Politics EU Frontex and Illegal immigration,

LeBrok said:
Snooped? By Eupedia's rule you have to disclose your location. Again, in this department, you are shifty too. Makes me think that you are illegally in Spain, therefore afraid of disclosing it.

You should know that, they accepted you, assuming you are legally there.
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As if I care what sad self-hating neotrotskyist in Canada thinks about me.
If you wanna go personal, let's go personal
 
LeBrok said:
I'm not sure if he will be particularly pleased with your statement. It denotes him as not really European. Regardless where geographically they are, most Georgians see themselves as Europeans. He is very touchy on this subject, so better apologies to him quickly, if you don't want to loose a friend.

I never questioned similarities or cultural differences or polices of countries involved in immigration matter. I have my opinion on these, but it is a different issue. I only questioned Kardu's lack of compassion to emigrants (among his many discriminatory treatments of peoples) in light of himself being an immigrant. I also questioned Yeto's exaggeration of immigration problem in Greece.
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What matters is ancestry and shared culture, not geography. So that silly joke is not funny.
 
LeBrok said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Germans or Swedes start lamenting about overwhelming immigration. Greeks don't have much of a reason yet. When I listened to you for these years, I had a mental picture in my head, that every second person in Greece is illegal immigrant.
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LeBrok said:
The initial argument was that Greece have very few refuges, when compared to other European countries. Do you have other information or statistics?
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When was your last visit to Greece?
 
epoch said:
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When was your last visit to Greece?
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Are you implying that my anecdotal experience will be more valid than Greek statistics?
 
LeBrok said:
Never.
Now don't avoid my question.
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Ah. Never. Good. Yes, I am indeed implying that anecdotal experience will be more valid than Greek statistics. No let me put it differently. I am absolutely sure. You clearly have a tad too much confidence in *any* official Greek statistic.
 
epoch said:
Ah. Never. Good. Yes, I am indeed implying that anecdotal experience will be more valid than Greek statistics. No let me put it differently. I am absolutely sure. You clearly have a tad too much confidence in *any* official Greek statistic.
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I wish I could have a closer look, and not in a very distant future. Though I'm realizing that such personal experience will vary from city to city, city district to city district, not mentioning villages. Keeping firm numbers on immigration, especially illegal immigration is a tricky business. For that reason I wouldn't mind what official government statistics, or university published paper, say on this subject. Even the Greek ones, and even with big uncertainty.

It might be the case that Greek's biggest immigration problem is with Albanians, and not with Near Eastern folks or SSA. Albanians are Europeans and very related to Greeks, but perhaps being Muslims they are very scary to Yetos? Anyway, to learn more on this subject, I was looking for some numbers. Unfortunately I'm not able to understand them from Yetos' posts. Lost in translation and statistics are in Greek.
 
LeBrok said:
I wish I could have a closer look, and not in a very distant future. Though I'm realizing that such personal experience will vary from city to city, city district to city district, not mentioning villages. Keeping firm numbers on immigration, especially illegal immigration is a tricky business. For that reason I wouldn't mind what official government statistics, or university published paper, say on this subject. Even the Greek ones, and even with big uncertainty.

It might be the case that Greek's biggest immigration problem is with Albanians, and not with Near Eastern folks or SSA. Albanians are Europeans and very related to Greeks, but perhaps being Muslims they are very scary to Yetos? Anyway, to learn more on this subject, I was looking for some numbers. Unfortunately I'm not able to understand them from Yetos' posts. Lost in translation and statistics are in Greek.
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the problem in Greece is not the origins, Albanians came for better money and now they leave, from 1 500 000 left only 600-800 000 after 2008 crisis,
and most Albanians today have gren/white cards, and they can come and work 3 months only with passport, due to the posiible entrance and connection with EU
most went to Massachusets Turkey and England
the problem is that Greece has immigrants, about 20 000 000 with 3rd generation in all over the world,
is having crisis, unemployment, and is accepting illegal immigrants, so the rest Europe accept legally the ones who are illegal in Greece,
I mean if in Greece exist 100 illegal and ask assylum for Greek Id and residence only 20 and the rest 80 ask for elsewhere EU that is not correct,
anyway, we get money from EU for that, but can not be continued, we do not want to be Ellis island,
refugge camps should not be only in Greece Malta and Italy, they should be all over Europe,
EU must share the weight, and not put laws that fits to some only,
Either the laws must be sink them all, either we share the Illegal immigration and build camps all over Europe, from Ireland to Lithuania
 
'Spain rejected on Monday an EU quota system to share the migrant burden among member states, saying it had already done more than its fair share to help asylum seekers.
Britain has opposed the quota system from the start, saying that while it will help with the humanitarian rescue mission at sea, all migrants must be taken to the nearest country for processing.
Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovakia have all taken a similar hardline stand, and were joined over the weekend by France.'

http://www.newsmax.com/world/europe/europe-migrants-spain-eu/2015/05/18/id/645201/
 
Kardu said:
'Spain rejected on Monday an EU quota system to share the migrant burden among member states, saying it had already done more than its fair share to help asylum seekers.
Britain has opposed the quota system from the start, saying that while it will help with the humanitarian rescue mission at sea, all migrants must be taken to the nearest country for processing.
Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Slovakia have all taken a similar hardline stand, and were joined over the weekend by France.'

http://www.newsmax.com/world/europe/europe-migrants-spain-eu/2015/05/18/id/645201/
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So much for the EU. It's a total joke in terms of any kind of equity of treatment of the member states, and the sooner Italy recognizes it the better in my opinion.

It should pass its own legislation for dealing with the situation, determining which people will be given political or religious assylum, and returning the others and illegal "economic" immigrants which it feels it cannot absorb to their country of origin. Every country has the right to defend its own borders. It would also be far less expensive than the alternative.
 
Angela said:
So much for the EU. It's a total joke in terms of any kind of equity of treatment of the member states, and the sooner Italy recognizes it the better in my opinion.

It should pass its own legislation for dealing with the situation, determining which people will be given political or religious assylum, and returning the others and illegal "economic" immigrants which it feels it cannot absorb to their country of origin. Every country has the right to defend its own borders. It would also be far less expensive than the alternative.
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do not worry it is a matter of time to see 10 000 000 green/white traveling Europe cards overpassing treaties,
they manage from (example) Pakistan to Italy, they can not manage more?
green/white card is more prosper to state than arrest and preserve
 
http://www.newsbeast.gr/greece/arthro/823313/anexelegti-i-katastasi-sti-mutilini/

ok it is in Greek,
what says ?
Monday and Tuesday, more than 1000 refugges pass to the island,
Tuesday more than 700 went to port police to be arrested!!!! from different directories, groups of 150-200
all had 500 E bills, something that in Greece is considered outrageous, since such banknotes are rare and never in use, the max in usage is 50 and sometimes 100 E

just in 1 night more than 1000 passed, 300 were arrested, and the rest 700 went to be arrested by their own will!!!!!

What Europe's border lines?
do they exist?

the rest are the handles and the decisions of local authorities on how should they act accomodating feeding, health care and place to sleep
 
Kardu said:
"Italy said Wednesday it had arrested a Moroccan illegal immigrant suspected of involvement in a deadly attack on a Tunis museum, fuelling a row over the threat of jihadists arriving in Europe by boat."

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=71423
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RHIPTO officers like Neleman conclude that this immigration is produced by ISIS/DAESH
all the profits of the modern slave merchants/traffick goes to DAESH and finally to gun industry,
 
It seems like the EU Commision has decided
in the next commision gathering the plan takes place
according that,
the last years illegal immigrants will stay in Greece and Italy,
but all newcomers will distribute to all EU countries according their population,

by the 4 months (Jan-Apr 2015) that gives today about 9000 illegal immigrants will transfer to Deutschland, about 830 to Hungary etc etc,
all assylum askers will distribut to EU countries, whitout the right to go abroad for a certain time, or to another country to habbit,
that means that an illegal immigrant that asked assylum in Portugal, might have to go to Latvia to live more than a few years and then go to Portugal,
the one that has not relief from that is Malta, since only newcoming illegal immigrants will be shared, and not the existed ones, but Malta's immigrants soon can have Green/white card

the number of Illegal immigrants in 2014 was about 600 000 in All EU,
meaning about 1,5% at one year, and seems to raise at 2015 to more than 2%,
considering that countries that had colonies like France Britain Netherlands reach about more than 25% non native population you understand what that means


The source in Greek

http://www.zougla.gr/kosmos/article...oun-i-posostosis-tis-katanomis-sta-krati-meli


in English

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/26/us-europe-migrants-eu-idUSKBN0OB1ZG20150526
 
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