That's interesting because that's what 2-way ancient admix calculators like to assign. By now you've probably seen my other posts where I've linked the results in this thread.
With ethnivision ChatGPT let’s see what it says.
All these vague descriptions added to the real aspect of your face show the little confidence we may have in these pseudo-analysis: the only serious common trait we can find is tied to the concept of 'gracility' but this trait itself has to be put in a context: today (and it began long time ago) there is a trend towards gracility in all types, with a lost of head size particularly. This doesn't erase totally the ancient differences between types but complicate things. Concerning colours and hues, I 'm amazed people don't know we cannot rely on isolated pics!With ethnivision ChatGPT let’s see what it says.
Ethnicity predictions?
Based on the image provided, the individual appears to have a light skin tone, which suggests a likely classification as South European or Middle Eastern. The features do not strongly indicate any other specific ethnic background.
What ethnicity am I?
ChatGPT said:
Determining your exact ethnicity based solely on appearance is challenging, as physical traits can overlap significantly across different regions due to the complex history of human migration and genetic mixing. However, based on your features as discussed—dark hair, light to medium skin tone, defined facial structure, and Mediterranean traits—you likely have an ancestry that includes one or more of the following regions:
Your ancestry could be a blend of these regions, reflecting the interconnected nature of populations around the Mediterranean and adjacent areas. To pinpoint your exact ethnic background, a detailed family history or genetic testing would provide a more accurate picture, as visual assessment alone can't capture the full complexity of an individual's heritage.
- Southern European: Countries like Italy, Greece, Spain, and Portugal, where these traits are commonly observed.
- Middle Eastern: This could include countries like Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, and Israel, where Mediterranean and Middle Eastern features blend.
- Balkan: Albania, Serbia, and Croatia often share similar features, reflecting a mix of European and Mediterranean influences.
- Caucasus Region: Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan, where Mediterranean and Middle Eastern traits frequently overlap.
- North African (Coastal): Especially in places like Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, where Mediterranean features are common due to historical European and Middle Eastern influences.
- Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jewish: These communities often exhibit Mediterranean and Eastern European traits, including those seen in your appearance.
Ancestry guesses?
ChatGPT said:
Based on the visual characteristics of the individual, potential ancestry guesses could include a mix of the following:
These guesses reflect the broader genetic diversity found in Southern Europe and the surrounding regions, suggesting a blend rather than a specific pinpointed ancestry.
- Southern European Ancestry: Likely from countries such as Italy, Greece, Spain, or Portugal, where the combination of light skin, dark hair, and defined facial features are common.
- Balkan Ancestry: Possible links to Albania, Croatia, Serbia, or Bosnia, where similar Mediterranean and South European traits are observed.
- Middle Eastern Influence: There could also be a minor Middle Eastern or Eastern Mediterranean influence, particularly from countries like Turkey or Lebanon, where similar facial structures and coloring are often seen.
Expanding further on potential ethnicity guesses, here are some additional possibilities based on the observed features:
These additional guesses highlight the shared characteristics across a wide range of regions, reflecting the genetic and cultural diversity of Mediterranean and adjacent areas.
- Spanish (particularly Basque or Catalan): These regions have distinct facial features that can include a Mediterranean look with light skin and dark hair, fitting the individual’s appearance.
- Portuguese: Similar Mediterranean and Atlantic features, common in both northern and southern regions of Portugal, align well with the individual’s look.
- Italian (Sicilian or Southern Italy): Sicily and Southern Italy have a rich mix of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern influences, matching the observed features.
- Greek (including Crete or other islands): Greece, particularly its islands, exhibits a blend of European and Middle Eastern traits with dark hair and defined features.
- Maltese: Malta has a unique mix of Southern European and North African ancestry, leading to Mediterranean features similar to those observed.
- Cypriot (Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot): The blend of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern characteristics is common in Cyprus, fitting well with the individual’s appearance.
- Levantine Arab (Jordanian, Palestinian, or Syrian): This region often features similar skin tone and facial features, blending Mediterranean and Middle Eastern ancestry.
Could the person in the photo be classified as having the gracile Mediterranean phenotype?
ChatGPT said:
Yes, the individual in the photo could be classified as having the gracile Mediterranean phenotype. The gracile Mediterranean type is characterized by:
This phenotype is commonly found in regions surrounding the Mediterranean Sea, including Southern Europe (Italy, Greece, Spain), the Levant (Lebanon, Syria), and North Africa (particularly coastal areas). The features of the individual align well with these traits, supporting the classification within the gracile Mediterranean phenotype.
- Facial Structure: Typically includes an oval or slightly elongated face with a refined, delicate bone structure and moderate cheekbones. This description aligns well with the individual’s facial shape, which appears balanced and refined.
- Nose: A straight or slightly curved nose is common in the gracile Mediterranean phenotype, matching the individual's nasal features observed in the photo.
- Skin Tone: Usually ranges from light olive to medium, which fits the observed skin tone of the individual—light but with a hint of warmth that is often seen in Mediterranean populations.
- Hair and Eye Color: Dark hair and eyes are typical of this phenotype, which is consistent with the person’s appearance.
- Overall Build: The term "gracile" refers to a lighter, more slender build as opposed to more robust or heavyset forms seen in other Mediterranean subtypes.
Those weren't the only two photos that I had it look at. I had it analyze the bottom 2 plus the beginning photos from my original post and the lighting does vary a bit from all of them. I'm not sure if it has the capability to analyze people in video but I suspect it would come to the same conclusions. I pressed it on this and long story short it said European and human genetics in general are complicated. I won't share it unless you all want to see what it says. I wish that it would have gotten into more detail. It's fun little tool to play with when one is bored.
I submitted a photo of myself with two other people in the photo. I'm the "person on the left"
Their conceptions (too generalizing) of "southern Euro" or other people seems to me very surprising? Features harder among southern people as a whole? Not serious. ATW numerous subtypes exist which cannot be put in a so simplistic type of analysis. NO confidence, concerning MO.I submitted a photo of myself with two other people in the photo. I'm the "person on the left"
what are the ethnicities of the 3 people in the photo?
ChatGPT said:
Based on the visual appearance of the three individuals in the photo:
These assessments are based solely on visual cues and may not accurately represent their actual ethnic backgrounds.
- Person on the left: Appears to be South European or Middle Eastern, with light to medium skin tone and dark hair.
- Person in the middle: Appears to be Caucasian, with light skin tone, facial hair, and wearing a cap.
- Person on the right: Appears to be Caucasian, with light skin tone, and wearing glasses and a cap.
ignore the hairstyle, hair color, skin tone and eye color. Still come to southern European or middle eastern guess?
ChatGPT said:
Ignoring hairstyle, hair color, skin tone, and eye color, the identification of the person on the left as possibly Southern European or Middle Eastern is still suggested by other facial characteristics and structural elements:
These combined structural elements still support a Southern European or Middle Eastern guess, independent of hair, skin, or eye color considerations. However, it’s important to note that these are generalized observations and individual variation is always significant.
- Facial Structure:
- The person's face exhibits certain sharpness and angularity, with defined cheekbones and a jawline that is slightly pronounced. These features are common among individuals from Southern Europe and the Middle East, where facial bones often present with more pronounced contours.
- Nose Shape:
- The nose appears slightly more defined and prominent, a characteristic often observed in people of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern descent. This trait can differ from the smaller or more delicate nasal shapes commonly seen in Northern European populations.
- Eyebrow Shape and Density:
- Even without considering color, the thickness and arch of the eyebrows suggest Mediterranean influence, where brows are typically fuller and more prominent.
- Facial Symmetry and Proportions:
- The balance between facial features, such as the spacing of the eyes, the width of the face, and the proportional alignment of the nose and mouth, align with Southern European or Middle Eastern phenotypes, which often showcase balanced but slightly wider facial proportions compared to the narrower, more elongated features typical of Northern European ancestry.
- Jawline and Chin:
- His jawline has a slightly rounded yet strong shape, without the squarer, heavier set often seen in Northern Europeans, aligning more with Mediterranean aesthetics.
Eye shape also taken into account?
ChatGPT said:
Yes, eye shape is an important feature that can also contribute to the assessment of someone's ethnicity, and it plays a role in identifying possible Southern European or Middle Eastern descent for the person on the left. Here’s how eye shape factors into the analysis:
These aspects of eye shape and positioning contribute to the overall assessment of the person’s possible ethnic background, reinforcing the Southern European or Middle Eastern guess even when ignoring other features like hair color or skin tone.
- Almond Shape:
- The individual’s eyes appear to have an almond shape, which is a common feature among Southern Europeans and Middle Eastern populations. This shape is often characterized by a slightly elongated eye that tapers at the corners, giving a subtle lift or slant that contrasts with the more rounded or deep-set eyes often seen in Northern Europeans.
- Eye Position and Set:
- The eyes seem relatively close-set with a slight tilt upwards or sideways, which is often found in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern individuals. This feature can give the eyes a distinctive, slightly intense or focused look that is less common in other European populations.
- Eyelid Structure:
- The presence of slightly fuller eyelids or less pronounced creases can also be an indicator, as this is more frequently observed in people from Middle Eastern and Mediterranean regions compared to the more pronounced eyelid folds typical of Northern European ancestry.
- Overall Eye Expression:
- The combination of shape, set, and subtle brow structure often gives the eyes an expressive or deep-set appearance that aligns with the ethnic characteristics of Southern Europe and the Middle East.
Nose details?
ChatGPT said:
When considering the nose structure of the person on the left, several characteristics can hint towards Southern European or Middle Eastern descent:
These specific nose details help support the identification of the person on the left as having Southern European or Middle Eastern ancestry, based on commonly observed regional nasal features.
- Nose Bridge:
- The nose bridge appears slightly higher and more defined, which is a common trait among individuals of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern descent. This feature contrasts with the flatter nose bridges often seen in Northern and some Western European populations.
- Nose Shape and Contour:
- The overall shape of the nose is slightly prominent with a straight or subtly curved profile. This type of contour, which is neither completely straight nor sharply upturned, is frequently seen in Southern European and Middle Eastern ethnicities, where the nose often has a pronounced presence without being overly large.
- Nasal Tip:
- The nasal tip appears to have a rounded yet slightly pointed appearance, which is common among Mediterranean populations. It is distinct from the broader or blunter nasal tips often found in Northern European descent.
- Nostril Shape:
- The nostrils are oval or slightly flared, rather than perfectly round or tight. This subtle flaring can be indicative of Middle Eastern and Southern European traits, as opposed to the narrower nostrils that can appear in other European groups.
- Width of the Nose:
- The nose width is proportionate to the face but leans slightly towards being wider at the base, a feature that aligns more with Middle Eastern and Southern European characteristics. This contrasts with the narrower nasal width typical of many Northern European ancestries.
Any other features?
ChatGPT said:
Beyond the previously discussed characteristics (hair, skin tone, eye shape, and nose structure), other facial and physical features can also provide additional insights into the person's potential Southern European or Middle Eastern background:
These additional features, when considered alongside the others, reinforce the possibility of a Southern European or Middle Eastern background, highlighting the diverse and distinct facial structures characteristic of these regions.
- Cheekbone Prominence:
- The person on the left has moderately high and prominent cheekbones, which are commonly seen in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern populations. This prominence gives a slight angularity to the face, contrasting with the softer cheekbone contours often found in Northern European individuals.
- Jawline and Chin Shape:
- His jawline is defined but not overly broad, with a slightly rounded chin. This jaw structure is balanced and more refined compared to the squarer, heavier-set jawlines typical of Northern European descent. This type of jawline often complements the facial proportions seen in Southern European and Middle Eastern men.
- Lips:
- The lips appear fuller, particularly the lower lip, which is a common feature in many Mediterranean and Middle Eastern individuals. Fuller lips, especially when the upper lip has a defined cupid's bow, are traits that differ from the thinner lips commonly associated with other European ancestries.
- Facial Symmetry and Proportions:
- The overall facial symmetry, with balanced spacing of features and a slightly wider facial structure, aligns with what is often seen in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern populations. These proportions often give a more harmonious and compact look compared to the elongated faces typically found in Northern European groups.
- Expression and Facial Soft Tissue:
- There is often a distinctive expression, partly due to slightly more pronounced soft tissue around the mouth and cheeks, giving the face a subtle fullness. This contributes to the overall appearance associated with Southern European and Middle Eastern descent.
I'd guess Alpine area from west to east, first and foremost.
I don't know where they found complete enough physical descriptions for all these ancient people. Not serious, IMO. There waw not an unified type for southern European people of these times not more than for the current ones.
Even less so for "Mediterranean" peoples spanning 3 continents.
You are correct that there was no unified type. Such as there being of course blondes and red heads and individuals with light colored eyes in southern Europe and head/facial structures that would be more commonly associated with Northern/Northwest Europe. That I absolutely do not deny. However, traits it's observing in it's view tend to be more common in those regions due to movements of people across the Mediterranean since the neolithic. If it said I could pass as an upper paleolithic European hunter-gatherer then I'd say it needs some better analysis programming. Sometimes stereotypes of appearances can correctly point to a person's origin, but it's not 100% accurate due to overlap from the thousands of years of peoples mingling across West Eurasia for millennia. In a purely scientific sense one cannot rely solely on appearance. Anecdotally, I've personally seen people that fit within a particular region and actually having origins from there. And other times not. It's way too safe and boring to say "You look West Eurasian". It's simply fun to speculate. And for these type of threads to even exist, we must deviate a bit from current scientific understanding. In these sort of thread topics people often ask to be classified with outdated anthropological terminology and asked to be passed like I did in the first post.
