Who are these they are related to? How did they get J2 and E? they differ from Alb because of higher i2a and r1a. my point is Illyrians and Thracians carried EV-13 and J2. proto-Romanians are from Dacians.
I don't really care about your feelings or how you feel about muslims or about man made fairytales.. History is history and it doesn't really change, facts are facts. I'm not calling Albanians - Aromanians or Romanians or vice versa, because there is too much i2a and r1a. The way I see it, Albanians are the surviving Thraco-Illyrians, while Aromanians and Romanians, and greeks are mixed with slavs (Not offending) and you complain about muslims? The Slavs who immigrated, the first wave, killed people, the Serbian empire killed people.... I'm just establishing a linguistical and historical point, about the illyrians, thracians and dacians and their relation to EV-13 and J2. I can see people in this forum have problems, it's like talking to walls.. but hey, you cannot steal history and other peoples identity. I'm not islamic, I'm an atheist. You would convert to if they killed your family, raped women before killing them, made you pay money you don't have: there are more muslims of slavic origin, they split because of different religion, why you think Pomaks exist? Gorani? Bosniak Muslims etc? although maybe Bosniak muslims might of been catholics before.. there are million greek muslims, Albanians didn't really split despite of religion. Christians yugoslav and greek authorities deported muslims to turkey,, because someone converted to islam doesnt mean they were ottoman collaborates, people converted to be left alone. you should study some Albanian history.. ALbanians have dozzens of heroes who fought against ottomans. The ottomans were like islamic state. they killed millions of people. they kidnapped kids, greeks, albanians, serbs, bosniaks, trained them and many of the leaders and soldiers were from these people...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomaks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosniaks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorani
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croat_Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(nationality)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Albania
The same in Kosovo.
You're religious nuts, not everyone cares about man made fairytales.. the way I see it. Christians in the balkans are bigger problem than muslims, who are victims of deportation.
I already told you that Dacians and Thracians could not have carried E-V13.
This was brought by Neolithic people.
Or another clade of E was brought and E-V13 appeared in Balkans,from E.
As for J2,I think was brought by more people,once by Neolithic farmers but also Thracians carried J2.
Anyway,Thracians should have carried mostly R1A and R1B.
Is quite logic,there is some R1B branch that is at high rates in Albania,in Armenia and also extends in other parts of Europe.
Armenians are also speakers of Satem IE language,so is quite clear those people who brought Albanian,were Satem speakers.
Since Albanian is also Satem language.
That haplogroup is called R1b-L23 (HT35) and is present in significant numbers in Albania,Greece,Romania and so on.
Quite clear that Dacians,Thracians were carrying such HG.
I also think Thracians were not speaking a single language,but a group of languages.
And that were not only R1B-L23 carriers,they also carried R1A clades and so on.
Ancestors of the Slavs should have been also included in the Thracians and got their language after Germanic migrations.
But those who brought today Slavic language moved around 600 AD.
Not possible that at 600 Ad I2-din was not already present in high percentages in Romania and Balkans.
Also,R1A should have already been in Romania and Balkans from Thracians when Slavs moved at 600 AD.
I have no idea why some people believe that I2-din just came,with a migration and that were not more people carrying this HG.
Is very simple,people with I2-din were in the area from before Thracians or Slavs moved,so both these people assimilated I2-din people and carried with them,after.
In Romania plenty of Slavs settled but mostly in the plains.Maybe 90% of the Slavs settled in the plains,maybe even more. Slavic speakers were not pastoralists,but were practicing agriculture and raising pigs.
Let me give another clear thing,about how many Slavs settled in Romania,we also have as traditional the welcoming of someone with bread and salt.
Albania do not have such a thing.
And if these Slavic speakers would have been carried lots of I2-din than in the plains we should have a higher concentration of I2-din that in the mountains,in Romania.
However,is not like that,in the mountains there is more I2-din that in the plains.
And in the plains we have more R1A.
Which means Slavic speakers were not carrying too much I2-din.
So,can you please with something more logic at this thread and stop with anti-Slavic propaganda?
The Slavs that settled in Romania,and got assimilated to Romanian language are great citizens of Romania,they are more Romanian than city settlers,especially those city settlers from Muntenia/Wallachia which got Turkish influences.
Slavs are an essential part of the forming of the Romanian people.
So would be interested to make genetic testing of the average Romanian peasant and average Romanian shepherd.
I suppose average Romanian shepherd will have plenty of I2 and few J2 and E-V13,same about R1A,but also a decent percentage of R1B-l23,while average Romanian peasant is a mix of Neolithic and Slavic people,having 20% or more R1A,E-V13,J-2 in higher percentages.
Offtopic:
You will not get from me any sympathy for the independence of Kosovo,we have already two muslim states in Europe,Albania and Bosnia we do not need a third one.
Albania and Bosnia should not be received in EU until they do not sign they will not try to implement Muslim rules in their countries.
If they start to implement Muslim rules,they should leave EU.