Duo said:
First off... i don't think your assesments are not true at all.
Wow big surprise there, you are not the first one, and certainly won't be the last....
are you telling me that immigrants have better oppurtunities in the US? Let's look at it carefully. In the US urban public school are close to being s**t meaning no education and no college... which btw cost on average 15-20 thousand $$ per year... In europe colleges are state subsidised. In Belgium most universities will cost about 900 euro's per year.. that is only the registration fee required.
Why do you have to turn this into a pissing contest about how the US is so messed up compared to you guys? If you don't go to college here, that doesn't mean you can't get a decent job, and if you do go to college you will enjoy that higher salary range after a while in your job. If people think it's a waste to go to College, then they shouldn't go. However, there are many poor people that do make it through college with grants or financial aid. Believe me, I am glad that I am attending college, and it will pay off for me in the future. Even though the many European colleges are state funded there are others that are private universities (But I guess they call these one Public Colleges in Europe). If you don't make it into a decent college in Europe it is going to be harder to find an elite job compared to students from top Universities such as Oxford or Cambridge. Going to college in the US is an investment that matures over time, so many will pay the tuition fees without even questioning it.
Education is the means to integration. Secondly... look at the health care. In the US if you get sick and have no insurance basically you are at the mercy of the lord. In europe most western european states/and the rest have public healthcare meaning a good public service for not very expensive prices. Furthermore... the poorer you are in western europe the more concessions you get... discounts on insurance and other public services. These are more means for poor immigrants to integrate.
If you are poor in the US and don't have Medical Insurance, then you can apply for Medicaid, and believe me this is better than having nothing at all. At least you will be able to go to the doctor when you are sick. Yeah, in a perfect world, Public Medical care would be beneficial factor, but the US has basically the top Health Care around, and so if you want to give it away for free, then the quality will drop.
You call the hordes of mexicans in the US doing the manual labor of cleanin leaves and washing the cars and houses of the rich integration ? I think the hype that america is the land of the immigrants is overplayed. Personally I immigrants in europe do face some discrimantion... true... but second generation immigrants born in the nation and having citizenship have all the rights and opportunities.
These Mexicans that are doing manual labor are not only providing for their families still in Mexico, but they are making a decent living here as well. They make way more money in the US compared to them working in Mexico. Therefore, they are able to support their family by working in the US, and the US's GDP keeps on growing because of this. Therefore, you are trying to tell me this isn't a rich integration? Both sides are happy with this situation, and so can you really beat that?
Those who want to integrate are able to do so, like my doctor for example from lebanon, looks clearly of middle eastern descent and has an accent in french but managed to bring up his own practice. So when i hear this ramble crap about being treated badly or what not I don't buy it. If you come to a host nation you come to live there because you like that lifestyle. You don't come to make a mini colony of your homeland.
Is that not what France did, put all of these Africans in a ghetto (A.K.A. Mini Colony), and then expect them all to act and be French? This logic is flawed in that sense, but I understand that if you move to a foreign country then you should act by their rules. However, I feel strongly that you shouldn't have to give up your roots of who you are, and where you came from. Yeah, I'm sure you disagree with that, but you only look at this point-of-view from a European perspective. Try stepping in the Immigrant shoes for a brief moment, then you might start to understand what I'm talking about.