Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

Where did haplogroup T first originate ( 2nd Poll with Expanded options )

  • Turan Lowland - Kazakh Uplands - Southern Urals ( Central Asia )

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • East European Plain - Northern Black Sea - Caspian Lowland ( East Europe )

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • Around the Alpide belt ( West Asia )

    Votes: 16 59.3%

  • Around the Alpide belt ( Himalayas )

    Votes: 5 18.5%
  • Total voters
    27
T - The Y-DNA Haplogroup T (former K2) Project- Background
Administrators
Gareth Henson [email protected] , Group Administrator
[email protected] , Group Co-Administrator
[email protected] , Group Co-Administrator
Hovann Simonian [email protected] , Group Co-Administrator
Peter Hrechdakian [email protected] , Group Co-Administrator
Background
** IMPORTANT MESSAGE APRIL 2014. FOLLOWING THE RELEASE OF THE NEW FTDNA/GENOGRAPHIC HAPLOGROUP TREE THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF NEW SNPS AVAILABLE FOR ORDERING INDIVIDUALLY. FOR GUIDANCE ON WHICH SNP(S) TO ORDER PLEASE FIND YOUR KIT NUMBER ON THE Y-DNA RESULTS PAGE AND LOOK AT THE DESCRIPTION FOR YOUR GROUP. IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF WHICH SNP TO ORDER PLEASE CONTACT THE GROUP ADMINISTRATORS. **


This project welcomes anyone who has been predicted or SNP-tested as Y-Haplogroup T.
Haplogroup T (known as Haplogroup K2 until May 2008) is defined by SNP M184 and is found at low frequencies in the Middle East, Europe and North Africa. Most lines in T belong to subgroup T1a defined by SNP M70 which until March 2011 was considered equivalent to M184.
T1a in turn splits into T1a1 (T-L162), T1a2 (T-L131) and T1a3 (T-L1255).
T1a1 clusters along an east-west axis from Iran to Spain. T1a2 is found both in northern Europe and southern Africa but is rarer in the eastern and western edges of T's distribution zone. To date, T1a3 has only been found in Kuwait.

Recent developments including the Geno 2.0 chip have identified the following major subgroups of T1a:

T-L208 (T1a1a* on the current ISOGG tree http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpT.html)
T-Z709 (T1a1a1*)
T-P77 (T1a1a1a)
T-P322 (T1a2a)
T-L446 (T1a2b)
Most lineages in T will belong to one of these 5 branches. The first two are strictly speaking paragroups and may split into several branches when more data is available.

Thomas Jefferson is believed to have belonged to haplogroup T, based on tests carried out on individuals sharing his paternal line.
For more information on T and the Jefferson family link see:
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/114108057/ABSTRACT
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6332545
 
Gedalyah said:
West Asia or Near East not north of the Alpine Belt. Spencer Wells, the geneticist that heads the Genographic Project in search of the scientific "Adam"In the film, Spencer Wells indicated that Thomas Jefferson's Y-Chromosome was "Phoenician", Read more: The National Geographic study "Who were the Phoenicians," revealed that Thomas Jefferson, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States belonged to Y-chromosome Haplogroup K2. The quote from Wells that follows is the scientific explanation of what was discovered in studying Jefferson's DNA.
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you have mis read it.................it is not alpine belt

it is alpide belt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpide_belt
 
Gedalyah said:
This branch of T has its roots in North Africa and has travelled into Spain and up the Atlantic coast to Britain and Ireland. President Thomas Jefferson's paternal line probably belongs to this group. Feel free to contact Gareth Henson
Administrator, Y-DNA Haplogroup T Project.
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Thomas Jefferson line arrived in egypt ~9000BC form the northern Levant ...............then went to Spain and then Wales
 
Gedalyah said:
Issa clan in Somalia has over 80% T-M184 the most in the world and we aren't talking about test sample sizes of 2 people or a small hand full.
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Issa clan or do you mean the DIR clan which originates on the border of ethiopia and somali
 
Gedalyah said:
is the view of Gareth Henson, administrator of the Haplogroup T project at FTDNA: "I think both T and L originated in the Iraq/Iran region but whereas the branches of L all went in different directions I don't see a similar pattern for T. The main groups are T1a and T1b. Both seem to have spread out together, but T1a shows more variation."
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He said to me , less than a month ago

the most recent common ancestor of T1 and T2 was a single individual and he might have lived in Azerbaijan, or Bhutan, or somewhere in between, or somewhere a bit further south or west, but I doubt if he or his sons and grandsons travelled very far from the region where they were born. As far as we can tell, after 10000 years only 3 of their descendant lines had survived (two from T1 and one from T2). So we will never know how many branches of T came into existence and then died out in those 10000 years, or how far they spread.
 
Gedalyah said:
During the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age haplogroup T would have been an important (though probably not dominant) lineage among ancient peoples such as Sumerians, the Babylonians and the Assyrians.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml 2016 updated
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there has been found 2 x T1a ydna ancient samples 7000 years old

Haplogroup T1a (PF5604) has been found in two out of two 7500–6800 ybp individuals from Karsdorf, Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany. Both T1a skeletal remains belong to the Linienbandkeramische Kultur. T1a from Karsdorf constitutes 22.2% of all ancient samples between 7500 and 6800 ybp in Germany. The remainder belong to other clades: 22.2% are H2 carriers from Derenburg, and the remaining 55.6% are G2a bearers from Halberstadt and Derenburg. These ancient specimens' mtDNA haplogroups have been found to be H1*/H1au1b and H46b. Their autosomal ancestral components also consist of around 70% Western European Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) and 30% Basal Eurasian.[11]

The Karsdorf site is located in the valley of Unstrut, Burgenlandkreis, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany. The slope on which Karsdorf sits is characterized by alluvial loess. The place itself was settled intensively since the earliest phase of the Linear Pottery culture (LBK) in the region.


If they are in Germany in this period of time , then where did they come from?
 
Gedalyah said:
During the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age haplogroup T would have been an important (though probably not dominant) lineage among ancient peoples such as Sumerians, the Babylonians and the Assyrians.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml 2016 updated
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old info .........

I also suggest you ignore any ftdna or 23andme or natgeno , ancestry etc etc, as they are using data of modern people and that alone tells us nothing of the history of that marker or any other marker.
 
maP european ancient tribes and y dna.jpg 7000 ad

vv4jBZR.jpgMap Of Ancient European Tribes and Y-DNA 7000 BC
 
Gedalyah said:
Haplogroup
T, FTDNA BENNET GREENSPAN Today is Jewish
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I do not see what this video is about

Maybe you are in the religious theory of DNA, so here is a link
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https://books.google.com.au/books?i...08Q6AEIaDAJ#v=onepage&q=LT haplogroup&f=false


Madai, falls into the area where Gareth Henson and the T project people sate as a possible begininng of T after slitting from LT group
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Noahsworld_map_Version2.png

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but every T ydna has this marker , see below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_LT

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This marker as per GeneticAtlas in 2010 states its origins in the Sind valley of North India

One should also have this marker which is prior to LT , see below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M9

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T haplogroup was once called K2

now it is called K1 , because it is older

so K1a = L haplogroup
and
K1b = T haplogroup
 
Y-DNA haplogroup K-M9 is an old lineage that arose approximately 47,000 years ago, probably in South Asia or West Asia not North.

The basal paragroup K* is exceptionally rare, although it has been reported at low frequencies in various parts of Eurasia, Oceania and Africa.
 
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