3.0 and 4.0, and I definitevely don't have recent Montenegro ancestry.
So I think everything above 2 is a sign of distant other ancestry
 
Who Cares? said:
I don't think so @qh777
I get on more than a couple calculators distance between 2.0 and 3.0 for Montenegro (results closer to 2), but on most between 3.0 and 4.0, and I definitevely don't have recent Montenegro ancestry.
So I think everything above 2 is a sign of distant other ancestry
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Illustrative Says in the FAQ you can get good fits that aren’t one’s specific ethnicity
 
1Greek (Central Macedonia)2.905
2Greek (Central Greece)3.464
3Greek (East Macedonia and Thrace)3.499
4North Macedonian3.560
5Gagauz3.561
6Albanian3.621
7Greek (Peloponnese)3.669
8Balkan Turk (Thessaly)3.965
9Italian (Marche)4.065
10Greek (Thessaly)4.099
11Balkan Turk (North Macedonia)4.240
12Italian (Piedmont)4.243
13Italian (Molise)4.327
14Italian (Liguria)4.363
15Italian (Tuscany)4.428
16Italian (Abruzzo)4.428
17Italian (Apulia)4.433
18Italian (Umbria)4.579
19Swiss (Italian)4.642
20Bulgarian4.674
21Italian (Lombardy)4.784
22Italian (Lazio)4.848
23Sicilian (East)4.931
24Italian (Basilicata)4.944
25Balkan Turk (Central Macedonia)4.951
26Ashkenazi Jew (Ukraine)4.990
27Ashkenazi Jew (Russia)5.061
28Italian (Friuli Venezia Giulia)5.069
29Italian (Veneto)5.074
30Cretan Turk5.084



I am from Greece, Central greece-Thessaly ( which is confirmed with a very short distance in Gedmatch).





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this is another reason why I think 3-3.5 or 0.03-0.035 should count as fitting within the population. I asked someone on youtube that made a video on how to use G25 vahaduo and he was saying 0.01-0.03.
2Greek (Central Greece)3.464
 
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I never shared the map for my results in my original post
 
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Got the notification from Illustrative yesterday that ancient mixed mode Middle Ages (period 4) is ready.
I'll share my top 5 2-way and a couple 3-way results from both kits.

MyHeritage Raw data:

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Ancestry shows similar results for the most part. There are a few exceptions.

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3-way:

1.Number one was the same as Myheritage.


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There are new samples that I match added on Illustrativedna. Many are listed in the 2 and 3-way from my previous two posts I'll share my distance to these individual samples. I'm only sharing good (green) to medium fit (orange) matches. I'll repost my to date number one match (green text) for reference.


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#1 Insular Celt (Dobunni)​

400–1 BC
2.279

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Medieval Gael (Roscommon)​

AD 600–1300
2.549

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Medieval Schleswig​

AD 1070–1210
2.643

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Medieval Frisian (Groningen)​

AD 775–1155
2.906

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Pre-Christian Gael (Iceland)​

AD 870–1000
3.044

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Republic of Metz​

AD 1298–1395
3.132

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Continental Celt (Eastern Gaul)​

500–100 BC
3.150

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Post-Medieval Faroese​

AD 1500–1700
3.201

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Medieval Dane (Zealand)​

AD 1050–1250
3.287

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Medieval Jamt (Frösön)​

AD 1016–1262
3.340

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West European Crusader (Sidon)​

AD 1191–1283
3.505
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Medieval Breton (Quiberon)​

AD 1228–1285
3.542
 
My top 10:

Closest Ancient Samples​

Genetic Distance

1. Post-Medieval Albanian​

AD 1400–1700
2.692

2. Roman Pannonian​

AD 240–400
2.818

3. Post-Medieval Greek Mainlander (Roopkund)​

AD 1803–1811
3.307

4. Medieval South Slav (Danubian Plain)​

AD 1000–1250
3.358

5. South Illyrian​

700–250 BC
3.486

6. Paeonian​

750–100 BC
3.486

7. North Illyrian​

750–1 BC
3.679

8. Roman Dalmatian​

AD 100–520
3.708

9. Christophorus Corvinus (Hunyadi Family)​

AD 1499–1505
3.855

10. Medieval Central Italian (Tarquinia)​

AD 729–1151
3.983
 
Stefano said:
Here are mine for comparison.
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Stuvanè, i am curious about your bronze and iron age mixed result. Can you show them?
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@Stefano

Here are the remaining oracles.

Frankly - apart from the one dedicated to the Middle Ages - I appreciate more the one on the 2 way Bronze Age (it can give a rough indication of the Neolithic and Steppic components) and the 2/3 way on the Roman Age.

I don't consider the Iron Age one realistic.

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qh777 said:
Stuvane are you from central Italy?
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@qh777
Not really.
Let's say more correctly northern-central Italy (Romagna and eastern Emilia: mainly Rimini/Forlì + Ferrara)
 
Thank you Stuvanè. Mine are pretty similar.

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I don't think that the Iron Age ones are too bad, actually, maybe a bit compressed but a good synthesis of northern italian.
Probably in a 2 way model the early italic, etruscan and germanic are all lumped in continental celtic and the greek and imperial roman in the other half.
 
Stefano said:
Thank you Stuvanè. Mine are pretty similar.

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I don't think that the Iron Age ones are too bad, actually, maybe a bit compressed but a good synthesis of northern italian.
Probably in a 2 way model the early italic, etruscan and germanic are all lumped in continental celtic and the greek and imperial roman in the other half.
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That may be, but my very strong doubt is that autosomal estimate determined by c. 50% Celt and c. 50% Greek and/or Anatolian and/or Levant. However much the Roman Empire created the conditions for the influx of people from the eastern Mediterranean, I don't believe that Italians in general but especially North Italians can be shaped by a simple combination of continental Celts/Germans + Greeks and/or Levantines. The picture is too simplistic and does not take into account the previous indigenous population, which I don't think has been erased.
Without forgetting that the G25 - what is behind these oracles - has sometimes sampled with questionable criteria, or even bypassed the sampling of certain populations (including, for example, Emilia-Romagna where I come from). And at that point strange averages are created
 
Stuvanè said:
That may be, but my very strong doubt is that autosomal estimate determined by c. 50% Celt and c. 50% Greek and/or Anatolian and/or Levant. However much the Roman Empire created the conditions for the influx of people from the eastern Mediterranean, I don't believe that Italians in general but especially North Italians can be shaped by a simple combination of continental Celts/Germans + Greeks and/or Levantines. The picture is too simplistic and does not take into account the previous indigenous population, which I don't think has been erased.
Without forgetting that the G25 - what is behind these oracles - has sometimes sampled with questionable criteria, or even bypassed the sampling of certain populations (including, for example, Emilia-Romagna where I come from). And at that point strange averages are created
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Emilia-Romagna is shamefully neglected in these G25 studies.

Is Emilia genetically more like Liguria in NW Italy while Romagna is more towards Marche in central Italy?
 
Vallicanus said:
Emilia-Romagna is shamefully neglected in these G25 studies.

Is Emilia genetically more like Liguria in NW Italy while Romagna is more towards Marche in central Italy?
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@Vallicanus Correct. And this is also evident from the single mode oracle for the current populations, among the tools in the Illustrative DNA itself
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