Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

Italian bocca,Neapolitan mmocca,Romanian moaca(face)
Latin porta,Romanian poarta


Neapolitan moccafava,Romanian mocofan,uomo credulone,
related to Romanian gura-casca(literally,yawning mouth),
gura-sparta (literally, broken mouth).






<Addurmirse cu ‘a zizza ‘mmocca
Ad litteram: Addormentarsi con la tetta in bocca >


Italian tetta,Neapolitan zizza,Romanian țîță(read tsîtsă)




< Barba, capille e ppalluccella ‘mmocca specialmente nell’espressione serví ‘e barba etc.
Ad litteram: barba, capelli e pallina in bocca specialmente >










Neapolitan banne,Romanian ban,money,coin,from Latin banda,bandum,I say




"e BANNË - s. m., pl. “i soldi, il danaro”; `o jammë è bbàchënë ncoppë e bbanë:
“il tizio non paga”; ‘e bbane: “il danaro”; bano: nu bbano: “un soldo”.
a BBANÈSIA – s. f. “il danaro”; `o jammë ra bbanèsia: “il tizio del danaro”.
nu BBANO- v. BANË."(l'antica parlesia napoletana...)


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"The bandon (Greek: βάνδον) was the basic military and territorial administrative unit of the middle Byzantine EmpireIts name, like the Latin bandus and bandum ("ensign, banner"), had a Germanic origin,compare Gothic bandwa sign".




"During the course of the 5th century, the Roman minting system collapsed.
The western half of the Roman Empire was overrun by Germanic tribes,
although some mints remained active in the West under the new barbarian rulers
and continued to mint coins, including high-quality gold solidi, in the name
of the eastern emperors, most notably in Ostrogothic Italy and Burgundy"(Byzantine mints)".




"With the death of Attila the Hun (450 CE) the Ostrogoths declared their independence.
In 474 CE, Theodoric (known as Theodoric the Great) became king of the Ostrogoths and,
backed by the Byzantine Empire, led a campaign into Italy. The Byzantine Empire (formerly
the Eastern Roman Empire) hoped for a return of the glory of Rome and Theodoric, it was thought
, could accomplish this by re-claiming the kingdom from the Germanic King of Italy, Odoacer,
who had taken it from the last Roman emperor. Theodoric defeated Odoacer, pretended to offer
terms of peace, and then killed him, establishing, in 493 CE, the Ostrogothic Empire which
stretched from Sicily, through Italy, to France and parts of modern-day Spain.
Under Theodoric, the empire flourished and Roman art, literature, and culture were embraced.
Although his campaign had been funded by the Byzantines, Theodoric ruled his empire independently
and maintained friendly relations with the empire to the east.
His daughter, and successor, Amalasvintha, ruled first as regent, in 526 CE and in 534 CE became
queen at the death of her son Athalaric. She was assassinated by her cousin Theodahad, who claimed
to be the rightful heir to the throne."
Her death sparked the wrath of Justinian I, Emperor of the Byzantine Empire, who claimed Theodahad a usurper.
He sent the famous general Flavius Belisarius on campaign to Italy to bring the region back into line with the empire"(Ostrogoth)



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Latin bandum had several meanings,IMO, the closest to the one of "money-coin" is that of "ensign".As mercenaries,those Germanic tribes knew under which banner they fought by the face of the Roman emperor from the coin,while in the scarcity of those periods even the native Roman soldiers were paid in products,mostly grains/food.
Later,they were involved in large-scale minting,making of a big part of the whole process a "Germanic problem".





" Medieval Latin bandum, bannum (“order, decree, ban”) "
" Latin bandum, “a band or flag"
"bandum (bandon, Latin bandum). Originally a battle standard, later a troop of 200 men fighting under such a..."

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Linguistic evidence for the movement of the Latin-speaking lowlanders into the highlands
-the lowlanders have adapted to a Romanian/Latin phonology the Paleo-Balkanic terms,except for mal,which in Romanian means "shore,bank",while in Albanian,mountain.
Latin L is preserved in Albanian,but it switches to R in South italian and Romanian,the so-called substratum follows this trend.
Substratum words
Albanian modhull,Romanian mazare
Albanian brushtull,Romanian brusture
Albanian mugull,Romanian mugur
Albanian thumbull,Romanian sambure


Latin words


Latin masculus,Albanian mashkull(man,male),Romanian mascur(pig,hog,boar)
Latin angelus,Albanian engjell,Romanian inger
Latin mola ,Albanian mulli,Romanian moara
"In Latin loanwords, intervocalic
I appears as Alb II (popull, ulli, menjolle). Otherwise it gives I
(larg, leti, plage). Geminated Lat II is reflected as I (pule, gjel, bule)."(Orel,Albanian Etymological Dictionary)
L>>>>R shifts in Romanian and Southern Italian
Calabrese sordi,Italian soldi
Calabrese purviri,Italian polvere
Calabrese pruppa,Italian polpa
Calabrese furminari,Italian fulminare
Calabrese curtejju,Italian coltello
Puglian acierre,Italian uccello
Napoletano barcunata,Italian balcone
Napoletano purpo,italian polipo
Napoletano sardo,Italian saldo
Latin felicitas,Romanian fericire
etc.


Romanian cutreiera( to wander,to scour) comes from Latin contribulare,con plus tribulare,
is the semantic shift that provide enough evidence for the movements into higher places ,treiera,from L. tribulare, means "to thersh".IMO,the expression "a cutreiera in lung si-n lat"
("to wander in long and wide") proves that the Proto-Romanians knew the initial sense of contribulare.




<In the process of Romanization, the sense of a number of Latin words not pertaining to the life of shepherds was changed by the ancestors of the Rumanians to denote shepherding terms, obviously an indication of the main occupation of this people:


meridies ,midday, middle day ,meriză,the place where the cattle rest at midday’
animalia ,animals,nămaie,small cattle’
coccineus ,scarlet red,coasin ,(dialectal):’sheep with reddish spots on its head’
turma ,unit of the Roman cavalry; 30 men; (fig.): group ,turmă,flock’
*stimular(ia) (stimulus) ,pointed stake’ (used in battles) ,strămurare,goad
minor ,to rise, to menace,mâna,to drive, urge on; to carry, push, goad’
Remarks: turmă is an example of a word with a special sense (military) being used in a different special sense (shepherd). Latin stimulus had a similar, but broader sense: pointed stake used in battle; and driving stake, with an iron point, used to drive oxen; as well as figuratively ‘stimulus, irritation’.
Another Latin word, mixticius ‘mixed, crossed, hybrid’ may be added, probably => N. Rum. mistreţ ‘wild boar, (Sus scrofa)’; in French, Provençal, Spanish, and Portuguese with the original Latin sense (see Rosetti, A., Cazacu, B., & Coteanu, I. (red.), Istoria limbii române. [The History of the Rumanian Language], Vol. II, Edit. Acad. RSR, Bucharest, 1969 (Vol. I, 1965)., p. 150). Although this is not a specific shepherd term, it belongs to the life of shepherds.
(Eastern Romance)


Compared with the results,all the source-terms are rather theoretical,pointing to the typical Latin abstractions.



The continuation of that edit is even bigger.


"Insecure times called for construction of fortifications. Some of
these fortified sites were regional centres with military crews and a still
functioning ecclesiastical organization. Besides these, the imperial
authorities strived to build smaller fortifications on important strategic
points along the roads, so as to defend and oversee the communication and
supply systems. These fortified sites also served as refuge centres that
provided safe haven to the populations fleeing the endangered lowland
settlements. Parallel to the construction of these fortifications, smaller
ones were built by rural communities, to provide them with safer
positions. Although their positions changed by moving into locations on
higher altitudes, they carried on with their economic activities on earlier
agricultural fields with a shift towards pastoralism.These measures created a new defensive system, born out of necessity and reflecting how weak the Empire had become. The aim was to reduce the influx of refugees that sought shelters in the south, since the refuges were built in every part of the Empire; but also put to a heavy test the barbarians’ ability to lay siege and to maintain their supply chain"(The World of the Slavs)


"There is in fact enough Latin agricultural vocabulary in Romanian -words for sowing, ploughing, harrowing, and so on - to show that they were farming in Roman times. [69] The shift towards pastoralism was probably quite gradual. One particular factor that may have helped to promote it was the practice of horse-breeding, which was, or at least became, a Vlach speciality: the medieval records are full of Vlach muleteers and Vlachs leading caravans of pack-horses"(Noel Malcom)


"One of the significant elements of the economic life
of an ancient society were market days/village fairs
(nundinae), which had a significant role in supplying
both the urban and rural population.41 In urban areas,
periodical market days were held where the townspeople
could buy produce. The residents of nearby villages
sold their goods there and thus obtained much needed
money for rent or taxes, as well as for buying required
goods or services.42 The Theodosian Codex points to the
importance of selling produce by stating that peasants
were freed from paying lustral tax if they sold produce
from their own farms.43 Products bought for farming
were exempt from the same taxes.44 These regulations
clearly demonstrate the importance of sustaining agricultural
production on both, large and small estates.
The decrees of Emperor Justinian I also stated this view.
In Novella XXXII, addressed to Dominicius, the praetorian
prefect of Illyricum, a series of decrees were
passed to guard against the greed of creditors who took
pawned land from peasants who were unable to repay,
due to poor harvests, the loan of crop seeds.45 In certain
areas itinerant traders also had a significant role.
At Caricin Grad, a large number of artisans, such
as potters, blacksmiths, goldsmiths, glaziers and others
were testified to, clearly indicating that it was a regional
centre which supplied both the local area and those
further afield. The very concept of a newly built centre
with wide streets and porticos points to the fact that the
city was planned as an administrative and trade centre.
(Fig.3) An indication of the lively local and regional
trade is the presence of camels and mules at Caricin
Grad,48 which were particularly used in the 6th century
for transporting goods."
"The 8-day nundinal cycle also seems to have been observed elsewhere in Italy, particularly Campania, as attested in stone calendars and graffiti, as at Pompeii.[85] There are records from the imperial period of towns and villas petitioning for the right to hold such markets (ius nundinarum).[86] Such a right seems to have been universally granted to the capitals of Italy's prefectures (praefecturae) but also extended to some smaller localities where markets were necessary for local trade.[87] These local fairs used the same calendrical system as Rome's, marking out the days of the year into cycles from A to H, but each town or village in an area typically used a separate day, permitting itinerant traders (circumforanei) to attend each in turn."(Nundinae)
"According to Frayn, we may speak of a
« central place » wherever a large town functions as a market centre for a
number of smaller settlements (both smaller towns and villages) in a
surrounding plain. Thus Capua was the « central place » of North Campania
because it was a market centre for the rural population of the area (Cic, Leg.
Agr. 2.88-89), while Noia performed a similar function for the population of the
South Campanian plain."(Markets and Fairs in Roman Italy)


"La straordinaria fertilità della Campania antica, famosa soprattutto per il grano
e il vino, consentiva di sostenere un’articolata rete di città, che trovavano nell’enorme
mercato di Roma lo sbocco principale per le loro eccedenze produttive,
alimentando intense relazioni commerciali, episodicamente attestate dai ritrovamenti
archeologici, ma ricostruibili nei loro meccanismi fondamentali grazie
alla documentazione epigrafica (indices nundinarii) relativa alle nundinae,
mercati periodici di ciclo breve, che si tenevano ogni 7 o 8 giorni in alcune delle
città più importanti della Regio "(TRA LAZIO E CAMPANIA: REGIO I AUGUSTEAE PROBLEMATICHE ODIERNE DI RIPARTIZIONE TERRITORIALE)




"The economic activities of some castella were connected
to agriculture, which particularly applies to those
fortifications situated along the plains and valleys.
This is indicated by the names of castella in some areas
which, according to M. Mirkovi}, bear the names of
former landowners: Tim/ana – Timiana, OÙrbr/ana –
Urbriana, Kassia – Cassia








In the region of the Leskovac basin there were also
villages in the river valleys, evident by the rare finds of
Early Byzantine coins in Re~ica, Turjane, Rafuna
(Crkvena Livada site), Lipovica, Ora{ac (Padina site)
and Rujkovac (Vaskina Porta). These are coin finds
which can be dated to the period of the reigns of Justin
I and Justinian I. What is particularly indicative are the
finds of a solidus of Justin I in Re~ica and a tremissis
of Justinian I in Turjane.32 The cessation of coin circu-
lation in the second half of the 6th century in lowland
parts of the basin points to the fact that the population,
by and large, abandoned the valleys and retreated to
hilltop fortifications. This corresponds with the intensified
building of structures within the empty areas of
the city and porticos at Caricin Grad."
"Towards the end of the 4th century, as a result of
the barbarian invasions and their subsequent settling of
the region of northern Illyricum, significant socio-economic
turmoil started to occur, which was particularly
reflected in the changing roles of the settlements. Roman
lowland settlements gave way to new fortified settlements
on the dominant and well-guarded higher grounds
above the river valleys or in the mountainous regions."
"The anthropogeographic features of the area, the
economic resources in particular, played a significant
role in the settlement of the Leskovac basin. Most of
all, the river valleys stand out, the South Morava in particular,
as well as the Veternica, Jablanica, Pusta Reka
and Toplica, as being suitable for agricultural production
and wheat cultivation. It is worth remembering that
annona represented the foundation of the economy for
urban and rural populations.7 On the other hand, the
foot hills on the margins of the Leskovac basin were
suited to cattle breeding. Viticulture was also present as
one of the most important cultures of that time, judging
by the finds of stone winepresses from Vrbovac,8 in
the vicinity of Caricin Grad and grape seeds at Caricin
Grad. It is quite certain that in this area, as indicated by
the numerous remains of different kinds of grain and
fruit at Cari~in Grad, other agricultural produce was also
grown."(Late Roman Fortifications in the Leskovac Basin
in Relation to Urban Centers)
 
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Diphtongs,mostly

Italian e,South Italian ie,Latin e,Romanian ie


Lucanian pariende,Italian parente
Lucanian tiempe,Italian tempo
Puglian fierru,Italian ferro,Romanian fier
Puglian cientu,Italian cento
Lucanian cerviedd,Italian cervello
Calabrian nsiettu,Italian insetto
Calabrian giergu,italian gergo
Calabrian tiella,Italian teglia
Naploletan miereco,Italian medico
Napoletan miezzo,Italian mezzo,Romanian miez
Napoletan auciello,Italian uccello
Latin perire,Romanian pieri
Latin pectus,Romanian piept
Latin felem,Romanian fiere

EA

Napoletan currea,Romanian curea,Latin corrigia,belt

From Treppecore and Pulcinella
Abruzzese plaje,nudi pianori montani,Romanian plai,plateau.related to playa and so on
A. nemale,I animale,R namaie(cattle)
A carria, I trasportare,R cara,Latin carrare,from carrus,R carare=path,car-cart
A avemo,R avem,I abbiamo,we have
A ammistricari(to mix),R mistret(boar)


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The maritime route Brindisium-Dyrrachium was well-known,used ,for instance, by the Via Egnatia.Wikipedia\s Roman Roads map gives two main ways to Brindisium,from Rome,through Campania,and along the eastern coast,from,let's say,Abruzzo,while from Dyrrachium you could have gone either Constantinople,through Via Egnatia,or Lissus-Naissus-Danube.










"Pescara's first indicators of settlement date to 1500 BCE, but it is unknown which tribe first settled in the city.[2] It was conquered by the Romans in 214 BCE and remained "Aternum" after the city allied itself with Punic Carthaginian military commander Hannibal. The Romans developed the city and it became an important location for shipping and trade occurring between the Balkans and Rome; the Romans made the city of Pescara the capital of the Valeria region"(Province of Pescara)


"The importance of Pescara in the territory in which it is located, is measured in the strategic role that thecity has taken in economic and social relations with the neighboring territories. In particular: the relationship with the other cities of Abruzzo region, the relationship with Rome, the role in the Adriatic director, and the relationship with the Balkan side of the Adriatic."(Pescara partner profile)
"Aternum was a Roman town, on the site of Pescara, in Italy. Some historians refer to Aternum with the name of Ostia Aterni: in fact, the town was built at the mouth of the river Aternus. Aternum had an important role in Italian transport and it was connected to Rome through the Via Tiburtina, and its extension the Via Valeria. The city was an important port for trade with the Eastern provinces of the Empire; the seaport was supposedly also used for military purposes"



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Those ancient Abruzzese merchants didn\t stop at the Albanian shore,because a large part of the Roman army was expecting them at the Danube frontier.
Maybe these people were involved in certain seamantic shifts that took place in Romanian,
murg(red/dark-brown horse) and amurg*(dusk,twilight),from Latin amurca,I would say.

amurca f (genitive amurcae); first declension
The watery part that flows out in pressing olives
The lees or dregs of oil
Aragonese: morca
English: amurca
Italian: morchia
Portuguese: amurca
Spanish: amurca, morga, murga
"wo and a half million olive trees, more than a thousand farms, two thousands years of experience in the production of high quality olive oil: this is Sabina.
Our olive groves stretch over more than one thousand square kilometres of hilly countryside, from the heart of Central Italy to Rome, across oak forests, historical abbeys and medieval villages.
The vocation of Sabina for olive oil production is rooted not only in ancient traditions, but also in solid paedoclimatic conditions: clay and limestone soil, prevalence of southern exposure, altitudes ranging from 200 to 500 metres above sea level, a temperate Mediterranean climate, characterised by the absence of temperature peaks and drought limited to the summer period.
In this ideal habitat, the hands of man have selected a wide range of olive varieties, a valuable resource of biodiversity, that the product specification of Sabina PDO identifies as a key feature in the characterization of our olive oil."(Olio Extra Vergine Di Oliva.Sabina Dop)






"Museum of Olive Oil in Abruzzo – how is extra virgin olive oil made?
The “Museo dell’Olio” (Museum of Olive Oil) in Bucchianico (Chieti), which I visited recently, it is quite a unique and interesting place whether you are new to Abruzzo, a local or a seasoned Abruzzo lover.
I absolutely loved it, and not just because it was created and it is run by my dear friends at natural farm and winery Cantinarte. I genuinely think it’s a great place to visit, for tourists and locals alike, and why not, with classrooms and in study trips. Discovering the traditional, artisanal way of making olive oil will not just give you theoretical knowledge (and extra conversation points at dinner parties) but will also help you when it comes to buy olive oil for your consumption."


"The aim of the Olive Oil Museum is is to celebrate one of our region’s food treasures – Abruzzo olive oil – and to preserve the memory of traditional oil making tecniques. In fact, the Museum holds a precious relic of the bygone era when olive oil was made entirely by hand and without any electrical power involved: a giant wooden press from the XVIII sentury, used to extract the oil from the olive paste."
 
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However,the exclusive Romanian-Albanian shifts that took place within Latin originated along the Danube.The following change ,Latin paludem(swamp),Romanian padure/Albanian pyll(forest), occurred in this area,probably along the Sirmium-Singidunum-Viminacium line.








"Matasović lists some developments in Albanian that are readily familiar to Romanian speakers. Lexically there is, for example, the borrowing of Latin paludem ‘swamp’ with metathesis and shift to the meaning ‘forest’: Albanian pyll < *padule, Romanian pădure.
Should the Proto-Albanian Urheimat be located in Vojvodina or Slavonia instead, with southern Serbia as only a later point of Albanian expansion?"(Romanian-Albanian parallels and the location of the Proto-Albanian Urheimat)


"A reference to their early history lies in the poetic inscription of a grave in Lãžen (see above), part of which reads: Ipso immargebam caro florente marito in quartum decimumque annum ... 'I died at the age of 14, in the flowering of my precious manhood'. The meaning of the Latin mergo is "I sink," while in-mergo could be translated as "I dip, I dive". Yet, C. Daicoviciu is right in translating the text as "Mergeam în (pe) anul al 14-lea"*, i.e., "I departed at the age of 14." In this case we can pinpoint the locale of the change from
Lat. mergo "I sink > Dr. merge "goes, departs", Alb. mërgonj "I remove". The finding was made along the river Asamus, today Osãm, Southwest of Novae (Svištov) in Moesia Inferior. The process which led to the formation of the Rumanian language may have begun here. Indications of this process may be seen not only in the change of meaning in mergo; in immargebam the a in place of e may be an error but, more likely, it points to a very early a > ã** alteration (Alb. mërgonj). "(Gabor Vekony)


* Actually, the expression can also be typically translated "I was going on/towards my 14th year",
"a merge pe"="to go on(on=towards)(a year/age)
**in Romanian,a,e,i,o from Latin shifts to ã,some dialects have a form mãrg.
L capistrum,R cãpãstru,Lcontra ,R cãtrã
"Similarly to the Greek belief, the Romans would leave coins on the tombstones of their soldiers who died in combat.
According to an ancient Greek myth, souls of the deceased needed to pay Charon the ferryman a toll to cross over the underworld river Styx and then enter the afterlife. For that to happen, they would put coins in the mouths of the deceased.
"(The Origins Of Leaving Coins on Soldiers' Tombstones)






With that many people sinking in the Danube marshes,the Romans from these parts have realized that in Rome and Constantinople people party alot ,on their efforts,it appears that many of the soldiers were connected somehow to South Italy,so they became extremely jealous.
The local chiefs/commanders have understood that a big part of the Roman army was sitting next to them,the following step being autonomy-they didn't want to be Romans anymore,this term was suited for the peoples who spend alot of money on their backs,but "Dacians",Regalian was "Decebal's nephew",Galerius wanted to switch the name of the Empire into Dacian(=My Empire or The Empire of Where I Come From),leading Rome using thier own style,just like Sirmium's Valentinian,there were many emperors from those areas.




"Regalianus (260) was a Dacian, falsely pretended to be a descendant of Decebal"
"According to Lactantius, Galerius affirmed his Dacian identity and avowed himself the enemy of the Roman name once made emperor, even proposing that the empire should be called, not the Roman, but the Dacian Empire, much to the horror of the patricians and senators. He exhibited anti-Roman attitude as soon as he had attained the highest power, treating the Roman citizens with ruthless cruelty, like the conquerors treated the conquered, all in the name of the same treatment that the victorious Trajan had applied to the conquered Dacians, forefathers of Galerius, two centuries before."
 
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It's doubted that they are only one people. It's also extremely doubtful that they all sprang up from a small region of Albania, northern Greece, and FYROM. The total amounts of Vlach population is at least equal to all 3 of those countries put together.

It's likely that it does constitute a mix of Illyrians, Dacians, Thracians, and (official) Macedonians who were Romanized and likely were similar in appearance and culture from long before then.

Most Vlachs do have those haplogroups but when it goes to the northernmost points in Slovakia, Poland, Ukraine that descend from Transylvanian Vlachs, haplogroup R1a, I2a, and E-V13 are very dominant, but the J2 from other Vlach groups is more rare.
 
Autosomal STR markers maps from "Analiza genetica a
populatiilor umane de pe teritoriul Romaniei folosind markeri STR"




The genetic signature of the first map shows a wider(at least south of the Danube,
where it is also present very consistently in northern Serbia*,unlike the other maps)
distribution,with higher frequencies and density,suggesting an older origin.
In Romania it strongly resembles Dacia Traiana, while south of the Danube
it reminds of the Latin-speaking areas from the Balkans, during the Roman/Eastern Roman Empire.




*I'm sure that,if this set of genes is present in/near Novi Sad,there must be a further,
western,extension,which the map doesn't show it,into the traditional Serbian lands and beyond.


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The Romanians have plenty more Balkanic genes,
but the study offers a few locations for comparison from south of
the Danube,Serbia has only two(Novi Sad and Kosovo),the
rest of the countries,only one each.

The first map represents the Proto-Wallachians,starting with Gustav Weigand ,the linguists have recognized their speech until,at least ,the Mures river,while the Transylvanians,who had initially dwelled in the northern parts,according to scholars,can be connected with second and third ones.
 
Genetics offers not much of a help here,it was well -known that Early Wallachia had lands in Transylvania,like Tara Oltului,Amlas,Hateg and Severin-Banat,with the Mitropolia a Toata Ungro-Vlahia,which is the Bishopric of All Wallachia,extending into many parts of Ardeal.In The Wallachian speech we do have additionally Latin features like,for instance, the term ginere ,a husband,from generis,opposed to Northern Romanian mire, which is related to Albanian,the preterite ,preserved in the Wallachian core,and sounds that remained unchanged.If we take a look to our neighbors,south of the Danube,we understand why all these things took place.
 
Since brigandage is very disscused these days,why don't we see in the Romanian-Vlach communities the so spreaded clan version,as in S. Italians,Albanians,Greeks,Slavs or Caucasians? I mean,we oftenly spoke of their personal conflicts and revenges,many times within the same family,community,even when they are acting as a "group", they are doing it spontaneously,only for their leader,plenty of records from the Dalmatian coast,Bulgarian Empire,Byzantine Empire,and their own folk epics,in this respect. Extreme scarcity in a very concurential environment,as a background,possibly backuped by some cultural triggers,similarly to Ver Sacrum,for instance.

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The most likely reason for this change is the early Slavic pressure.
 
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During that Early Middle Ages,the Vlachs and Bulgarians,although very distinct,they all choosed to follow only the Kaloyan's lion.
 
Let's just say that,as a Western Wallachian-based,you realize very quickly that Romanian wasn't a language spoken on narrow spaces.
It structurally shares the vowel system with certain dialects from Basilicata, the Picerno-Potenza-Castelmezzano area,these are conservative traits,in remote mountainous regions,which led to the conclusion that the entire South Italy went through a "Romanian" phase,since we are literally talking about a section of/near the Appian Way,Giuliano Bonfante spreads it through out whole Italy.
The road was particularly used by the Roman army to reach the Danube ,via Dyrrachium-Lissus,Ulpiana and Naissus,through the Drin and Morava valleys.
 
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Romanian and Albanian zana,a fairy,comes 100% from the Latin Diana,because the first also has zanatic,a lunatic,which is inherited from dianaticus,ultimately from The Goddess of the Moon(not Selene-Luna),the moon,just like its meaning
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Despite of her connection with the moon,Diana was a very lively girl,as the "virgin goddess of childbirth and women".
Further evidence that she was not melancholical,comes from the fact that "she swore never to marry", we definitely have the case when she plays the impossible one,stregthen by the fact that she loved independence,by being in the middle of the nature,hunting,living near wild animals.
What was the antidote?Her favourite,to become dianaticus.
 
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About the important role of the woman in the Vlach society clearly speaks this Romanian semantic change,femeie comes from Latin familia,which is the traditional view as household keepers.
Since the Romanians-Vlachs had a primarily pastoral and military character,women got more and more initiative back home,we do have,for instance, the legend of the Moldavian Vrancioaia,that leads her sons to gather an army for Steven the Great,which changes the faith of a battle against the Turks,women hajduks and heroesses are well known across Wallachia and Moldavia.
Nevertheless,the gender differences are well defined,these women were very feminine and,as the semantic change proves,proned to raise natality.
http://www.farsarotul.org/nl28_3.htm


http://www.ancient-origins.net/news...lets-reveal-high-status-illyrian-women-002032


https://dc.edu.au/ancient-history-pompeii-herculaneum/
 
We find similar terms to Romanian insura,to marry a woman,throughout the whole Southern Italy:
https://books.google.ro/books?id=sZ...AKHQqOCRkQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=nzurar&f=false
Another interesting thing in Pompeii is the occurrence of the word lucrum,profit,which in Romanian(lucru) switched its meaning,"to work".
It testifies both the strong links between the Balkans and Southern Italy, DURING THE ROMAN ERA,and the importance of the commercial activities in the Romanian society.
http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin_Vulgar/Texts/Pompeii_Graffiti.html
https://sites.google.com/site/ad79eruption/pompeii/regio-vii/reg-vii-ins-1/house-of-siricus
 
The origin of Vlachs from outside Romania can be actually Romania.
Roman Empire occupied a part of Dacia and in about 271 AD retired.
A part of the people from this province retired also,South of Danube.
Most Romanians which are bearing I2-din are bearing the North Variant of I2-din, I2-din North, which is similar to I2-din from Ukrainians,Poles,Russians etc.
Yugos are bearing I2-din South variant.
So, some genetic testing of Aromouns/Vlachs which came from South of Danube can show if they migrated from Romania south of Danube and returned back after, or if they originate in Balkanic peninsula.
http://i2aproject.blogspot.ro/2016/08/link-to-i-l621-tree-showing-major-str_22.html

Romanians have 4-5% I1, 1-2% I2b1,R1A 18% which are not found in Aromouns/Vlachs.
But these paternal lines very likely came with Slavs and East Germanics,so, there is a possibility that Aromouns came from Romania South of Danube in about 271 AD.
 
Some of the last links can appear as disrespectful towards the Greek people.
It can't be the case, since Greeks were people, with alot of important background,they were brave,intelligent,etc.,many,probably more than 300.
In the 6th c.AD,they thought they have a chance in the Latin parts of Illyricum,but the prefect of Constantinople ,Ioannes,complained that "the inhabitants of the Balkan provinces spoke Romanian and did not understand Greek".
http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/dunay/dunay02.htm
Justinian's uncle,Justin I, was a Latin speaker,he barley understood few Greek words.
In Illyricum we have the center called Justiniana Prima,for the Latin speakers,and Thessaloniki,for Greek people.
 
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Let's discuss a bit about some interesting placenames from the Procopius' list that are labelled Italian or Italic,like,for instance,Braeola,which is recorded twice in the Aquae-Timachum area.
We have Monte Braiola in Central Italy,but what makes things even more interesting is the existence of a surrounding area called Padule di Braiola.
The geography of those regions is consistently formed by some swamp-forests who strikingly resemble the landscape along the Lower Danube,while the places are called the same ,padule.
This term is directly related to Romanian padure(the rhotacized form of padule),who, not only that changes,thorough metathesis,but also receives a new meaning,after all,Latin paludem meant swamp;so we have this clear connection between swamps and forests,people didn't recognized the patterns anymore,they didn't know how to call them.
In the Danube frontier,the forest-swamps were very used by the soldiers in ambushing,defending or regrouping,since in the swamps-swamps was not that much of a activity,with no Rambo around,which definitely explains the whole situation.
These two Braeola are grouped with Septecasae,Seven Houses,surely a Romanian term,Wallachian dialectal septe,7,and Florentiana,a placename that still survives(along with others, like Augusta-Ogosta,Almus-Lom,Timachus-Timok ,Archar-Ratiaria,Alexandru Madgearu says),it is the Bulgarian village Florentin.
These Italian-Romanian connections are indeed close,but what about the geography,can we still involve the Adriatic here?

https://books.google.ro/books?id=3J...page&q=procopius italian ring braiola&f=false

https://montiliguri.weebly.com/monte-braiola.html

https://www.christopherculver.com/l...rallels-location-proto-albanian-urheimat.html

http://visit.guide-bulgaria.com/a/631/florentiana_fortress.htm

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Procopius/Buildings/4B*.html
 
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It's crazy how much Albanians and Romanians have in common and it's obvious that the 2 peoples lived in such close proximity but later got more and more apart as both lost territories and part of their people to Slavic assimilation.
 
It's crazy how much Albanians and Romanians have in common and it's obvious that the 2 peoples lived in such close proximity but later got more and more apart as both lost territories and part of their people to Slavic assimilation.

Latin speaking ancestors of Romanians came to modern Romania from Bulgaria and southern Balkans in period from 12th to 14th century.
Before 12th century there was no Latin speaking people in territory of modern Romania, in present day Romania in middle age majoriry of populations were Slavs, but also Hungarians, Avars Saxons, Cumans, Tatars and Pechenegs were present.

Latin speakers who came to Wallachian plain from areas south of Danube in 12-14th century were assimilated local Slavs, and from that mix was created Vlacho-Romanian nation.
Modern Romanians have around 45% Slavic Y DNA (I2a 27%, R1a 18%), real Vlach haplogroups are eastern R1b, J2b and E-V13.
The purest Vlachs are Vlachs from southern Balkans (Aromanians), they have much less Slavic influence than Romanians which has heavy Slavic influence.

Romanian language until mid of 19th century was more Slavic than Latin, even today there is around 20% Slavic words in Romanian language.

There is a hundreds of Slavic toponyms in Romania today, and in the past even more.
 

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