Classify Me/Where can I Pass

[qh777]

Eurogenes K13 Results

MyHeritage raw data

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Southeast_English	4.08
2	Southwest_English	4.24
3	South_Dutch	4.8
4	Orcadian	5.51
5	Irish	5.85
6	West_Scottish	6.09
7	West_German	6.33
8	North_Dutch	6.72
9	Danish	7.34
10	North_German	7.64
11	French	8.87
12	Norwegian	9.15
13	Swedish	11.04
14	Austrian	13.1
15	East_German	14.08
16	Spanish_Cataluna	16
17	North_Swedish	16.54
18	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	17.01
19	Southwest_French	17.14
20	Spanish_Galicia	17.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1		60.7%	Irish	+	39.3%	French	@	1.47
2		77.1%	Irish	+	22.9%	Spanish_Extremadura	@	1.53
3		75.7%	Irish	+	24.3%	Portuguese	@	1.6
4		75.4%	Irish	+	24.6%	Spanish_Galicia	@	1.72
5		59.9%	West_Scottish	+	40.1%	French	@	1.74
6		80.5%	Irish	+	19.5%	North_Italian	@	1.76
7		76.9%	Irish	+	23.1%	Spanish_Murcia	@	1.85
8		79.9%	West_Scottish	+	20.1%	North_Italian	@	1.86
9		75.3%	Irish	+	24.7%	Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon	@	1.87
10		83.7%	Irish	+	16.3%	Tuscan	@	2.02
11		93.6%	Southwest_English	+	6.4%	Syrian	@	2.04
12		93.9%	Southwest_English	+	6.1%	Bedouin	@	2.04
13		74.3%	Irish	+	25.7%	Spanish_Cataluna	@	2.05
14		79%	Irish	+	21%	Spanish_Andalucia	@	2.05
15		83.2%	West_Scottish	+	16.8%	Tuscan	@	2.06
16		94.1%	Southwest_English	+	5.9%	Samaritan	@	2.07
17		77.3%	Irish	+	22.7%	Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha	@	2.09
18		94.2%	Southwest_English	+	5.8%	Lebanese_Christian	@	2.1
19		91%	Southwest_English	+	9%	Central_Greek	@	2.1
20		93.7%	Southwest_English	+	6.3%	Lebanese_Muslim	@	2.11

[FONT=&quot]Using 3 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.486707[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Using 4 populations approximation:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.486707[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.499469[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 1.562880[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Irish + Irish + Irish + Portuguese @ 1.605587[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 1.606639[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.651449[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Portuguese @ 1.723079[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.723345[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.750657[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 Irish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Galicia @ 1.773442[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 Danish + Irish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.775115[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.779287[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Irish + Irish + Portuguese + West_Scottish @ 1.787722[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 Irish + North_Dutch + Portuguese + West_Scottish @ 1.797216[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Irish + Irish + North_German + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.815672[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 North_Dutch + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 1.815977[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 1.820894[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia @ 1.829538[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Irish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 1.842192[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 Danish + Irish + Spanish_Extremadura + West_Scottish @ 1.854658

Illustrative Dna 23&me 2 way modern:

[/FONT][h=3]Fit: 1.719[/h][h=3]1.[/h]

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Irish70.7%

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Italian (Aosta Valley)29.3%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.734[/h][h=3]2.[/h]

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Irish76.7%

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Spanish (Navarre)23.3%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.746[/h][h=3]3.[/h]

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Irish68.8%

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Swiss (French)31.2%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.747[/h][h=3]4.[/h]

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Scottish78.6%

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Spanish (Navarre)21.4%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.756[/h][h=3]5.[/h]

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French Occitan (Provence)27.8%

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Irish72.2%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.758[/h][h=3]6.[/h]

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French Oïl (Ile-de-France)45.9%

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Irish54.1%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.777[/h][h=3]7.[/h]

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Italian (Aosta Valley)26.7%

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Scottish73.3%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.781[/h][h=3]8.[/h]

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Irish78.3%

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Spanish (Murcia)21.7%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.788[/h][h=3]9.[/h]

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Corsican16.9%

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Irish83.1%

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[h=3]Fit: 1.797[/h][h=3]10.[/h]

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Scottish71.6%

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Swiss (French)28.4%

 

[qh777]

Do you all think my appearance fits the above results? It’s fascinating to me that one user guessed north Italian and others French and that’s what some of the two way combinations assign on various admixture calculators. Some of the combos assign Spanish consistently.

 

[calf]

I didn't read anyone's guess and i looked at only your photos . I am not an expert but i am gonna say circassian/ turkish/ Balkan [emoji51] .?

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[qh777]

I didn't read anyone's guess and i looked at only your photos . I am not an expert but i am gonna say circassian/ turkish/ Balkan [emoji51] .?

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Thanks for the response! I haven't paid much attention to whether clicking on a thread for the first time directs one to the beginning. Otherwise, you would have seen what my tests have revealed. Was I right about you?

 

[calf]

Thanks for the response! I haven't paid much attention to whether clicking on a thread for the first time directs one to the beginning. Otherwise, you would have seen what my tests have revealed. Was I right about you?

I see your DNA results ,and i still think you look more typical of what i guessed(western asia/ southeast Europe)but i have seen people that look more or less like you in photos from a friend from that lives in Belgium . You seem more exotic for a Western European. So i pick Belgium or France as more likely your looks come from. But like i said before i am not an expert like some here.

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[calf]

Thanks for the response! I haven't paid much attention to whether clicking on a thread for the first time directs one to the beginning. Otherwise, you would have seen what my tests have revealed. Was I right about you?

I have English, Danish/ Swedish DNA predominantly.

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[qh777]

I have English, Danish/ Swedish DNA predominantly.

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Interesting! That's cool that I was mostly right. Your outward appearance fits in my opinion to your ancestry.

 

[qh777]

I see your DNA results ,and i still think you look more typical of what i guessed(western asia/ southeast Europe)but i have seen people that look more or less like you in photos from a friend from that lives in Belgium . You seem more exotic for a Western European. So i pick Belgium or France as more likely your looks come from. But like i said before i am not an expert like some here.

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Yes, I have seen a couple of users assign some Mediterranean specifically north Italian. What I find amazing is that it shows up in some of the admix tests I've done. For example:

Target: qh777_23&me_scaled
Distance: 0.0050% / 0.00499669 | R5P
63.9 Irish
10.4 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
9.7 Italian_Emilia
8.7 Dutch
7.3 Spanish_Lleida


Target: qh777_23&me_scaled
Distance: 0.0052% / 0.00522424 | R4P
64.5 Irish
13.1 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
12.8 Italian_Emilia
9.6 Dutch

Some assign Spanish or Spanish/Basque:

Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0044% / 0.00443533 | R7P | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.3 Irish
9.6 Danish
9.2 Spanish_Navarra
6.9 Swiss_French
5.1 French_Chalosse
4.4 Spanish_Biscay
2.5 Spanish_Lleida


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0043% / 0.00425758 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.4 Irish
14.8 Basque_Biscay
13.5 Danish
5.3 Basque_Baztan
3.0 BedouinB


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0046% / 0.00463469 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.9 Irish
15.1 Spanish_Alacant
13.2 Danish
8.8 Basque_Biscay


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0050% / 0.00499199 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.5 Irish
17.9 German
16.6 Spanish_Alacant


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0060% / 0.00598060 | R2P
76.3 Irish
23.7 Spanish_Biscay

Some lighting in those photos make my skin look more tanned than it is. If I spent more time in the sun with lower spf sunscreen I could get that tanned in the face. I'd say my true skin tone is something like the bottom 3 photos in my first post.

 

[qh777]

You are mixed enough concerning types- seemingly meso-dolichocephalic, meso-chamaepropose (rather relatively broad and low face) but more than a kind of gracilized 'croma' type you cold have some ties with the Coon's 'longbarrows type' (hyperdolicho but with arather broad face spite small compared to the skull), a type with 'croma'+ some 'easter-mediter' accretions, of middle to late Neolithic for the most in Britain (todate some weight among Welshmen) who showed on the NW Atlantic shores until Scandinavia in small proportions. I speak of ties but you are hard to define globally concerning every typologic element. Your subnasal prognathy is over the mean of most of types, it's rather a 'mediter' trait; your nose bridge is over the level one: some CHG/Iran???. I suppose you have brownish(green eyes or brownish dark grey eyes, and a rather fair skin (uneasy on pics)? ATW as a whole you could pass very well in France, West or not, it would have been my first guess if I didn't know your background. One of the mixes produced by Steppic people with different 'mediters' (here I don't take too much risk). Nothing of the typical "atlant-mediter' (long face) nor of the 'nordic', for the usefulness these descriptions could have. Amateur's guesses.

According to Illustrative dna I could be your genetic neighbor Moesan.

#	POPULATION	DISTANCE
1	Breton	1.987
2	Welsh	2.129
3	Cornish	2.165
4	English	2.193
5	Scottish	2.400
6	Dutch	2.455
7	Belgian	2.480
8	Orcadian	2.511
9	Irish	2.548
10	French Oïl (Ile-de-France)	2.794

Ancestry raw data upload. Very similar to raw data from 23&me.

 

[calf]

Yes, I have seen a couple of users assign some Mediterranean specifically north Italian. What I find amazing is that it shows up in some of the admix tests I've done. For example:

Target: qh777_23&me_scaled
Distance: 0.0050% / 0.00499669 | R5P
63.9 Irish
10.4 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
9.7 Italian_Emilia
8.7 Dutch
7.3 Spanish_Lleida


Target: qh777_23&me_scaled
Distance: 0.0052% / 0.00522424 | R4P
64.5 Irish
13.1 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
12.8 Italian_Emilia
9.6 Dutch

Some assign Spanish or Spanish/Basque:

Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0044% / 0.00443533 | R7P | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.3 Irish
9.6 Danish
9.2 Spanish_Navarra
6.9 Swiss_French
5.1 French_Chalosse
4.4 Spanish_Biscay
2.5 Spanish_Lleida


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0043% / 0.00425758 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.4 Irish
14.8 Basque_Biscay
13.5 Danish
5.3 Basque_Baztan
3.0 BedouinB


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0046% / 0.00463469 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.9 Irish
15.1 Spanish_Alacant
13.2 Danish
8.8 Basque_Biscay


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0050% / 0.00499199 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.5 Irish
17.9 German
16.6 Spanish_Alacant


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0060% / 0.00598060 | R2P
76.3 Irish
23.7 Spanish_Biscay

Some lighting in those photos make my skin look more tanned than it is. If I spent more time in the sun with lower spf sunscreen I could get that tanned in the face. I'd say my true skin tone is something like the bottom 3 photos in my first post.

Where can i try these? Also I realize something. Maybe in the same way that you see a little Russian in me and I see some Western Asian in you, maybe they have to do with ancient phenotypes admixture . Because I do not have any Russian modern DNA and I guess you do not have any modern Western Asian DNA.Like maybe you have a a good amount of early European farmer DNA, and I might have some cordedware? Not sure

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[calf]

Interesting! That's cool that I was mostly right. Your outward appearance fits in my opinion to your ancestry.

On time my friends were in their house and they saw two men in their driveway but at a distance. They thought I was one of those guys and they were confused because they didn't know why I would be standing out in their driveway with the other man. When the two men approached more closer they realized it was not me. The man they thought was me was a man who had a Finnish dad and a swedish mom. He was visiting the USA from Sweden. Another guy from this group here ,who lives in Gothenburg Sweden, said that he thinks that I look like both Danish and Finnish. [emoji1745]

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[calf]

Yes, I have seen a couple of users assign some Mediterranean specifically north Italian. What I find amazing is that it shows up in some of the admix tests I've done. For example:

Target: qh777_23&me_scaled
Distance: 0.0050% / 0.00499669 | R5P
63.9 Irish
10.4 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
9.7 Italian_Emilia
8.7 Dutch
7.3 Spanish_Lleida


Target: qh777_23&me_scaled
Distance: 0.0052% / 0.00522424 | R4P
64.5 Irish
13.1 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
12.8 Italian_Emilia
9.6 Dutch

Some assign Spanish or Spanish/Basque:

Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0044% / 0.00443533 | R7P | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.3 Irish
9.6 Danish
9.2 Spanish_Navarra
6.9 Swiss_French
5.1 French_Chalosse
4.4 Spanish_Biscay
2.5 Spanish_Lleida


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0043% / 0.00425758 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.4 Irish
14.8 Basque_Biscay
13.5 Danish
5.3 Basque_Baztan
3.0 BedouinB


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0046% / 0.00463469 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.9 Irish
15.1 Spanish_Alacant
13.2 Danish
8.8 Basque_Biscay


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0050% / 0.00499199 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.5 Irish
17.9 German
16.6 Spanish_Alacant


Target: qh777_ancestrydna_scaled
Distance: 0.0060% / 0.00598060 | R2P
76.3 Irish
23.7 Spanish_Biscay

Some lighting in those photos make my skin look more tanned than it is. If I spent more time in the sun with lower spf sunscreen I could get that tanned in the face. I'd say my true skin tone is something like the bottom 3 photos in my first post.

My guesses were from your physical features . [emoji112]

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[qh777]

What you saw was from Vahaduo. Oracle (promotopic.com) First you take your raw dna file from ancestry or any other dna ancestry testing service and upload it to ILLUSTRATIVE DNA – Home you do have to pay for it. One file is 26.99 euros. After 1-3 days your results are ready and you can download your scaled g25 coordinates. It will look like this:

qh777_ancestrydna_scaled,0.130897,0.138112,0.056945,0.034884,0.040007,0.011156,-0.005875,0.003923,0.004909,0.008018,-0.008931,0.009741,-0.009366,-0.020093,0.022394,0.009546,-0.005085,0.000507,0.003771,0.002876,0.011105,0.004946,-0.004067,0.015183,0.001557

On Illustrativedna you can compare yourself to ancient and modern populations with 2 way and 3 way combinations. I'll post a couple examples of my results from my Ancestrydna raw data below.

Here's an example of what the g25 samples will look like:

Denmark_EarlyViking.SG:VK297_noUDG.SG,0.130897,0.122879,0.07467,0.066861,0.045855,0.02761,0.011281,0.010615,0.005113,-0.013485,-0.005684,-0.009292,-0.006541,0.000275,0.020222,-0.002254,-0.023339,0.002154,0.003268,-0.003001,0.008235,0.003957,-0.00456,0.006025,-0.000359
Denmark_IA.SG:VK521_noUDG.SG,0.130897,0.131003,0.070899,0.063631,0.0437,0.023148,0.00235,0.014538,0.011044,-0.010752,-0.003897,0.006444,-0.002825,-0.00234,0.021037,0.00053,-0.023208,0.006334,0.006034,0.007253,0.011979,0.011129,-0.001479,0.008314,-0.002036
England_IA:I12772,0.130897,0.131003,0.064488,0.060401,0.041546,0.016733,-0.000705,0.010384,0.005727,0.002187,-0.009581,0.001499,-0.010704,-0.013487,0.019272,0.010607,-0.00339,-0.004181,0.00176,0.006003,0.004866,0.009521,-0.004437,0.007953,-0.002515
England_MIA:I14549,0.12862,0.136081,0.056945,0.048773,0.031698,0.015339,0.00235,0.006231,0.004295,0.006743,-0.010068,0.007343,-0.024083,-0.021332,0.025651,0.008884,-0.005346,0.003294,0.003645,0,0.007861,0.005193,0.000616,0.000482,-0.005628
Estonia_BA.SG:s19_0LS11_1_noUDG.SG,0.144555,0.114755,0.098051,0.097546,0.062781,0.042112,0.014101,0.015692,-0.001023,-0.04647,0.008119,-0.025477,0.047571,0.036883,-0.026194,0.017104,0.018123,-0.009375,0.006034,0.027513,-0.006114,-0.006801,0.013064,-0.01687,0.008861
France_EBA:I10342,0.126344,0.13405,0.06675,0.043928,0.038161,0.011156,-0.003525,-0.000462,0.011658,0.013485,-0.000325,0.002698,-0.00996,-0.022295,0.010858,0.014452,0.00691,-0.000253,0.002011,0.003752,0.002371,0.004081,-0.011832,-0.001807,-0.00012

I keep my coords on a text document on my desktop along with the 7,000 plus g25 ancient samples and over 9,000 g25 modern samples
There is a way to generate simulated g25 coordinates based off eurogenes k13 and k36 calculators but the simulated are not as accurate as the paid for coordinates. You can get the eurogenes results by uploading your raw dna data to Gedmatch.com.
If Duarte is still lurking around this thread perhaps he can shoot a link to where these samples are from

Example of 2 way ancient populations to my Ancestrydna raw data from Illustrative dna:


Fit: 1.747

1.

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89.2% 10.8%

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Insular Celt (Brigantes)


Archaic Greek









Fit: 1.813

2.

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92.4% 7.6%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Archaic Greek









Fit: 1.834

3.

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95.6% 4.4%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Arab (Umayyad Period)









Fit: 1.836

4.

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94.7% 5.3%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Canaanite (Baqah)









Fit: 1.840

5.

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83.7% 16.3%

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Insular Celt (Brigantes)


Daunian (Messapic)









Fit: 1.840

6.

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95.1% 4.9%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Egyptian (Late Period)









Fit: 1.856

7.

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94.8% 5.2%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Phoenician (Assyrian Period)









Fit: 1.856

8.

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92.6% 7.4%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Classical Greek (Himera)









Fit: 1.859

9.

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94.7% 5.3%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Levantine (Early Roman Period)









Fit: 1.859

10.

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95% 5%

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Insular Celt (Parisi)


Canaanite (Hazor)

 

[qh777]

View attachment 14039 When one reads the info it says the chart represents a union of all his/her deep dive matches weighted per total SNPs he/she shares and the sample classification.

 

[qh777]

I see your DNA results ,and i still think you look more typical of what i guessed(western asia/ southeast Europe)but i have seen people that look more or less like you in photos from a friend from that lives in Belgium . You seem more exotic for a Western European. So i pick Belgium or France as more likely your looks come from. But like i said before i am not an expert like some here.

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When you say West Asia do you mean the middle east as a whole or the northern part of the middle east such as Turkey, Armenia/Caucasus region, Azerbaijan, and Iran?
That's what ethnicity estimates tend to do on websites. The companies tend to split up the whole middle east region into West Asia, Near East/Levant, Southwest Asia.

 

[qh777]

Would be curious to see what Jovialis and Angela think. I would have chimed in on Jovialis' thread but he or some other moderator locked it

 

[calf]

When you say West Asia do you mean the middle east as a whole or the northern part of the middle east such as Turkey, Armenia/Caucasus region, Azerbaijan, and Iran?
That's what ethnicity estimates tend to do on websites. The companies tend to split up the whole middle east region into West Asia, Near East/Levant, Southwest Asia.

Turkey, Armenia/Caucasus region, Azerbaijan, and Iran ... that area...and southeast Europe...balkans /Greece

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[qh777]

If there any new thread visitors go ahead do one population guess for me. But for anyone else like the oracle on Eurogenes, mdlp, and Dodecad. Guess the mix by 2, 3, and 4 populations.

 

[qh777]

Fit: 1.719​

1.​

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Irish70.7%

Italian (Aosta Valley)29.3%

Fit: 1.734​

2.​

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Irish76.7%

Spanish (Navarre)23.3%

Fit: 1.746​

3.​

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Irish68.8%

Swiss (French)31.2%

Fit: 1.747​

4.​

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Scottish78.6%

Spanish (Navarre)21.4%

Fit: 1.756​

5.​

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French Occitan (Provence)27.8%

Irish72.2%

With the 2 way combinations IllustrativeDNA thinks I'm majority Irish or Scottish.

 

[qh777]

Celt + Celtic Dobunni (6.001)
Celt + Anglo Saxon (6.141)
Celt + Briton (6.569)
Celt + Gael (6.846)
Celt (6.854)
Briton + Anglo Saxon (7.195)
Briton (7.893)
Anglo Saxon (8.053)
Celtic Dobunni (8.764)
Gael (8.985)





Deep Dive Breakdown:



Should I get that Celtic Knot tattoo I've always wanted? haha