Where do Medieval Italian samples from Antonio et al. 2019 come from?

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Using the Dodecad K12b data provided by Jovialis's Ancient Rome Test v1.0, I ran each Medieval sample separately against modern populations. As Angela pointed out, many of the skeletons from the Latium region that were tested may have been pilgrims from other parts of Italy or Europe. This should provide better insight for the personal matches of anyone who uses the genetic distance calculator. I have listed the samples by burial location.

Palazzo della Cancelleria, central Rome (771-1411 calCE)

Those samples are very heterogeneous in origin and none seem to be local. R1219 looks Austrian, R1220 may come from Southeast France or the Alps, R1221 and R1224 from Aosta Valley, R1283 from the Marche, R1285 and R1287 from Corsica, Tuscany or Romagna, R1285 and R1286 from Germany, R1288 might be from modern Belgium, and R1289 from northern Spain.

Distance to:R1219_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.84970056German
10.01800878Bosnian
10.13850088Hungarians
11.50648513Mixed_Germanic

Distance to:R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.04748586Italy_Aosta_Valley
9.75453536Italy_Trentino
10.13612352French
10.41686613French
10.79907015Italy_FriuliVG

Distance to:R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
4.64912579Italy_Aosta_Valley
6.95658106Italy_Trentino
7.90496758Swiss_Italian
8.53031893Italy_Piedmont
8.58839543Italy_FriuliVG

Distance to:R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
4.24054059Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.26176700Italy_Trentino
8.26022472Swiss_Italian
9.49466166French
9.70334478French

Distance to:R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
2.87198851Italy_Marche
4.18285716Italy_Lazio
4.48059148Italy_Romagna
6.91392002Italy_Tuscany

Distance to:R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
4.95855987France_Corsica
5.72900515Italy_Romagna
5.73295543Italy_Marche
6.52601027Italy_Tuscany

Distance to:R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
3.95170849German
5.49035518Mixed_Germanic
6.10737259Dutch

Distance to:R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
4.49812139France_Corsica
4.96607873Italy_Marche
5.31727374Italy_Romagna
6.44594865Italy_Lazio
6.54767058Italy_Tuscany

Distance to:R1288_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.79032991Mixed_Germanic
9.14831132French
9.25266988German
9.48304276French
9.75376338Dutch

Distance to:R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.07975393Galicia
5.33575674Baleares
6.34399716Cataluna
6.67958831Extremadura
7.09184743Spaniards

Villa Magna (820-1430 CE) in Anagni (Frosinone)

In contrast to the Cancelleria, most samples here appear to be local or South Italian. The exceptions are R55 and R61 (both North Italian), R62 (French/Belgian), and R63 (Spanish).

Distance to:R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.92471681Italy_Abruzzo
4.93031297Italy_Campania
6.18603791Italy_Sicily
6.22434237Italy_Marche

Distance to:R53___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.15041274Italy_Calabria
3.51527325Italy_Campania
4.07746796Italy_Sicily
4.36937066Greek_Crete

Distance to:R54___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.52721698Italy_Abruzzo
2.61053788Italy_Apulia
3.75606789Italy_Campania
3.91256502Italy_Sicily

Distance to:R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.29520807Italy_Piedmont
2.87308736Italy_Veneto
2.87533233Italy_FriuliVG
4.77416171Italy_Trentino

Distance to:R56___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.25696832Italy_Campania
3.44506251Italy_Abruzzo
3.51524181Italy_Sicily
4.83193995Italy_Calabria

Distance to:R57___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.70661252Italy_Abruzzo
11.03871677Italy_Apulia
11.78143879Greek
11.98106694Italy_Sicily
11.99134796Italy_Campania

Distance to:R58___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.41588144Italy_Campania
4.75263800Italy_Apulia
4.96906024Italy_Abruzzo
5.34821138Italy_Sicily
5.46218015Italy_Calabria

Distance to:R59___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.72085286Italy_Campania
4.38579362Italy_Abruzzo
4.68549549Italy_Apulia
5.05756513Italy_Sicily

Distance to:R60___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.05517053Italy_Apulia
4.43348482Italy_Abruzzo
5.18685107Italy_Lazio
6.09799295Italy_Marche

Distance to:R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.24222877Italy_Trentino
6.74439441Italy_FriuliVG
6.96378579Swiss_Italian
7.79813033Italy_Aosta_Valley

Distance to:R62___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.76040524French
8.84359655Mixed_Germanic
9.22279784French
10.40246125German
10.65894929Dutch

Distance to:R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.79568805Galicia
6.83400322Baleares
7.74857406Extremadura
7.75888523Portuguese

Distance to:R64___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.94673853Italy_Sicily
4.12297053Italy_Campania
4.22461876Italy_Abruzzo
4.40196184Italy_Apulia

Distance to:R65___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
1.57936886Italy_Campania
3.26591345Italy_Calabria
3.46294744Italy_Sicily
4.43626867Italy_Abruzzo
4.94872186Italy_Apulia

Distance to:R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.11799546Italy_Abruzzo
3.66645142Italy_Campania
4.80833734Italy_Apulia
5.40362887Italy_Sicily


Tivoli Palazzo Cianti(1600-1700 CE)

All samples appear to be relatively local.

Distance to:R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.00665172Italy_Marche
4.09387954Italy_Abruzzo
4.14478033Italy_Lazio
5.55050881Italy_Apulia

Distance to:R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.45594025Italy_Lazio
5.66019272Italy_Abruzzo
6.13176304Italy_Marche
6.92250590Italy_Apulia

Distance to:R973__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
1.58242335Italy_Abruzzo
2.75668750Italy_Campania
3.45154284Italy_Apulia
3.51985014Italy_Sicily
 
Here are now the samples for the Late Antiquity.


Mausoleum of Augustus, Rome (300-700 CE)

Very mixed. One German, one North Italian, one Calabrian, one Sicilian and one Jew.

Distance to:R30___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
3.97577175Italy_Calabria
6.01773213Sephardic_Jews
6.37718943Italy_Sicily
6.43644203Italy_Campania
6.67999251Greek_Crete

Distance to:R31___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.19241755German
5.93676680Mixed_Germanic
6.03682036Dutch

Distance to:R32___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.19178205Italy_Sicily
6.71056525Italy_Campania
6.96393062Italy_Abruzzo
7.22982165Italy_Calabria

Distance to:R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
2.98170029Italy_Veneto
4.01654299Italy_Lombardy
4.11704240Italy_Piedmont
4.61137897Italy_FriuliVG
4.63166321Italy_Liguria
5.08936268Swiss_Italian

Distance to:R34___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
4.68439964Sephardic_Jews
5.40817899Greek_Crete
7.04337791Italy_Calabria
7.63757160Ashkenazy_Jews


Crypta Balbi, Rome (400-600 CE)

Four out of seven samples are North Italians. One appears West German or Belgian. One from Abruzzo/Campania. R104 doesn't match any modern population but is closest to population with high European Neolithic Farmer ancestry.

Distance to:R104__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
13.32309273Sardinian
17.44959025Andalucia
18.88248924Murcia

Distance to:R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.18126337Italy_Piedmont
5.85537531Italy_Trentino
6.00541827Italy_Aosta_Valley
6.03021194Italy_FriuliVG
6.03941873Italy_Veneto

Distance to:R106__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.86028397Mixed_Germanic
10.24173813German
11.79750821Dutch
11.91622004French

Distance to:R107__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.46984823Italy_Abruzzo
5.80777978Italy_Campania
6.29398824Italy_Apulia
6.79053054Italy_Sicily

Distance to:R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.17376279Italy_Aosta_Valley
7.44007124Italy_Trentino
8.15129536Italy_FriuliVG
9.07077794Swiss_Italian

Distance to:R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.83398785Italy_Aosta_Valley
6.22388243Swiss_Italian
6.50759556Italy_Trentino
8.28935716Italy_Piedmont

Distance to:R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.16933976Italy_Lombardy
5.22525239Swiss_Italian
5.84723782Italy_Piedmont
6.07875337Italy_Aosta_Valley
6.56645110Italy_Trentino


Celio, Rome (400-600 CE)

One local from Lazio and one South Italian.

Distance to:R35___Late_Antiquity_Celio
2.78705669Italy_Sicily
3.25545174Italy_Campania
4.33982864Italy_Calabria
4.38907504Italy_Abruzzo

Distance to:R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
2.67098933Italy_Lazio
2.88050343Italy_Romagna
3.12280611Italy_Marche

S. Ercolano Necropolis, Ostia (400-600 CE)

All from Lazio, Marche, Abruzzo or Campania.

Distance to:R117__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.56126364Italy_Campania
5.08336945Italy_Sicily
5.09341415Italy_Abruzzo
6.27776433Italy_Calabria

Distance to:R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.05516350Italy_Marche
6.39966984Italy_Lazio
7.09165002Italy_Romagna

Distance to:R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
2.72502807Italy_Marche
3.86621831Italy_Lazio
4.25041174Italy_Romagna

Distance to:R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.87610681Italy_Lazio
3.97489115Italy_Abruzzo
4.50175943Italy_Marche
5.13760917Italy_Apulia

Distance to:R122__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
2.95552127Italy_Campania
3.40354781Italy_Abruzzo
3.44436133Italy_Sicily
5.26539754Italy_Calabria
 
All of the samples to which I get reasonable hits are the ones which could be labeled Central Italian(possibly mostly "local") or Northern Italian, so it all makes sense.

Distance to:Angela
6.16793320R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.20598904R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.88215809R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.01179227R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.10498215R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
9.25520934R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
9.40529638R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.46954592R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.61917356R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.80181106R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
9.85873217R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.29759195R118__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.76144972R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
10.89582948R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
10.91793937R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
11.16737659R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.21531542R113__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.66933700R52___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.94033230R969__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.02701424R835__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche
13.18377791R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
13.22393663R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
13.23101281R970__Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
13.78290245R121__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
13.98591792R836__Imperial_Era__Civitanova_Marche

The rest are probably merchants, pilgrims or other travelers.
 
I’m more Medieval than Modern:

Distance to:LUPIAE
2.49000000R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.78107893R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.39329162Italy_Apulia


Rs Top 10
Distance to:LUPIAE
2.49000000R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.78107893R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.62665106R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.66386106R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.74364838R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.88130106R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.90240757R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.04985148R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.10057840R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.45748110R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
 
@Maciano

For your records, if you want

below is the R1 sample protoVillovan ..................female
born Nis Liburnia and died in Picene lands ( Marche )

using your method


Distance to:R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
3.19263925Italy_Veneto
4.59394558Italy_FriuliVG
4.79243154Italy_Piedmont
5.36235312Italy_Emilia
5.41730100Italy_Liguria
5.48928753Italy_Lombardy
6.14541374Italy_Tuscany
6.75545261Italy_Trentino
6.93031835Swiss_Italian
7.40857611Italy_Romagna
10.03419075Italy_Lazio
10.25871769Italy_Aosta_Valley
10.51680265Italy_Marche
10.77139620France_Corsica
15.87357841Italy_Abruzzo
16.98590263Italy_Apulia
18.81695528Italy_Campania
19.20153028Italy_Sicily
22.17265551Italy_Calabria


interesting is

Target: R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
Distance: 2.4220% / 2.42202404 | ADC: 0.5x
92.4Italy_Veneto
7.6Italy_Apulia
Target: R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
Distance: 2.2913% / 2.29129837 | ADC: 0.25x
84.8Italy_Veneto
10.6Italy_Apulia
4.6Italy_FriuliVG
Target: R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
Distance: 2.2777% / 2.27773577
79.6Italy_Veneto
11.8Italy_Apulia
8.6Italy_FriuliVG


It would mean that the Apulian "illyrians" came to Apulia ( landing firstly in Foggia lands ) via what Italian scholars state, from the Iapodes Illyrians that lived next to Liburnians ( most likely shipped by Liburnian navy which was the only fleet from modern Corfu to Trieste in the early iron age )
 
@Maciano

For your records, if you want

below is the R1 sample protoVillovan ..................female
born Nis Liburnia and died in Picene lands ( Marche )


Where is the evidence that Proto-Villanovan R1 sample was born in "Liburnia"?
 
Using the Dodecad K12b data provided by Jovialis's Ancient Rome Test v1.0, I ran each Medieval sample separately against modern populations. As Angela pointed out, many of the skeletons from the Latium region that were tested may have been pilgrims from other parts of Italy or Europe. This should provide better insight for the personal matches of anyone who uses the genetic distance calculator. I have listed the samples by burial location.

Palazzo della Cancelleria, central Rome (771-1411 calCE)


Rome was the center of Christianity, it is not so strange that there were many foreigners. Not only pilgrims, but also friars, priests, bishops etc. from all over Europe and Italy.

For example, the Palazzo della Cancelleria was part of the Vatican institutions.
 
Where is the evidence that Proto-Villanovan R1 sample was born in "Liburnia"?
my error, not Nis , but Nin

A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Adriatic coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign ancestry:

Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.
The sample clusters very close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Marche lands, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.
 
my error, not Nis , but Nin

A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Adriatic coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign ancestry:
Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.
The sample clusters very close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Marche lands, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.


Where did the text you posted come from? The text comes from blogger Carl Quilles, who is not an academic scholar but at most he can be considered a hobbyist. According to his own biography, he has no university background in this subject. So, no evidence.


This is the original text and it doesn't mention any birth of R1 in the Balkans. The text speaks of an affinity in material culture suggesting trade, interaction and contacts, which is a well-known fact.

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Where did the text you posted come from? The text comes from blogger Carl Quilles, who is not an academic scholar but at most he can be considered a hobbyist. According to his own biography, he has no university background in this subject. So, no evidence.


This is the original text and it doesn't mention any birth of R1 in the Balkans. The text speaks of an affinity in material culture suggesting trade, interaction and contacts, which is a well-known fact.

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I think it was via sizzi attachment
 
I think it was via sizzi attachment

on a lap top now
a sizzi thread attachment in italian ..............I got a english version

Do you think all Villanovan sample are only etruscans ?
even when they held Rome for over 200 years and claimed naples from the greeks ..............or even arriving in Adria on the adriatic coast

hope you do not think that only etruscans can have Villanovan or proto-villanovan
 
on a lap top now
a sizzi thread attachment in italian ..............I got a english version

Do you think all Villanovan sample are only etruscans ?
even when they held Rome for over 200 years and claimed naples from the greeks ..............or even arriving in Adria on the adriatic coast

Proto-Villanovan R1 is Proto-Picene/Proto-Italic.

Villanovan R1015 is Etruscan.




 
Proto-Villanovan R1 is Proto-Picene/Proto-Italic.

Villanovan R1015 is Etruscan.





As long as you do not think every Villanovan is not etruscan .................I will check on R1015



Distance to:R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.24585840Italy_Lombardy
10.47190348Swiss_Italian
10.59439172France_Corsica
10.67138183Italy_Liguria
11.32346900Italy_Piedmont
11.45354578Italy_Emilia
12.15522425Italy_Aosta_Valley
12.35516815Italy_Trentino
12.48426575Italy_Veneto
12.52109061Italy_Tuscany
15.14121316Italy_FriuliVG
15.18462380Italy_Romagna
17.92780238Italy_Marche
18.70868739Italy_Lazio
23.67064439Italy_Abruzzo
25.60013410Italy_Campania
26.16214227Italy_Apulia
26.41047302Italy_Sicily
28.64339688Italy_Calabria




Target: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 8.1764% / 8.17643111 | ADC: 0.5x
56.6France_Corsica
33.6Italy_Aosta_Valley
9.8Swiss_Italian
Target: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 8.1328% / 8.13276039 | ADC: 0.25x
57.6France_Corsica
42.4Italy_Aosta_Valley
Target: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 8.1324% / 8.13237277
57.0France_Corsica
43.0Italy_Aosta_Valley


At best this person is mostly likely a Gallic-Ligurian mix
 
My closest match is R110

3.20856666R110__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
3.99085204R474__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
6.33544000R105__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.06787097R55___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.72353546R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
7.81421781R33___Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.08064973R109__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.43316074R1016_Iron_Age_____Castel_di_Decima
8.48432083R473__Iron_Age_____Civitavecchia
8.72169708R63___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.97703737R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
9.39635036R1021_Iron_Age_____Boville_Ernica
9.42583683R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.31083411R851__Iron_Age_____Ardea
10.42913707R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.55089570R435__Iron_Age_____Palestrina_Colombella
10.67592619R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
11.06633634R61___Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.32318546R36___Late_Antiquity_Celio
12.76021160R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
12.80834103R111__Imperial_Era__Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
13.01039584R108__Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
13.18746754R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
13.89386195R120__Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
14.11668871R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
 
As long as you do not think every Villanovan is not etruscan .................I will check on R1015At best this person is mostly likely a Gallic-Ligurian mix

It's not so difficult to understand, Torzio. Trust me. Is Villanovan R1015 at best a Gallic-Ligurian mix? You're so funny. So are you suggesting that in 900 B.C. in Veio, a well-known Etruscan city in southern Etruria, lived both Gauls and Ligurians? There is always something new to learn.


Proto-Villanovan culture is a Bronze Age culture, Villanovan is an Iron Age culture. They are called similarly because the Villanovan culture was discovered earlier than the Proto-Villanovan culture by two different archeologists. Although they have kept these names, further distinctions have been made in recent years by archaeologists, because there's a huge difference between the two. The Villanovan culture is the most ancient phase of the Etruscan civilization, while the proto-Villanovan culture is a supranational bronze culture not only ancestral to the Etruscans.
 
As long as you do not think every Villanovan is not etruscan .................I will check on R1015



Distance to:R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.24585840Italy_Lombardy
10.47190348Swiss_Italian
10.59439172France_Corsica
10.67138183Italy_Liguria
11.32346900Italy_Piedmont
11.45354578Italy_Emilia
12.15522425Italy_Aosta_Valley
12.35516815Italy_Trentino
12.48426575Italy_Veneto
12.52109061Italy_Tuscany
15.14121316Italy_FriuliVG
15.18462380Italy_Romagna
17.92780238Italy_Marche
18.70868739Italy_Lazio
23.67064439Italy_Abruzzo
25.60013410Italy_Campania
26.16214227Italy_Apulia
26.41047302Italy_Sicily
28.64339688Italy_Calabria




Target: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 8.1764% / 8.17643111 | ADC: 0.5x
56.6France_Corsica
33.6Italy_Aosta_Valley
9.8Swiss_Italian
Target: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 8.1328% / 8.13276039 | ADC: 0.25x
57.6France_Corsica
42.4Italy_Aosta_Valley
Target: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 8.1324% / 8.13237277
57.0France_Corsica
43.0Italy_Aosta_Valley


At best this person is mostly likely a Gallic-Ligurian mix

Stop making up your own idiosyncratic definitions for these samples. Neither is "Sizzi" an unimpeachable source. From what I've read at his site he doesn't even know that the people with one of the largest proportions of Anatolia Neolithic are Northern Italians.

This sample is an Etruscan, buried in an Etruscan context. What is the difficulty here???

The closest MODERN population is Lombards according to K12b, but the area generally might be described as northwestern Italy as should be clear to anyone who looked at the Antonio et al PCA.
Nlops9w.png

My match with it:

9.61917356R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia

To reiterate for those who have forgotten, these "modern" results are from a list mistakenly claimed to be from an academic paper but actually the product of samples compiled by this "Sizzi".

Results should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Using the original Dodecad:
Distance to:R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
5.24512154North_Italian
8.03976368N_Italian
8.21257572Baleares
10.85773457Galicia
11.64063572Murcia
12.06155048Extremadura
12.15138675Andalucia
12.49035628TSI30
12.74874111Castilla_Y_Leon
12.84337962Spaniards
13.02558636Portuguese
14.29485922Spanish
14.48704249Cataluna
14.48716673Tuscan
14.59809577Canarias
15.02812031Castilla_La_Mancha
15.03589040Valencia
15.10769340Cantabria
15.97660790Aragon
16.59626464O_Italian
17.91761982C_Italian
20.96794697French
21.55915815French
25.93064596Greek
26.20529908Sicilian
9.61917356R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia

As usual, the original dodecad result is congruent with the findings of the academic paper, i.e. Etruscans are between Northern Italians and Iberians.
 
Stop making up your own idiosyncratic definitions for these samples. Neither is "Sizzi" an unimpeachable source. From what I've read at his site he doesn't even know that the people with one of the largest proportions of Anatolia Neolithic are Northern Italians.

This sample is an Etruscan, buried in an Etruscan context. What is the difficulty here???

The closest MODERN population is Lombards according to K12b, but the area generally might be described as northwestern Italy as should be clear to anyone who looked at the Antonio et al PCA.
Nlops9w.png

My match with it:

9.61917356R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia

To reiterate for those who have forgotten, these "modern" results are from a list mistakenly claimed to be from an academic paper but actually the product of samples compiled by this "Sizzi".

Results should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Using the original Dodecad:
Distance to:R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
5.24512154North_Italian
8.03976368N_Italian
8.21257572Baleares
10.85773457Galicia
11.64063572Murcia
12.06155048Extremadura
12.15138675Andalucia
12.49035628TSI30
12.74874111Castilla_Y_Leon
12.84337962Spaniards
13.02558636Portuguese
14.29485922Spanish
14.48704249Cataluna
14.48716673Tuscan
14.59809577Canarias
15.02812031Castilla_La_Mancha
15.03589040Valencia
15.10769340Cantabria
15.97660790Aragon
16.59626464O_Italian
17.91761982C_Italian
20.96794697French
21.55915815French
25.93064596Greek
26.20529908Sicilian
9.61917356R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia

As usual, the original dodecad result is congruent with the findings of the academic paper, i.e. Etruscans are between Northern Italians and Iberians.

to test yout theory

here is R1 with original dodecad

Distance to:R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
3.19263925Italy_Veneto
4.59394558Italy_FriuliVG
4.79243154Italy_Piedmont
5.36235312Italy_Emilia
5.41730100Italy_Liguria
5.48928753Italy_Lombardy
6.14541374Italy_Tuscany
6.75545261Italy_Trentino
6.93031835Swiss_Italian
7.40857611Italy_Romagna
7.51609606Albanian_North
7.76251248Albanian_Kosovo
10.03419075Italy_Lazio
10.25871769Italy_Aosta_Valley
10.51680265Italy_Marche
10.77139620France_Corsica
15.04893352Bulgarians
15.06029880Romanians
15.41974708Bulgarian
15.87357841Italy_Abruzzo
16.83403101Greek
16.98590263Italy_Apulia
18.35866553Baleares
18.81695528Italy_Campania
19.20153028Italy_Sicily


similar to the above


92.6Italy_Veneto5.2Albanian_Kosovo2.2Albanian_NorthTarget: R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
Distance: 1.7286% / 1.72862196 | ADC: 0.5x
80.8Italy_Veneto9.6Albanian_North8.4Albanian_Kosovo0.6Italy_Tuscany0.6NganassanTarget: R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
Distance: 0.9911% / 0.99106208 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6Italy_Veneto10.6Albanian_North3.8Greek

Target: R1____Iron_Age_____Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
Distance: 3.1926% / 3.19263925 | ADC: 2x
100.0Italy_Veneto



which is better post #5 or this for sample R1 ?
 
I’m more Medieval than Modern:

Distance to:LUPIAE
2.49000000R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.78107893R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.39329162Italy_Apulia


Rs Top 10
Distance to:LUPIAE
2.49000000R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.78107893R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.62665106R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.66386106R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.74364838R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.88130106R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.90240757R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.04985148R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.10057840R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.45748110R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio

Damn Salento go back to your own time and quit messing around with time travel!:grin:
 
if I leave in the Sardinians, Spanish, french and Albanians ....the results for R1015 are

Distance to:R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.24585840Italy_Lombardy
10.47190348Swiss_Italian
10.59439172France_Corsica
10.67138183Italy_Liguria
11.32346900Italy_Piedmont
11.45354578Italy_Emilia
12.15522425Italy_Aosta_Valley
12.35516815Italy_Trentino
12.48426575Italy_Veneto
12.52109061Italy_Tuscany
12.84337962Spaniards
14.29485922Spanish
15.14121316Italy_FriuliVG
15.18462380Italy_Romagna
17.92780238Italy_Marche
18.70868739Italy_Lazio
20.58547789Albanian_North
20.71231035Albanian_Kosovo
20.96794697French
21.55915815French
23.67064439Italy_Abruzzo
25.60013410Italy_Campania
25.93064596Greek
26.16214227Italy_Apulia
26.41047302Italy_Sicily


51.2Italy_Lombardy28.4Spaniards20.4France_CorsicaTarget: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 3.8825% / 3.88254771 | ADC: 0.5x
57.0Italy_Lombardy23.6Spaniards11.0France_Corsica8.4SardinianTarget: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 2.1920% / 2.19198126 | ADC: 0.25x
67.4Swiss_Italian20.6Sardinian8.2France_Corsica3.8Spanish

Target: R1015_Iron_Age_____Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
Distance: 5.5356% / 5.53559013 | ADC: 1x


 
If these coordinates of modern Italians included in the updated DODECAD K12b spreadsheet were produced by the “Sizzi” that writes in link below, they must be disregarded.

https://ilsizzi.wordpress.com/2015/04/09/il-dna-autosomico-europeo/

The man is a racist. This is his conclusion of the "article" contained in the referred link:

[FONT=&quot]Le distanze genetiche delimitano popoli, etnie, subrazze e razze, alla faccia di chi continua a ripetere come un disco rotto che le razze non esistono. Pensate anche solo alla biodiversità italiana, dove il gruppo settentrionale è ben distinto sia da quello toscano e centrale che da quello meridionale, soprattutto. Quanto basta per poter parlare di gruppi etnici differenti. Figuratevi se dovessimo parlare di gruppi razziali.”


Racists are sick people who should not be given credibility or a platform to spread their absurd ideas.[/FONT]
 

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