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Are South Slavs more Balkan Native than Slavic?

Vladimir Orel places Albanian around the southern Carpathians, much in agreement with the Austrian scholars.
Vladimir was a slav. As such his work is discredited. Austrian scholars also emphasized that Albanian language is the base language from which all European languages have derived. That means if Illyrian was not related to Albanian , but Albanian is the mother of Illyrian language. Do you see the contradiction?
 
I have to admit this made me smile :embarassed:[/QUOTE
Slavs brought the dark age in the Ballkans. They are not known for hard science and civility. Dont you see what Vladimir is doing to Ucraine, or miloshevic?
 
You are completely delusional.

We are no longer in a time when people could just post absurd, idiotic speculations they pulled out of a hat.

Are you aware we have ancient dna now?

If you have proof of "Slavic" dna in the Chalcolithic Balkans, present it. Otherwise, be quiet.

Can the rest of you just ignore this poster? Reasonable people can disagree when looking at the same facts, but what is to be gained from debating with someone ignorant of even the basics of genetics, linguistics, you name it?
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Vladimir was a slav. As such his work is discredited. Austrian scholars also emphasized that Albanian language is the base language from which all European languages have derived. That means if Illyrian was not related to Albanian , but Albanian is the mother of Illyrian language. Do you see the contradiction?
Slavs(not all) twist history in every way they can. Remember, they are many and if they could twist it alittle further, they would make Slavs native to France, Britain and Norway.
 
Slavs(not all) twist history in every way they can. Remember, they are many and if they could twist it alittle further, they would make Slavs native to France, Britain and Norway.
Please stop with the Serbian I am 1/8 Serbian
 
According to the mindset of the Serbians who share ignorant, obsolete views on Albanians:

We Albanians were supposedly brought with ships from Arabia->Sicily->Albania and mixed with the "native megalithic Slavs" and Greeks of Albania. <----This is according to their twisted historical view they present in every forum related to anthropology and DNA.

The Serbian wikipedia also states the same thing.
Google translate helps deciphering the Slavic Megalithic Cyrillic Hieroglyphs:

https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Албанци
No that's according to GED match not my opinion an opinion would be All Albanians descend from Illyrians
 
Vladimir Orel places Albanian around the southern Carpathians, much in agreement with the Austrian scholars.
Origin of the name Carpathian mountains is explained through Albanian language,likewise the Beskids mountains pastures in the Carpathians.

Carpathians- Albanian word karpë (rock),word found in Bulgarian and Macedonian,likely Thraco-Dacian substrate.

Beskids- like in Albanian bjeshkë (mountain, mountain pasture)

The Beskids or Beskid Mountains is a traditional name for a series of mountain ranges in the Carpathians
 
No that's according to GED match not my opinion an opinion would be All Albanians descend from Illyrians
Albanians are not mixed, Serbians are:

Think Avars.. Huns.. Turqs..
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If Albanian was spoken in Moesia how did Albanian get 7% of its vocabulary from Doric Greek?
it is based on Epirote language
Until the middle of the second millennium BC, the Proto-Italo-Celto-Illyro-Thraco-Dacian was a single language. After that some phonological change appeared in different dialects of this proto-language. Namely in the dialect from the middle of this group from which evolved the Continental Celtic and the Oscan and Umbrian, the labiovelar (kʷ, gʷ) turned into bi-labials (p, b). The innovations affects all these languages (one should remember that the forefathers of Oscans and Umbrians migrated from the upper Danube valley into the Italian peninsula) (see ultra).
In the eastern vicinity of this group there was the Thraco-Illyrian group which did the same thing, but only to the labiovelars followed by back vowels (*a, *o), while the labiovelars followed by a front vowel (e, i) were palatalized along with regular velar sounds. One may conclude that in Thraco-Illyrian the phenomenon of palatalization before a front vowel took place in about the same time as the one of the bi-labialization of the labiovelars. I should emphasize that bi-labialization of labiovelars did not reach the peripheral dialects such as Insular Celtic, Latino-Faliscan and Epirote dialect (from which Proto-Albanian evolved) (see ultra). I should also mention that the palatalization of velars followed by a front vowel affects all velars (and dentals) and it has nothing to do with the distinction centum/satem.

Ancient and Medieval historians consider Illyrian as Thraco-Dacian (Strabo), while Suidas Lexicon (10th century AD) states that “Illyrians [are] Barbarian Thracians” (illírioi barbároi thrákoi). Today, there is a general confusion regarding the relationship between these languages. Some linguists believe that they are related languages, while others believe that they are different since Illyrian was a centum language, while Thraco-Dacian was a satem language. However, a comparison between Thraco-Dacian and Illyrian glosses indicates that they were dialects of the same language or very close related languages. Although Albanian has a series of common phonological and syntactic features with Romanian, there are some important differences as well. The Epirotes of ancient times lived where Albanians live today.
Epirots were not Illyrians proper. Illyrians proper were those from Illyria, Dalmatia, and the two Pannonias. In modern Albanian, there is no labialization of Proto-Indo-European labiovelars as in Thraco-Dacian, Illyrian, Osco-Umbrian, and Continental Celtic. Thus, PIE *kwetwor ‘four’ > Albanian katër ‘id’ or PIE *wl̥kwos ‘wolf’ < Albanian ulk ‘id’ since it was peripheral as it was the case with the Q-dialects of the Italic and Celtic groups.
 
I think there has also not been enough work into the "Dalmatian" language. There is comparatively much more research into the Romanian Albanian pre-Latin substrate. Yet i still have not seen similar Dalmatian - Albanian substrates investigated. This is obviously made harder by the fact that it's now extinct and the Dalmatian speakers were absorbed by Croatians. But my suspicions are that the pre-Latin substrate would have been in the Albanoid continuum just like the Romanian substrate.

Also, this comparative lack of material to work with on the Dalmatian side can shift analysis of Albanian more "east" if we only have Romanian references to work with.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language
+1 right at it.
 
Albanians are not mixed, Serbians are:

Think Avars.. Huns.. Turqs..
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I personally don't have any of that, I don't have any non European dna 1 percent or above all of my North African Sub Saharan Eastern East Asian etc is much much less than 1 percent.
 
Just because a person doesn't descend from Illyrians that doesn't make them non European Serbians are not mixed any more than any other known ethnic European group.
 
Just because a person doesn't descend from Illyrians that doesn't make them non European Serbians are not mixed any more than any other known ethnic European group.
Montenegrins and part of South Serbs -> Serbianized Albanians

North Serbs -> Serbianized Hungarians and Swabians

East Serbs -> Serbianized Romanians

Serbians assimilated alot of Vlachs over the place aswell. Even in Bosnia the Serbs there are Serbianized Vlachs.

Originally Serbians weren't a mountain-dwelling folk, but consisted mostly of lowland farmers, assimilating mountain-dwellers such as Albanians and Vlachs.
 
I personally don't have any of that, I don't have any non European dna 1 percent or above all of my North African Sub Saharan Eastern East Asian etc is much much less than 1 percent.
Noone cares, as you're a creole with radical Serbian views. You could be a martian and noone would care.
 
Noone cares, as you're a creole with radical Serbian views. You could be a martian and noone would care.
What on earth have I said that's pro Serbian against your posts and your friends posts that are all Pro Albanian?

No one cares if Albanians are European or not and no one cares if you all descend from Illyrians
 
So you and the Austrian authors claim that Albanian is not a descendant of Illyria and is linked to Messapian. Okay. But then where does Albanian come from linguistically, which is the ancient linguistic group it derives from or is most closely related to? Some alternative scenario should be proposed, not just denying the Illyrian links.

I have read a pretty sensible (to me) text about other possibilities for the origin of Albanian, and its basic point is that the very Albanian-like substrate in Romanian, the heavy Latin and more specifically Eastern Proto-Romance and many other linguistic and historical factors could indicate that the ancestor of Albanian was spoken in Moesia or somewhere near it in more lowland areas, in present-day Southern Serbia, in close contact with Romanized people before the Slavic and other migrations pressured people out onto the mountainous areas. But then the question would be what Moesian was like, whether it was Daco-Thracian or Illyrian or maybe a separate buffer branch between them.

I actually doubt very much that the entire Balkans had only four native languages during the Roman Empire: Thracian, Dacian, Illyrian and Greek. We should not trust ancient authors to be linguists or even people very interested in the correct linguistic affiliation of foreigners, particularly those they saw as barbarians. People lump together all ethnicities whose language and culture seem broadly similar even today, to the point they make gross mistakes like calling Turks and Iranians "Arabs". I doubt that was not the case in Antiquity.

So in my opinion one should be a bit careful to dismiss any links with Illyrian or with any of the other main linguistic groups identified by the ancient historiography. Those may have been generic terms to make things simpler, roughly like "the Slavs" even if they speak different Slavic languages.

So in my opinion noticeable differences between Albanian and Illyrian, countered by some apparent cognates, may simply indicate that it was actually a branch of related languages, not one common language. Or it could be, as there are also in my opinion plausible evidences to support this, a Central Balkanic language with unknown affiliations, but possibly related to Thracian or Dacian (but then the links with Messapian in South Italy on the other side of the Adriatic would become a bit more challenging to explain).
According to Bulgarian Thracologists Baltic and Thracian are linked and one live on the Baltic the others lived on the Aegean,they were neither genetically similar for sure.
No one claim Baltic was on the Balkans.Links between IE languages exists among some more among some less.
 
As for the other question anyone can Google Megalithic migration to the Balkans in Europe the Thracians/Illyrians were pre historic Slavs or Romance Slav mix anything else including in the Middle Ages were done by Slavs and others

But there isn't anything about it online so I can't prove it apart from watching historical videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENGisRZ1iME

West Balkans: Megaliths, Pirates, Cannibals, Bosnian pyramid, Mysterious Opera House


Can't people even manage to do that a 30 second search for Megalithic South Eastern Europe/West Balkans?
 
According to Bulgarian Thracologists Baltic and Thracian are linked and one live on the Baltic the others lived on the Aegean,they were neither genetically similar for sure.
No one claim Baltic was on the Balkans.Links between IE languages exists among some more among some less.
Thracians are were South East European Balts are mainly North East
 
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