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Famous E1b1b members

and the example: putin hitler vs Nasrallah show it extremely well

p.s
i now looked at ftdna the country frequency section of e-v13
so according to there current data base
and it is 2% in lebanon 13/652 so it is not 0% something like i thought before
it is definitely present in lebanon even if low % it still there

I made a long list for the country frequencies some time ago and actually E-V13:
E-V13-Frequencies-FTDNA.jpg


The main problem with the FTDNA numbers is the disproportiate number of Ashkenazi Jewish testers in some countries (especially those in orange) which sometimes completely skews the results. AJ have only one bigger E-V13 founder lineage, presumably from a Medieval European convert in Central Europe (E-BY77657). Because of that, any higher proportion of Jewish testers by country will usually decrease the frequency of E-V13 significantly, which is most notably for Romania, Hungary and Ukraine, which has way higher frequencies for the local ethnicity.

As you can see, a variety of Near Eastern states seem to have relatively higher levels of E-V13, including Qatar, Syria and Lebanon - just based on the FTDNA testing population of course, which might be not just skewed by Ashkenazi testers, but also by other ethnic, social or stochastic biases.

What's even more interesting however, is which branches of E-V13 are predominant in the Near Easterners. In the Arab world its a total dominance of the main South Thracian branch of E-BY5022. E-BY5022 is in no European country the dominant branch, but at least relatively in nearly all Arab speaking ones (usually 25 % and more, in some countries even absolutely dominant).
 
The new study suggests that Leonardo da Vinci might have belong to haplogroup E1b1b. They tested the DNA recovered from various items and artifacts having belong to him, but they cannot be sure that the DNA is his, although it is likely.

Would be funny if he is E-V13 -> E-FGC11451 like Garibaldi. E-FGC11451 is the most common tested lineage of Italians from around Genua. There are not many from Tuscany so far, but his distance from the current E-FGC11451 hotspot around Genua is about 180-200 km and the Western coast of Italy from Genua down to Massa has so far a couple of E-V13 testers, of which nearly all fall under E-FGC11451.

Not too many have done a BigY-test, but one North Italian who did has https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FT389281/tree

I find this strong dominance of E-FGC11451 in North Western Italians quite astonishing and they already have one prominent member (Garibaldi) ;)

Going by the current data, this area has one of the highest E-FGC11451 frequencies (relative - within E-V13) of the world. But of course, he could belong to any branch and there are even E-M34 and other non-E-V13 testers around in Northern Italy, even in the E-M35 project group.

From North Western Italy we have 16 E1b1b testers in project map, of which 10 are confirmed E-V13 and 6 confirmed/predicted E-FGC11451. So E-V13 is definitely most likely and of the E-V13 branches E-FGC11451 is by far the most common in North Western Italians going by these few testers. Which is something I see otherwise too.
 
Would be funny if he is E-V13 -> E-FGC11451 like Garibaldi. E-FGC11451 is the most common tested lineage of Italians from around Genua. There are not many from Tuscany so far, but his distance from the current E-FGC11451 hotspot around Genua is about 180-200 km and the Western coast of Italy from Genua down to Massa has so far a couple of E-V13 testers, of which nearly all fall under E-FGC11451.

Not too many have done a BigY-test, but one North Italian who did has https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FT389281/tree

I find this strong dominance of E-FGC11451 in North Western Italians quite astonishing and they already have one prominent member (Garibaldi) ;)

Going by the current data, this area has one of the highest E-FGC11451 frequencies (relative - within E-V13) of the world. But of course, he could belong to any branch and there are even E-M34 and other non-E-V13 testers around in Northern Italy, even in the E-M35 project group.

From North Western Italy we have 16 E1b1b testers in project map, of which 10 are confirmed E-V13 and 6 confirmed/predicted E-FGC11451. So E-V13 is definitely most likely and of the E-V13 branches E-FGC11451 is by far the most common in North Western Italians going by these few testers. Which is something I see otherwise too.
After discussing the results, its rather messy and either they didn't sample his DNA or it might be very well E-M81 or E-M34 - or something completely different or they didn't even got his DNA...

That's from the text:
In parallel, we assessed human Y-chromosome signal using a panel of ~90,000 phylogenetically informative markers and partial Y-STR profiling where feasible. Across multiple independent swabs from Leonardo da Vinci-associated items, the obtained Y chromosome marker data suggested assignments withing the broader E1b1/E1b1b clade. However, the control samples also indicate mixed contributions consistent with modern handling and other sources

The sampling appears to be a total mess:

Across samples labeled as Leonardo da Vinci-associated (three swabs from the202
“Holy Child” and the aggregate letter dataset), the best supported haplogroup203
assignments fell within the broader E1b1 clade (Fig. 3B-C). The front and edge swabs204
from the “Holy Child” supported E1b1b sublineages (E1b1b-CTS9049 and E1b1b-205
CTS8033), the aggregate letters supported an upstream E1b1 branch (E1b1-CTS1867).206
The reverse swab from the “Holy Child” supported two closely related E1b1b1b207
sublineages (E1b1b1b1a1-M5055 and E1b1b1b2a-CTS491) (Fig. 3B). Control Male 1208
also carried a E1b1b1b haplogroup (E1b1b1b2a1a1a1a1f1b1a1-Z5001), although with209
additional phylogenetic divergence at the available resolution. Control Male 2 and Male 3210
showed haplogroups I1a2a2a3-Y3643 and J1a2a1a2d2b2a2b-ZS4334, respectively211
(Fig. 3B).212
We also observed isolated reads supporting ancestral state markers in the “Holy213
Child” and single marker support for haplogroup “I” and macrohaplogroup IJK (i.e., I. J1,214
R1). Given sparse coverage, these single read observations cannot be resolved215
confidently and may reflect noise, mis-mapping, or mixture. Overall, the repeated216
recovery of E1b1/E1b1b class assignments across multiple Leonardo-associated217
samples is compatible with a shared Y-chromosomal signal (Fig. 3B, C).218
Among the remaining objects, Sacchi showed best support for a Y lineage219
E1b1b1b2a1a1-FGC18330 (Fig. 3B, C). Lippi showed limited support for I1 and R1b1a1b220
lineages, both common in Europe, though the number of informative markers precluded221
confident placement into a more specific subclade.

E-M81 is most likely reading through their text, though still speculative:

The recovery of an E1b1b1b-M81327
lineage from the Holy Child reverse swab, together with basal E1b1b lineages in the “Holy328
Child” front and edge swabs and in Frosino’s letter, is consistent with the presence of a329
coherent E1b1b signal on the Leonardo-related artefacts, with more recent handling-330
derived DNA likely contributing additional Y-chromosomal profiles. Of importance, the331
separate evaluation of the Y haplogroups in the same samples by Y-STR profiling332
provides further support for the E1b1b hypothesis as several of the other artifacts had333
very low percent haplogroup probabilities for E1b1b, reducing the notion that the signal334
may be solely modern contamination



In the E-M35 project is at least one E-M81 from around Genua and multiple E-M34 between Genua and Florence.
 
This region of italy is diverse in the e1b1b branches
Although the chances are still higher for
e-v13
he could be under e-m123>m34
There are branches of it who are found in italy:
E-y4972 ,e-y2947 or e-m84>pf6751
e-m84>fgc18353


P.s
Would be best if they tested one of his paternal relatives ( since from what i know he didn't had male descendants)
To confirm yes or not if he was e1b1b1 at all to begin with
 
492240ApkhaziPrince Sharvashidze: in 1636 Abkhazia → KakhetiGeorgiaE-M35Y-HAP-Backbone



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p.s
the haplotype look e-v13

Nevgen predicts him as E1b1b V13>>Z5017>> Z16988 so he likely descends from ancient Dacians/Belegis II-Gáva/Basarabi people at some point back in time.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-Z16988/tree
has Russian, Ukranian and Turkish testers.
 
interesting

posted by syrian yseq user at twitter
Official Genetic Announcement and Anthropological Analysis of the Paternal Lineage of the Sisi Family

President of the Arab Republic of Egypt 🇪🇬


Within the Framework of Population Genetics Studies in North Africa




📌 Sample Identification Description

* Name of the Tested Individual: Mohamed Al-Sisi
* Relative Lineage: Grandson of Hussein Khalil Al-Sisi, with relative intersection with President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi at the grandfather Hussein, thereby confirming direct affiliation to a single patrilineal lineage (Patrilineal Lineage).
* Sample Number: YSQ ID 76756


This sample represents an analytical model for the extended paternal lineage of the Sisi family, within the framework of genetic genealogy (Genetic Genealogy), as one of the sub-applications of population genetics.


Genetic Results: Phylogenetic Positioning of the Lineage

The analysis results showed the following:

* Major Haplogroup: E
* Defining Mutation: E-M81







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