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Mike,
To avoid confusion references to "Northern Ireland" (a political construct of the 1920's) shouldn't be used when talking about the Viking age. Aside from that it's well know fact that the Vikings suffered several military defeats in both Ulster and Connacht. So much so that you find no long lasting Viking settlements north of Dublin and none what so ever in either Connacht or Ulster. All of the Viking settlements which later grew into towns are in Leinster and Munster. Namely:
- Dublin
- Wicklow (town)
- Arklow -- co. Wicklow
- Wexford (Town)
- Waterford City
- Cork City
- Limerick City
These are areas that are "thin" on M222. Munster at the time is probably dominated by CTS4466 (Eoghanacht) and L226 (Dál gCais) dynastically, whereas Z255/L159.2 looks like relevant dynastical lineage in Leinster. If we go on the research about M222 it appears linked to the Connachta and Uí Néill.
Dublin as a geographic location survived as a Viking settlement mainly as it was on locus of a boundary between two provincial Kingdoms. It's also probable that it was one of the biggest (if not the biggest) slave markets in Western Europe during the period.
-Paul
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You are right, I didn't intend to use the Northern Ireland term as the country but rather a general geographic description.
As far as slave trading goes. I've asked these questions in other discussions before:
1) what estimates do we have on number of male slaves exported by Vikings from Ireland?
2) what percentage do we think actually went to Scandinavia?
3) what was the population of Scandinavia at the time?
In generalities, in the past I've been told that women were more the target then men, most slaves were sold for work abroad and not back in Scandinavia. Scandinavia wasn't really a rich area at the time.
Given the non-elite status of slaves, possible lower adaptability to climate and other factors in Scandinavia, I just don't see how we can get such high numbers of R1b-P312 (or just L21) from the British Isles get into Scandinavia from slave trading.