I have split the discussion about the Italo-Celtic expansion and the definition of "Celts".
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You are unclear as to what "Celt" refers too in a physical sense.
First you suggested Atlanto-Mediterranean, then Alpine and now is it Atlanto-Mediterranean again?
Phenotype reflects genotype to a large degree ...
You can find I1 from Turkey to Iberia, but that does not make it a Mediterranean or pan-European haplogroup. Its origin is in Scandinavia. As for R-L21, it has been found in such places as Spain or Lithuania, but it is undeniable from the distribution map that it is far more common in southern Germany, Britain and Ireland..
You are stating falsehoods..
I1 DOES NOT originate in Scandinavia..
if it did it would not have existed until the glaciers cleared scandinavia, which did not happen until about SIX THOUSAND YEARS AGO..
I1 clearly orginates from todays Balkans (as does its companion in scandinavia, R1a) and the I1a of the norse is a derivative of the balkan, or what we would today consider slavic peoples..
It sounds appealing for a Romanian to think that I1 originated in the Balkans. However at present the TMRCA shows that haplogroup I1 is only 4,000 to 5,000 years old. What you mean is that haplogroup I* originated in the Balkans. But even this is not proven. It is likely, but no one can be sure. Actually Ice Age populations were nomadic and sometimes roamed very broad region, so the original hg I people could well have spent part of their time in southern Europe and part in the Middle East. That would explain the wide geographic range where haplogroup I is found nowadays.
The Celts were not Nordic-looking.
The nordic types in the Britihs Isles comes from the Vikings and Germanics, not from the Celts.
The Celts were mostly Atlanto-Mediterranean and Alpines.
Yes, true to a fair extent. However, there may well have been a significant red hair Celtic strain that translated primarily into auburn. You encounter quite a few auburn, chestnut and light red haired types in Iberia, particularly in the northwest and central west; Portugal (Beiras, Minho, Douro and Tras-os-Montes provinces), Galicia, Asturias and Leon.
Acutally, you can find redhaired types in all Iberia,
So, I would say Redhair is something common in all the White race, all the sub-types, (all Europeans, if you prefer to call it.)
It was not something particular of the Celts.
ok , I agreeI don't think that red hair is that common in places like southern Italy, the Balkans, or even in "blond countries" like Finland or Ukraine. Red hair is most common in Western Europe.
I don't think that red hair is that common in places like southern Italy, the Balkans, or even in "blond countries" like Finland or Ukraine. Red hair is most common in Western Europe.
I suspect red hair in all its various shades is more common in the Atlantic fringe of Europe. In my region of Portugal you see a good number of people with different shades of auburn and light red.
This is a rather important Celtic studies work.
Published in April, 2009
John T. Koch, Tartessian: Celtic in the South-west at the Dawn of History.
Offered on Amazon.
It essentially refutes the theory that Celtic culture / the Celts originated in Central Europe.
Do they claim that the Celts originated in South-West Europe (Iberia) ? What are the arguments ?
Then , how do you explain the massive presence of haplotype R-M167 in Iberia, which is of Celtic origin.So what every specialist in celtic history think is highly innacurate ?
You won't find any serious historian or university researcher who will say today that there was massive migrations from hallstatt and La Tène peoples in the british isles or Iberia. They will laugh at you. Some even think that ethnic celts never existed and that "celtic" has just a cultural and geographical meaning.
Your thought about celtic peoples belong to the past, along with Henri Hubert, Camille Jullian, and the good old Albert Grenier. That's outdated.
What has this anything to do with the presence of Celts in Iberia ??What part of the facts do you have trouble understanding?
Portuguese are mainly dark of hair (true)
Portuguese are mainly dark of eye (true)
Portuguese are mainly dark of complexion (true)
Portuguese have more SS African mtDNA than other Europeans, even in North Portugal (true)
England as a whole has about 0.6 pc SS African mtDNA while South Portugal has 10 pc plus, Central Portugal 6 pc plus and North Portugal 3 pc plus.
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