Politics Will Ukraine join EU?

[Yetos]

It is only for the reason that CIA is doping them with just enough money for them to feel their position had improved. If they would manage to get the Russia down, CIA would stop funding, and then we would see just how better they really are.

no it has nothing to do with that,

since you are from Serbia it has to do with politics like the Blent treaty, remember Tito/Dimitrov/Stalin case, etc etc.

 

[ElHorsto]

The thread is obsolete because Ukraine is toast. After all the deeds by Kiev, the eastern part will never again be part of that failed state. Initially the rebels and Russia demanded federalization, hoping for a neutral status like Finland, but this opportunity is gone.

 

[ElHorsto]

The thread is obsolete because Ukraine is toast. After all the deeds by Kiev, the eastern part will never again be part of that failed state. Initially the rebels and Russia demanded federalization, hoping for a neutral status like Finland, but this opportunity is gone.

Maybe I was too quick. In the press conference they said they will only accept independence, but now they said they just want autonomy. Probably Putin/Lavrov made pressure on them to keep Ukraine united. It is too early for statements. NATO will also meet this week.

 

[LeBrok]

Maybe I was too quick. In the press conference they said they will only accept independence, but now they said they just want autonomy. Probably Putin/Lavrov made pressure on them to keep Ukraine united. It is too early for statements. NATO will also meet this week.

Yes, I thought that you were too quick too. I looks like Putin will settle for autonomic districts and won't invade whole Ukraine or push for district's independance. I think, autonomy will mean joining Russia soon anyway. How hard it will be to organize referendum in autonomic districts to separate from Ukraine and join Russia?
I also think, as I mentioned in another thread, that this calamity will turn a blessing for Ukraine. Although a bit smaller in size it will be more coherent ethnically and politically. Process of joining NATO and EU should go much smoother now.

 

[Garrick]

EU and other political unions are mostly about economy, economical help, cooperation and safety net. If it was about ethnical identity you would have seen unions based on it.

But few seem idealistic. Because there are limits to the spread of. Expanding to the South (Africa) and East (Asia) enters the world of different nations, cultures, values in relation to the current European. Larger the expansion (beyond geographical Europe) would result in a rapid disintegration. Therefore, in reality there are limits including ethnic and cultural, although many people don't like to talk about it.

 

[Garrick]

I think a more natural Union for Slavic countries would have been a Slavic Union. They share the genes, the language, the culture. Slavic countries in EU is an odd occurrence.

It is quite natural that the Slavic peoples related to each other (for example I like the Slovaks, Czechs, Poles and others, and have friends).

And it is quite natural that the Slavic peoples are in the European Union, they are European nations.

Anthem of Yugoslavia was not Serbian or Croatian or Slovenian but Slavic. The words of this hymn was written by S. Tomasik (Slovak) and the melody was composed by M. Dabrowskiego (Pole).

Words, the first strophe and refrain (in English):

Hey, Slavs, there still lives
the spirit of our grandfathers
While for the nations beats the heart
of their sons!


There lives, there lives the Slavic spirit,
It will live for ages!
In vain threatens the abyss of Hell
In vain the fire of thunder!

 

[Christiaan]

If you replace the word Slavic by Germanic it sounds a bit dark and outdated to be honest. Slavic union wouldn't work as Yugoslavia didn't work, because the biggest one is the most hated one.

 

[Sile]

If you replace the word Slavic by Germanic it sounds a bit dark and outdated to be honest. Slavic union wouldn't work as Yugoslavia didn't work, because the biggest one is the most hated one.

both mean linguistic......you cannot tell genetics by languages

 

[Christiaan]

both mean linguistic......you cannot tell genetics by languages

ok, for the antf*ckers (hairsplitters) : if you replace Slavs/Slavic by Germanic people/Germanic.

 

[Garrick]

If you replace the word Slavic by Germanic it sounds a bit dark and outdated to be honest. Slavic union wouldn't work as Yugoslavia didn't work, because the biggest one is the most hated one.

Discussion of this page came from one interlocutor (#53) who thinks that Slavic people should be in "Slavic union", and that Slavs in EU are "odd occurrence".

But Slavic people are European nations and it is natural to be in European union.

European union is the home of European nations and all its citizens.

The words Slavs and Slavic are not the best choice in English (similar in another Western European languages) because Slavic people call themselves "Sloveni" or "Slaveni" which comes from the word "Slovo" (letter), ie those who speak.

Yugoslavia worked more decades and it was a prosperous country, problems resulting from the eighties when the country fell into economic crisis and communist and managerial elite did not have the courage to implement the necessary reforms, but it is long story and deserves special topic.

 

[Ike]

If you replace the word Slavic by Germanic it sounds a bit dark and outdated to be honest. Slavic union wouldn't work as Yugoslavia didn't work, because the biggest one is the most hated one.

Yugoslavia worked very well, until foreign spies started supporting nationalism, separatism, irredentism and all other isms.

 

[LeBrok]

Yugoslavia worked very well, until foreign spies started supporting nationalism, separatism, irredentism and all other isms.

I guess you are only one who liked it and still cares for its flag.

 

[Christiaan]

Yugoslavia worked very well, until foreign spies started supporting nationalism, separatism, irredentism and all other isms.

Let me guess the Serbian nationalism was just a reaction of the "foreign" interference. Oh Boy, you should really wear a tin foil hat so that those western foreigners can't read your mind...


What Garrick said sounds far more sensible than your version of events. The politicians failed first economically and than on the ethnic level.

 

[Ike]

I guess you are only one who liked it and still cares for its flag.

I guess it feels good to make for you to make fun of us, now that your country successfully destroyed my country.

Let me guess the Serbian nationalism was just a reaction of the "foreign" interference. Oh Boy, you should really wear a tin foil hat so that those western foreigners can't read your mind...

What Garrick said sounds far more sensible than your version of events. The politicians failed first economically and than on the ethnic level.

Which has nothing to do with the enormous amount of money, guns and men who were infiltrated in Yugoslavia since 1980 for that very purpose....
I don't know do you deliberately omit these facts or you're just tr***ing.

 

[Christiaan]

I guess it feels good to make for you to make fun of us, now that your country successfully destroyed my country.




Which has nothing to do with the enormous amount of money, guns and men who were infiltrated in Yugoslavia since 1980 for that very purpose....
I don't know do you deliberately omit these facts or you're just tr***ing.

No, I simply don't agree with you. 95% of what happened in former Yugoslavia was caused by internal problems. Yugoslavia was not a Panama or Vietnam.

 

[albanopolis]

No, I simply don't agree with you. 95% of what happened in former Yugoslavia was caused by internal problems. Yugoslavia was not a Panama or Vietnam.

The only problem with Yugoslavia were Albanians. How can a non Slavic population being incorporated in State they hated.
Albanians played their part in blowing up that artificial creature called Yugoslavia.
Religion was the other big thing. Because of religion Croats and Bosnia's saw themselves different.
There were not spies or agents from the west. The west resisted temptations for Yugoslavians destruction,
Serbia was the last one to contribute to Yugoslavia demise. Nationalism i Serbia was so sick that convinced everyone in Serbia that Serbs are the smartest guys in town. Eventually no one wanted to by that claim,

 

[King Bardhyl]

No, I simply don't agree with you. 95% of what happened in former Yugoslavia was caused by internal problems. Yugoslavia was not a Panama or Vietnam.

According to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia
The country was formed in 1918 immediately after World War I as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes by union of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs and the Kingdom of Serbia. It was commonly referred to at the time as the "Versailles state". Later, the government renamed the country leading to the first official use of Yugoslavia in 1929.

The Kingdom of Yugoslavia was created by France and Great Britain, aimed at curbing the German expansion in the Balkans.
After the WWII country became known as


:The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFR Yugoslavia or SFRY).
After the fall of the Berlin Wall and the consequence collapse of communism,ceased to exist motive of creating this state, simultaneously serbian element in the federation sought to take primacy and steer the country towards Russia.
So for these two reasons and others this artificial state can not continue to exist.

 

[Christiaan]

80 years after the creation of Yugoslavia I would say the war of the nineties was still 95% caused by internal problems and not by some recent external involvement, after all it means that 3 generations had lived there to figure it out to make it work.

 

[King Bardhyl]

80 years after the creation of Yugoslavia I would say the war of the nineties was still 95% caused by internal problems and not by some recent external involvement, after all it means that 3 generations had lived there to figure it out to make it work.

When we talk about phenomena such as the disintegration of a state, we must take into account external factors and internal. We are discussing this particular case for a relatively small country, so the main factors are those outside. So at the moment that this country is abandoned the mission assigned, then ....

 

[Ike]

No, I simply don't agree with you. 95% of what happened in former Yugoslavia was caused by internal problems. Yugoslavia was not a Panama or Vietnam.

I don't even expect you to agree. I guess you government could't admit to their own people how dirty they play here. The conclusions that you get are quite consistent with (wrong) ideas that you were implanted about fallout of Yugoslavia.