Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

[lynxbythetv]

Ok so I've had a quick gander at those Illyrian substrates and I'm not seeing anything notably Illyrian, just bell beakers. I'll just mention the Gaelic cognates.

For starters Aran, field in Albanian wheat/Bread in Gaelic there's even an isle of Arran.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): arán

Everything about 'arán' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

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Airde, height.
Buonon/Bun. Buinogg, small shoot, sprout. Bun, Base bottom.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): Airde

Everything about 'Airde' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

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Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): bun

Everything about 'bun' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

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Breis. increase.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): breis

Everything about 'breis' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

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Bris. Loss.
Daisiates. Tough one but Dais is just dash in Gaelic.
Mal. Excise, chief, noble.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): mál

Everything about 'mál' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

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Mountain in Illyrian sure tracks with height, power and authority.

Magh, plain.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): magh

Everything about 'magh' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

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Rhinos, fog/mist Old Alb Ren, cloud.
RI. King aka above.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): rí

Everything about 'rí' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

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[Archetype0ne]

Ok so I've had a quick gander at those Illyrian substrates and I'm not seeing anything notably Illyrian, just bell beakers. I'll just mention the Gaelic cognates.

For starters Aran, field in Albanian wheat/Bread in Gaelic there's even an isle of Arran.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): arán

Everything about 'arán' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

www.teanglann.ie

Airde, height.
Buonon/Bun. Buinogg, small shoot, sprout. Bun, Base bottom.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): Airde

Everything about 'Airde' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

www.teanglann.ie

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): bun

Everything about 'bun' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

www.teanglann.ie

Breis. increase.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): breis

Everything about 'breis' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

www.teanglann.ie

Bris. Loss.
Daisiates. Tough one but Dais is just dash in Gaelic.
Mal. Excise, chief, noble.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): mál

Everything about 'mál' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

www.teanglann.ie

Mountain in Illyrian sure tracks with height, power and authority.

Magh, plain.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): magh

Everything about 'magh' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

www.teanglann.ie

Rhinos, fog/mist Old Alb Ren, cloud.
RI. King aka above.

Foclóir Gaeilge–Béarla (Ó Dónaill): rí

Everything about 'rí' in the Ó Dónaill Irish-English Dictionary

www.teanglann.ie

*Still more too add*

Fair enough. So lets assume your reconstructions hold merit, which with linguistics its hard to tell due to sound changes.

Ok so I've had a quick gander at those Illyrian substrates and I'm not seeing anything notably Illyrian, just bell beakers. I'll just mention the Gaelic cognates.

But by your logic Slavic "ogan" - fire, has nothing notably Slavic, because of Sanskrit and old Hindi "angi" - fire.

For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic we know that modern Slavs descend from proto Slavs rather than some proto-Indians. And that these cognates are due to the Proto-Indo-European connection. You would agree?

So, even if Gaelic and Illyrian share cognates by way of Proto-Indo-European... For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic, we would not assume that Albanian is descendant from proto-Scottish...

Albanian: mountain - mal; peak, summit - majë

 

[lynxbythetv]

Fair enough. So lets assume your reconstructions hold merit, which with linguistics its hard to tell due to sound changes.

But by your logic Slavic "ogan" - fire, has nothing notably Slavic, because of Sanskrit and old Hindi "angi" - fire.

For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic we know that modern Slavs descend from proto Slavs rather than some proto-Indians. And that these cognates are due to the Proto-Indo-European connection. You would agree?

So, even if Gaelic and Illyrian share cognates by way of Proto-Indo-European... For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic, we would not assume that Albanian is descendant from proto-Scottish...

Albanian: mountain - mal, peak, summit - majë

Sure but the Slabs had yet too enter the Balkans and those cognates do track with my examples. I mean Albanians have the bell beakers variant of Mal not the Balto Slavic one. It appears every single researcher never once looked at Gaelic. Irish have the most Bell Beaker ancestry so we can theorise some kind of connection. I just don't think the Illyrians nor the Albanian language are mystery.

 

[lynxbythetv]

Fair enough. So lets assume your reconstructions hold merit, which with linguistics its hard to tell due to sound changes.

But by your logic Slavic "ogan" - fire, has nothing notably Slavic, because of Sanskrit and old Hindi "angi" - fire.

For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic we know that modern Slavs descend from proto Slavs rather than some proto-Indians. And that these cognates are due to the Proto-Indo-European connection. You would agree?

So, even if Gaelic and Illyrian share cognates by way of Proto-Indo-European... For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic, we would not assume that Albanian is descendant from proto-Scottish...

Albanian: mountain - mal, peak, summit - majë

Sure but the Slabs had yet too enter the Balkans and those cognates do track with my examples. I mean Albanians have the bell beakers variant of Mal not the Balto Slavic one. It appears every single researcher never once looked at Gaelic. Irish have the most Bell Beaker ancestry so we can theorise some kind of connection. I just don't think the Illyrians nor the Albanian language are a mystery.

 

[Archetype0ne]

Sure but the Slabs had yet too enter the Balkans and those cognates do track with my examples. I mean Albanians have the bell beakers variant of Mal not the Balto Slavic one. It appears every single researcher never once looked at Gaelic. Irish have the most Bell Beaker ancestry so we can theorise some kind of connection. I just don't think the Illyrians nor the Albanian language are a mystery.

Okay, so help me understand, Bell Beakers in Ancient Greece and India?

Because the root not only seems Proto-Indo-European, but the Proto-Indo-European connections links the abovementioned regions (India, Ancient Greece, Albania etc).

Meanwhile the current consensus (See Lazaridis et al 2022) in Lingutics and Genetics seems to be that Albanian, Greek, (Armenian*) are direct Yamnaya descendants. Whereas all the other IE languages in Europe* descend from a secondary Corded Ware wave, including Gaelic, Irish and Slavic...

 

[lynxbythetv]

Fair enough. So lets assume your reconstructions hold merit, which with linguistics its hard to tell due to sound changes.

But by your logic Slavic "ogan" - fire, has nothing notably Slavic, because of Sanskrit and old Hindi "angi" - fire.

For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic we know that modern Slavs descend from proto Slavs rather than some proto-Indians. And that these cognates are due to the Proto-Indo-European connection. You would agree?

So, even if Gaelic and Illyrian share cognates by way of Proto-Indo-European... For obvious reasons, historic, linguistic and genetic, we would not assume that Albanian is descendant from proto-Scottish...

Albanian: mountain - mal, peak, summit - majë

Sure but the Slabs had yet too enter the Balkans and those cognates do track with my examples. I mean Albanians have the bell beakers variant of Mal not the Balto Slavic one. It appears every single researcher never once looked at Gaelic. Irish have the most Bell Beaker ancestry so we can theorise some kind of connection. I just don't think the Illyrians nor the Albanian language are mystery.

Okay, so help me understand, Bell Beakers in Ancient Greece and India?

Because the root not only seems Proto-Indo-European, but the Proto-Indo-European connections links the abovementioned regions (India, Ancient Greece, Albania etc).

Meanwhile the current consensus (See Lazaridis et al 2022) in Lingutics and Genetics seems to be that Albanian, Greek, (Armenian*) are direct Yamnaya descendants. Whereas all the other IE languages in Europe* descend from a secondary Corded Ware wave, including Gaelic, Irish and Slavic...

Your right I thought the Hallstatt Celts were bell beakers it appears they are urnfield, not bell beakers. None the less did they not find a bell beaker woman on Crete.

Ok putting aside that I think yamnaya and Gaelic are far closer than assumed but why do linguists need to quote eastern languages when Gaelic has the correct etymology. I mean you've even got Ren for cloud aka RI king, top leader.

Lazaridis is probs wrong.

 

[lynxbythetv]

Setting aside the unresolved V13 question, confirmed directly inherited Illyrian Y-DNA is more than 1/3 (L283 and west Balkan R1b) in Albanians (in some regions it's more than 50%), which is much higher than direct Y-DNA ancestry of Greeks from ancient Greeks or Hungarians from Magyars. It is similar to direct Y-DNA ancestry of Bulgarians from Slavs or Austrians from Germanic tribes. You wouldn't doubt that Bulgarians are a Slavic ethnic group or that Austrians are part of the Germanic people, would you?

Naturally, ethnic groups develop and incorporate new elements which is a natural and necessary process in history. Groups which don't expand, incorporate new elements and never change are the ones that die out eventually. There's no European ethnic group today which has 100% Y-DNA ancestry from its Iron Age ancestors who spoke an early version of the modern language. Albanians are not different and it doesn't change the fact that all Albanians today have direct (Y-, mt-) or indirect (autosomal) ancestry from an original Albanian-speaking group which was part of the historical Illyrians.

Bulgarians have retained the name of a previous conquering Turkic group so in some ways their identity is a bit confusing yet they don't actually identify as ethnic bulgars as for being Slavs well sure but not prior to the 700s. Hungarians aren't really seen as Turkic just the retainers of their language. Look to be frank the Illyrians aren't really known for much, we have zero physical descriptions or much info at all aside from tribe names and just how warlike etc etc they were. None of the Illyrian samples have came up as EV13, correct....doesn't that take a bit of wind out of the sails in regards to just how Illyrian Albanians are ???

 

[Archetype0ne]

Bulgarians have retained the name of a previous conquering Turkic group so in some ways their identity is a bit confusing yet they don't actually identify as ethnic bulgars as for being Slavs well sure but not prior to the 700s. Hungarians aren't really seen as Turkic just the retainers of their language. Look to be frank the Illyrians aren't really known for much, we have zero physical descriptions or much info at all aside from tribe names and just how warlike etc etc they were. None of the Illyrian samples have came up as EV13, correct....doesn't that take a bit of wind out of the sails in regards to just how Illyrian Albanians are ???

I would say quite the opposite. All the samples we have found from the Illyrian territory so far range overwhelmingly between J2-L283 and R1b-m269.

Across the board those two haplogroup are the biggest contributors to Albanian paternal clades. If anything this puts wind in the sails to how Illyrian Albanians are.

E-V13 remains the penultimate mystery which will be very interesting to discover, as its tribal contribution is the second largest, and single largest as an individual clade. But such discovery will take nothing away from the Illyrian-Albanian continuity, it will just enrich Albanian ancestry with another ancient peoples.

Overall, pretty based if you ask me.

 

[epirus1000]

Wow they could not pick a single word. Amazing, while Bulgarians somehow did manage to. Bulgarians must have learned those from what rrenjet calls Dardania cluster.

I see that your Thracian theory should be pushed at any cost. Or, probably your Mastoras did change the theory.
I'm always confused on what do you support. It's such a foggy collection of theories that change every time.

It's obvious that few Illyrian clans survived, those being in isolated areas in the triangle Croatia/Serbia/Albania. Same holds for Albanian holders of Ev13, being is same area, but mostly on the eastern side of this triangle.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Consistent theory since my first post in this thread. Show me doing otherwise. If you can't, you're just a liar and a very dumb one.

It's obvious that few Illyrian clans survived, those being in isolated areas in the triangle Croatia/Serbia/Albania. Same holds for Albanian holders of Ev13, being is same area, but mostly on the eastern side of this triangle.

There is no E-V13 population in that area. Your superiors at rrenjet acknowledge this, that is why they have resorted to claim western Thracians as "Illyrians". They even will not define the boundaries of Dardania because if the border is agreed that will leave out(pretty much 95%) a lot of E-V13 Albanian branches outside of "liliria".

Cheeseboy even refers to R-Z2705 as R1b, because it simply will not be found in Illyrians, hence R1b is just R1b.

Carpathian Basin paper helped uncovering another old paper of 2006: Y-chromosomal evidence for a limited Greek contribution to the Pathan population of Pakistan

https://www.nature.com/articles/5201726

Basically this paper compared some modern greek dna haplogroups with three Pakistani populations residing in northern Pakistan, the Burusho, Kalash and Pathan claim descent from Greek soldiers associated with Alexander's invasion of southwest Asia.
It was discovered E3b1 lineages, for sure E-v13, which were frequent in the Greeks but not in Pakistan, were nevertheless observed in two Pathan individuals, one of whom shared a 16 Y-STR haplotype with the Greeks.

Imagine if this study could compare Albanians to those Pathan population. For sure the relation of modern Albanians to ancient Macedonians is way higher, as shown in those two Pathan individuals that had relations to E-v13 haplos, probably based mostly in Albania and Kosova

LOL Take a PISA exam, and get help.

 

[epirus1000]

Wow they could not pick a single word. Amazing, while Bulgarians somehow did manage to. Bulgarians must have learned those from what rrenjet calls Dardania cluster.

I see that your Thracian theory should be pushed at any cost. Or, probably your Mastoras did change the theory.
I'm always confused on what do you support. It's such a foggy collection of theories that change every time.

It's obvious that few Illyrian clans survived, those being in isolated areas in the triangle Croatia/Serbia/Albania. Same holds for Albanian holders of Ev13, being is same area, but mostly on the eastern side of this triangle.

Consistent theory since my first post in this thread. Show me doing otherwise. If you can't, you're just a liar and a very dumb one.



There is no E-V13 population in that area. Your superiors at rrenjet acknowledge this, that is why they have resorted to claim western Thracians as "Illyrians". They even will not define the boundaries of Dardania because if the border is agreed that will leave out(pretty much 95%) a lot of E-V13 Albanian branches outside of "liliria".

Cheeseboy even refers to R-Z2705 as R1b, because it simply will not be found in Illyrians, hence R1b is just R1b.



LOL Take a PISA exam, and get help.

I put the title there, and the first record is from the National Library of Serbia. The fifth not shown is from the repository of the Academy of Serbia. I see your point, clear and sound. It's a clear Serbian stuff. I was thinking more on our south neighbor, but I was wrong.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

I put the title there, and the first record is from the National Library of Serbia. The fifth not shown is from the repository of the Academy of Serbia. I see your point, clear and sound. It's a clear Serbian stuff. I was thinking more on our south neighbor, but I was wrong.

You don't think much.

You have a problem with the author?

 

[epirus1000]

You don't think much.

You have a problem with the author?

I see that this is the theory pushed by the Serbian Academy of Sciences and that is self-explainable.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

I see that this is the theory pushed by the Serbian Academy of Sciences and that is self-explainable.

What theory? And what are you trying to say?

All I am getting is your low IQ PISA test score thinks Serbs should not do archeology, if they do, it's by default a conspiracy against you and your low IQ perception of the world.

 

[epirus1000]

What theory? And what are you trying to say?

All I am getting is your low IQ PISA test score thinks Serbs should not do archeology, if they do, it's by default a conspiracy against you and your low IQ perception of the world.

Some theories they try to disperse during the centuries, starting from Nacertanije to the map you are sharing.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Some theories they try to disperse during the centuries, starting from Nacertanije to the map you are sharing.

Aleksander Bulatovic is a very competent archeologists, and very prolific/active, publishing many papers on a annual basis. The papers get published in reputable journals. There is no equivalent person in Albanian doing something similar at this time.
None of his work mentions Albanians. Yet a public figure(you) Rotullaku/rrotulleshi runs his mouth embarrassing himself and the image of Albania. You're a public figure, keep that in mind.

 

[epirus1000]

Aleksander Bulatovic is a very competent archeologists, and very prolific/active, publishing many papers on a annual basis. The papers get published in reputable journals. There is no equivalent person in Albanian doing something similar at this time.
None of his work mentions Albanians. Yet a public figure(you) Rotullaku/rrotulleshi runs his mouth embarrassing himself and the image of Albania. You're a public figure, keep that in mind.

I see that you have studied a lot your scripts from Serbian Academy. Good to know.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

I see that you have studied a lot your scripts from Serbian Academy. Good to know.

You're so primitive.

 

[epirus1000]

You're so primitive.

I know your scripts and Serbian scripts. You are easy to read.
Your scripts include:
a. Personal attacks and confrontational language. CHECK
b. Unrespectful tone. CHECK
c. Avoiding dialogue. CHECK
d. Undermine the Albanian continuity. CHECK
e. Mention scholars who refuse to mention Albanians. CHECK

I don't fall for that!

 

[PaleoRevenge]

You don't belong here(you should be banned). You are backwards. Extremely backwards. I posted a map of archeological sites. All you did was accuse a Serbian archeologists of plotting against Albania. And you accuse me of working for Serbs. I even asked you to explain yourself, what exactly has Aleksandrar Bulatovic written about Albanians. What is the plot here?

If you can't back up you accusations, you are backwards, you are unintelligent and you should be stopped from spamming further.