Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

[Yetos]

It is the second time you call me in this way. Can you speak clearly? What is your problem? I am member of this forum from 2 weeks and i have read everything posted in this forum about Albania and Albanians in the last 2-3 years. I have read many of your posts and i can tell you that your writing style shows that you have serious problems with your mental health. I have read this your post:

According to this post you have an age between 40-50 years old. Is it normal for a person of your age to behave in this way?

P.S.
I am not a girl, i am a men. You probably confuse me with someone else.

are trying to find who I am?
or you are trying to psychoanalyze me?

the one who should be ashamed is else,
search who,

besides your post #380 at Eupedia about the Future of Greece
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/31367-Future-of-Greece/page16?highlight=bayern

shows EXACTLY YOUR MOTIVES AND YOUR MENTAL HEALTH

 

[Boreas]

the same is in USA and RUSSIA, not me,
I am not the police of the world,
USA AND RUSSIA WANTS TO PLAY THAT ROLLE

I agree about they should take more Syrian but you can not go out on the water, such as olive oil. EU should also need to take responbility and also Greece. Of course, Turkey should take more as a border country.

so they destroy the middle East and North Africa, they must accept the results of their done
Neither Greece, Neither EU invade Afganistan,

Did you say something? Do I need to continue with France, UK and Italy effect in Libya Operation?

Boreas, I am Proud, I do not feel shame for the actions of others who should be shamed

Your perspective is like people who keep silence in Luthers speech.

You want to isolate EU from this problem and prefer silence. This is shame

PS
Aren't you ashamed for the support that Erdogan gave to DAESH?
or you feel proud cause he helped Islam's Holy saints against Maronites and Yezidi non Muslim?

? WTF

I am considering it as a weak self defense and trying to change issue, so I won't give a respond.

 

[Yetos]

I agree about they should take more Syrian but you can not go out on the water, such as olive oil. EU should also need to take responbility and also Greece. Of course, Turkey should take more as a border country.



Did you say something? Do I need to continue with France, UK and Italy effect in Libya Operation?

Your perspective is like people who keep silence in Luthers speech.

You want to isolate EU from this problem and prefer silence. This is shame


? WTF

I am considering it as a weak self defense and trying to change issue, so I won't give a respond.

I agree about Kantafi and Libya,

as in Iraq, in Libya there were 2 operations against him,
after the first bombing of his palace he was no more the same,
but not Afganistan Iraq and Syrria

anyway,
I find it good enough to stop the existance of life time presidents,
BUT AT 1950-80s HOW MANY DICTATORS EXISTED AT WEST?
from south America to Europe?
why there was not such a reaction? have you ever wonder?
I think it is time to restore the emptyness

 

[Tomenable]

True heroes are people who help people where they are - for example help Africans in Africa.

NOT the ones who "brain-drain" the 3rd World by inviting somehow poor "refugees", but still the better-off part of its population.

This YouTuber gets an immediate subscription from me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDdXYYLoygM

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fight-for-the-forgotten#/story

He went to Congo to live with Mbuti Pygmies and to help them, you see.

And this is what he did for just 50,000 dollars (not so much for an upper-middle class American, I guess):

$50,000 sounds like a lot but it will do more than you could possibly imagine!

What 50k will do:

• 1,000 Slaves Set FREE (Men, Women, & Children)
• 300 Acres of Rainforest Protected
• School Built
• Teacher & Headmaster Paid
• Wildlife saved from poaching
• Pygmy Culture cultivated
• Water Well freshly flowing
• Corn and beans started growing
• Sustainable way of life begun

 

[Tomenable]

He liberated one thousand Pygmies from Bantu slavery, to start with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rImFvsHjlY0

 

[LeBrok]

True heroes are people who help people where they are - for example help Africans in Africa.

NOT the ones who "brain-drain" the 3rd World by inviting somehow poor "refugees", but still the better-off part of its population.

This YouTuber gets an immediate subscription from me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDdXYYLoygM

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fight-for-the-forgotten#/story

He went to Congo to live with Mbuti Pygmies and to help them, you see.

And this is what he did for just 50,000 dollars (not so much for an upper-middle class American, I guess):

Wait a minute. So white people can travel and live wherever they want, use human rights freedoms, but black people from Africa can't? Are we talking about new class division of the world? I like the story all right, and I agree that it is better to help people where they live, but I'm not sure about your conclusions about that some people travel freely and some can't.

 

[epoch]

http://news.sky.com/story/1551853/sky-finds-handbook-for-eu-bound-migrants

Organisations that lure people to Europe. You know, the ones that caused the drowning of that Kurdish kid. Oddly enough they don't go to jail.

 

[Tomenable]

Wait a minute. So white people can travel and live wherever they want, use human rights freedoms, but black people from Africa can't?

Black people can't? Why do you think so? All evidence shows they can.

 

[Tomenable]

Gregor Gysi from "Die Linke" explains why Germany must accept refugees (tell me it's not real!):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Gysi

And here it starts!:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ExhrNqrDi8#t=272

 

[LABERIA]

The problem with immigrant crisis is not the influx which is now in Europe. These are only the aperitif. There are 6 million refugees in Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, etc, which are believed to be departing during 2016 in the same itinerary. According to some analysts, especially now after the engagement of Russia in the conflict in the region during the next 10 years we will have a number of refugees that goes up to 100 million.

 

[LeBrok]

Black people can't? Why do you think so? All evidence shows they can.

You mean these black villagers Pygmies can get visa to US? They would need to demonstrate thousands of dollars on their Bank account, as one of requirements.
Anyway, the point was that in your example, this white man can travel freely there and probably stay there indefinitely, if he desires so. On other hand these black locals won't be allowed to do so in US or Europe.

 

[bicicleur 2]

Wait a minute. So white people can travel and live wherever they want, use human rights freedoms, but black people from Africa can't? Are we talking about new class division of the world? I like the story all right, and I agree that it is better to help people where they live, but I'm not sure about your conclusions about that some people travel freely and some can't.

people who come to spend their money are wellcome everywhere

why turn this in a black and white issue ?

 

[LeBrok]

The problem with immigrant crisis is not the influx which is now in Europe. These are only the aperitif. There are 6 million refugees in Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, etc, which are believed to be departing during 2016 in the same itinerary. According to some analysts, especially now after the engagement of Russia in the conflict in the region during the next 10 years we will have a number of refugees that goes up to 100 million.

It is never going to happen, because most people rather stay in their country, culture, religion and countrymen in general. Most of these refugees don't have money for such trip or are afraid of their families and kids. Pretty much whoever could afford and wanted pretty much already left.
Having said that, depending how this conflict unfolds we might see more displaced people. If it quiets down or stay the same we will see fewer.
If Europe don't want to see more refugees from Syria, it is imperative to make sure they have a good life in refugee camps/housing, and make sure ISIS is finished soon.

Russia definitely is doing something that Putin considers positive for Russia or his interest. What it is we can only speculate. Is he going to just support Assad (his client for military and industrial goods), at the same time securing Russian influence in the Middle East, and improving his ratings for next election? How is he going to react to Kurdish issue, when Kurds are pro-western and potential a NATO member? He might cooperate with PKK against Turkey potentially. He might have a goal to destabilize Middle East to bring oil prices back to 100 bucks per barrel, without which Russia will go into a deep recession in a year or two, and this would make Russians unhappy and end his presidency.

 

[LeBrok]

people who come to spend their money are wellcome everywhere

why turn this in a black and white issue ?

This is also issue of money. People with money are more free in this world than people without. And it is not only about freedom of buying an airplane ticket, it is about limitation of rights. You have money you will get visa at your wish, if you are poor you will never get one.

 

[Yetos]

ΟΚ

some here still believe in fairy tales?

lets see these photo

AN INFO GUIDE FOR REFUGGEES AND MIGRANTS

Photos and infos about the islands

a small lexicon with what dialogues a migrant should know

Location of camps
Notice where they put AthensTHE ABOVE IS THE ENGLISH VERSION
NOW LETS SEE ALSO THE ARABIC VERSION,
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sky-finds-handbook-eu-bound-migrants-171803766.html#qaUrR7k

I suggest to see the videowhat is interesting?Among those behind the booklet is an organisation called w2eu, which means 'Welcome To Europe
phone numbers to ask for help when have problemor lostInteresting don't you think?AND EU (including my country) IS JUST WATCHING TRAFFICKERS CARRY HUMANBEINGSor is prepaired to start shooting

even the winds and the water temperature monthly conditions
come on

some of them do not come due to war,
THEY COME THANKS TO PROMISE GIVEN BY SOME ORGANISATIONS

 

[LeBrok]

ΟΚ

some here still believe in fairy tales?

lets see these photo




AN INFO GUIDE FOR REFUGGEES AND MIGRANTS





Photos and infos about the islands





a small lexicon with what dialogues a migrant should know




Location of camps
Notice where they put AthensTHE ABOVE IS THE ENGLISH VERSION
NOW LETS SEE ALSO THE ARABIC VERSION,
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sky-finds-handbook-eu-bound-migrants-171803766.html#qaUrR7k

I suggest to see the videowhat is interesting?Among those behind the booklet is an organisation called w2eu, which means 'Welcome To Europe
phone numbers to ask for help when have problemor lostInteresting don't you think?AND EU (including my country) IS JUST WATCHING TRAFFICKERS CARRY HUMANBEINGSor is prepaired to start shooting

even the winds and the water temperature monthly conditions

Great booklet, fewer people will die lost in sea or from hunger.
come on

some of them do not come due to war,
THEY COME THANKS TO PROMISE GIVEN BY SOME ORGANISATIONS

I'm sure Turks can see the booklet too and Jordanians. Are they coming too in great numbers? No?
You have your answer. Majority of Syrians come due to the war.

 

[Taranis]

The problem with immigrant crisis is not the influx which is now in Europe. These are only the aperitif. There are 6 million refugees in Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, etc, which are believed to be departing during 2016 in the same itinerary. According to some analysts, especially now after the engagement of Russia in the conflict in the region during the next 10 years we will have a number of refugees that goes up to 100 million.

That's completely ridiculous. There's not even 100 million people living in that region (the entire Mashriq, that is the Levante plus Mesopotamia, and I'm counting in Israel and the Palestinian territories). Even if Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank were to completely empty tomorrow, that wouldn't be 100 million people. Get real.

 

[LABERIA]

That's completely ridiculous. There's not even 100 million people living in that region (the entire Mashriq, that is the Levante plus Mesopotamia, and I'm counting in Israel and the Palestinian territories). Even if Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Gaza and the West Bank were to completely empty tomorrow, that wouldn't be 100 million people. Get real.

Well, you need to start to read. It`s the best way to fight ignorance.

 

[Yetos]

Great booklet, fewer people will die lost in sea or from hunger.
come on

I'm sure Turks can see the booklet too and Jordanians. Are they coming too in great numbers? No?
You have your answer. Majority of Syrians come do to the war.

do not mix things,


1) Turkey is a member of G20 meaning among the 20 strongest of world,
the second biggest Turkish city after Con/polis is Berlin
the second langauge in many EU countries is Turkish,

2) what is so strange that you want to reduce my words,
I SAID SOME OF THEM DO NOT COME DUE TO WAR
BUT DUE TO PROMISES,
even in my country there people who are searching for worker, saying that Germany or Holland is the promise land,
and when you go, they put you to work 12 hours and hold % of your salary,
HAVE YOU ANY IDEA HOW MANY ENTER THE TRAP?

there is a good old movie, 'Time of the Gypsies' shot in ex-Yugoslavia,
among many it describes how the immigration system works
by the promisher, the trafficker, the job manager, and the boss,
what changed? the location
SOME STILL FISHING WORKERS BY PROMISING EVEN AT REFYGGEE CAMPS

 

[Taranis]

do not mix things,


1) Turkey is a member of G20 meaning among the 20 strongest of world,
the second biggest Turkish city after Con/polis is Berlin
the second langauge in many EU countries is Turkish,

Jesus, where you do you folks dig up these fishy numbers? That's an urban legend from the 1990s. The second biggest Turkish city after Istanbul is Ankara (the capital city of modern Turkey), which, who might have guessed that, has more people than Berlin. What is accurate is that Berlin has one of the largest Turkish communities outside of the Republic of Turkey (perhaps the largest in Europe, yes), but there's dozens of cities in Turkey that have more inhabitants than Berlin has Turks. Unless you're going to tell us that 99% of Ankara's inhabitants are Kurds. As for the second-most spoken language in Germany, apart from English and French (which most people know as second or third language), my guess would be that the most commonly-spoken language in Germany is actually Russian.