Future of Greece

Greeks monetary future:

  • Greeks will stay in Eurozone

    Votes: 13 52.0%

  • Greek will go back to Drachma

    Votes: 12 48.0%
  • Total voters
    25
Kardu said:
"From the beginning, Merkel and the EU have operated from the position that because Greece took on debt, Greece now needs to pay it back. That position assumed — bizarrely, in hindsight — that debt only works one way: if you lend someone money, then they pay it back.
But that is NOT how free markets work.
Debt is not a guarantee of future payments in full. Rather, it is a risk that creditors take, in hopes of maybe being paid tomorrow.
The key word there is "risk.

If you're willing to take the risk, you'll get a premium — in the form of interest.
But the downside of that risk is that you lose your money. And Greece just called Germany's bluff."

http://www.businessinsider.com/greece-referendum-result-and-the-meaning-of-debt-2015-7
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in commerce, if your debtor refuses to pay you will try all legal ways to collect it anyway, eventualy forcing him to pay
you certainly will not grant him a new loan, you will blacklist him

and yes, European politicians are to blaim, they never should have granted these loans to Greece in the first place
but politicians don't have to worry, it's not their money that is waisted, it's the taxpayers

you allways tell half the trueth, only the part that is convenient for you
I hope you're at least smart enough to realise that
 
bicicleur said:
in commerce, if your debtor refuses to pay you will try all legal ways to collect it anyway, eventualy forcing him to pay
you certainly will not grant him a new loan, you will blacklist him

and yes, European politicians are to blaim, they never should have granted these loans to Greece in the first place
but politicians don't have to worry, it's not their money that is waisted, it's the taxpayers

you allways tell half the trueth, only the part that is convenient for you
I hope you're at least smart enough to realise that
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None of the words were mine, it's a quote from the article.
I hope you're at least smart enough to realise that


P.S. oops, no, seems you were not..
 
The finance minister was fired! I think it is a sign to Ezone that Greek government is willing to cut a deal soon.

Whatever, things are already messed up. New deal might take a month or two to iron, in mean time Greek banks will be closed. (Yetos should be happy, he hates banks)
Yesterday Greeks were dancing in the street. In a month they will be fighting from hunger and despair.
Greek government should have Drachmas printed already, before they played the bluff card.
 
LeBrok said:
The finance minister was fired! I think it is a sign to Ezone that Greek government is willing to cut a deal soon.

Whatever, things are already messed up. New deal might take a month or two to iron, in mean time Greek banks will be closed. (Yetos should be happy, he hates banks)
Yesterday Greeks were dancing in the street. In a month they will be fighting from hunger and despair.
Greek government should have Drachmas printed already, before they played the bluff card.
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nope he retired

and the next one is Gerun Djisselbloem
if Djisselbloem will not retire Baroufakis will come back.

It is our problem if we die from hunger,

AT LEAST WILL DIE FREE

do not forget
our national anthem is an hymn to Freedom,
not dedicated to land, neither a quenn, neither a king, to Freedom and at end of the month, will give a lesson to world that bankers are not smarter than common people,
SO NO MORE IN FUTURE MONEY VULTURES HARASH PEOPLE THROUGH CRAP LOANS TO STATESFrom Venice times to American civil war toNapoleon to WW2 bankers earned from peoples misery, and war.
time for EU to stop this madness

PS
strangely the truth is that illegal immigrtion drop drmatically this week,
can someone guess why?health and freedom, the ultimate goods in this world
 
Angela said:
I agree with everything you wrote except your last sentence. Young people today have been totally spoilt and over-indulged by their parents and grandparents, especially in Europe. They have no conception that money has to be created before it can be spent; it doesn't fall from trees. They think times were tough the last couple of years? All those pensions, government salaries etc. will have to be paid for out of what they produce, and there won't be enough.

It's becoming like that here too...if you take a microphone out and interview twenty-somethings, they'll say they think there should not only be free health care, there should be free housing, and free food and free everything. Problem is, who will pay for it all? It won't be some of them; they'll be lying around drunk or unconscious from drugs, living in mom's basement.
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I will exclude Greece, I will say something about rest of Balkans. Young people high depend on their parents, in some cases even middle generation! Why they are not more independent the part of reason are cultural, but not only cultural. Some sociologists link with emancipation of women (?) but in socialism emancipation of women has long ceased, Communists fought zealously for emancipation, it is no reason. Laziness or passivity young generation, it is possible to some extent. Economic reasons are clearly significant. But not finding their role in society can have more roots. Disappointment in politics, running from reality, new technologies and avoiding social life outside of virtual, discarding great ideas, etc. Protestant working ethics mostly does not live here. I hope that situation will be better. Surely parents can improve situation with different upbringing, school system too. Things can be better, but society must to work on it and to change what it's no good.
 
Yetos said:

nope he retired

and the next one is Gerun Djisselbloem
if Djisselbloem will not retire Baroufakis will come back.

It is our problem if we die from hunger,

AT LEAST WILL DIE FREE

do not forget
our national anthem is an hymn to Freedom,
not dedicated to land, neither a quenn, neither a king, to Freedom and at end of the month, will give a lesson to world that bankers are not smarter than common people,
SO NO MORE IN FUTURE MONEY VULTURES HARASH PEOPLE THROUGH CRAP LOANS TO STATESFrom Venice times to American civil war toNapoleon to WW2 bankers earned from peoples misery, and war.
time for EU to stop this madness

PS
strangely the truth is that illegal immigrtion drop drmatically this week,
can someone guess why?health and freedom, the ultimate goods in this world
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don't you think Greece has been governed by the wrong leaders?
yes banks are fault, and Euro-politicians are fault but the main culpables are the Greek government who asked for allways more money and didn't spend it wisely
Tsipras says Greece don't want to accept European terms, but he should come up with a valid alternative then
yes you don't have to obey any queen or king, but your politic leaders are making a lot bigger mess
 
Garrick said:
I will exclude Greece, I will say something about rest of Balkans. Young people high depend on their parents, in some cases even middle generation! Why they are not more independent the part of reason are cultural, but not only cultural. Some sociologists link with emancipation of women (?) but in socialism emancipation of women has long ceased, Communists fought zealously for emancipation, it is no reason. Laziness or passivity young generation, it is possible to some extent. Economic reasons are clearly significant. But not finding their role in society can have more roots. Disappointment in politics, running from reality, new technologies and avoiding social life outside of virtual, discarding great ideas, etc. Protestant working ethics mostly does not live here. I hope that situation will be better. Surely parents can improve situation with different upbringing, school system too. Things can be better, but society must to work on it and to change what it's no good.
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Again, I agree.

I'll give just one example. The economy has contracted here too, although not to the extent of Europe's. There are young people who can't get a job that matches their educational qualifications. Most of them still, thank-goodness, don't think that means that they can just live off their parents. Yes, a good many have moved back home, and there's nothing wrong with that, but you have to contribute, and if that means you have to get a job as a waiter, or a lifeguard, or whatever, that's what you do, until you find something in your career path. There's nothing demeaning about honest work. I don't see that kind of attitude among my young relatives in Italy. They think that kind of work is beneath them, as is anything connected to working their ancestral land.

Not that it isn't changing here as well, however. Within the last year two families of my acquaintance have taken in a child, that child's significant other and a baby. Nor was it a case where the young family had fallen temporarily on hard times and needed to regroup. It was just total irresponsibility from start to finish. Not unlike welfare mothers, only in this case the parents provide the welfare.

One thing should be understood, however. What has happened in Greece has nothing to do with any kind of ingrained genetic laziness. Greek Americans and Italian Americans as well, for that matter, have a reputation for being incredibly hard workers and for making a good living here in the States, even if it means working all the hours God sends in some diner or other small business. There's nothing lazy about them.
 
bicicleur said:
don't you think Greece has been governed by the wrong leaders?
yes banks are fault, and Euro-politicians are fault but the main culpables are the Greek government who asked for allways more money and didn't spend it wisely
Tsipras says Greece don't want to accept European terms, but he should come up with a valid alternative then
yes you don't have to obey any queen or king, but your politic leaders are making a lot bigger mess
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told ya
I did not went to vote,
I and other 40% of Greeks wanted the referendum to be canceled,
but I have to respect the results,
I have to stay with my people, I do not want another civil war,
let the Bankers have inner/civil war, not states,
So I must stick to no nomatter the effects,
about our politic leaders, I agree with you,
they should all go to prison and rot there,
but Γουδι (1rst WW executions) was set much after problem,
until now they covered behind a law for responsibilities, but till when?

50% is our responsibilities, so we will suffer for our ΥΒΡΙΣ to live like Medes(ΜΗΔΗΖΕΙΝ)
and yes we will be hungry, and die due to lack of insouline or others medicines,
and we might not have a car, but with head up, staring the stars at the sky,
anyway, because Greeks was always in the progress of European afairs except the times between 1450-1750,
search for a possible war around, either economical either military,
most of our politicians must be hanged, or make them statue,
Stupidity from Heroism is not far,
anyway it is 21:20 here, at 00:01 i must take my money with coupon, 60 E per day like in communistic countries,
but what else can I do? waiting for solutions, or suffer, or action?
misery, and proud,
 
Yetos said:
told ya
I did not went to vote,
I and other 40% of Greeks wanted the referendum to be canceled,
but I have to respect the results,
I have to stay with my people, I do not want another civil war,
let the Bankers have inner/civil war, not states,
So I must stick to no nomatter the effects,
about our politic leaders, I agree with you,
they should all go to prison and rot there,
but Γουδι (1rst WW executions) was set much after problem,
until now they covered behind a law for responsibilities, but till when?

50% is our responsibilities, so we will suffer for our ΥΒΡΙΣ to live like Medes(ΜΗΔΗΖΕΙΝ)
and yes we will be hungry, and die due to lack of insouline or others medicines,
and we might not have a car, but with head up, staring the stars at the sky,
anyway, because Greeks was always in the progress of European afairs except the times between 1450-1750,
search for a possible war around, either economical either military,
most of our politicians must be hanged, or make them statue,
Stupidity from Heroism is not far,
anyway it is 21:20 here, at 00:01 i must take my money with coupon, 60 E per day like in communistic countries,
but what else can I do? waiting for solutions, or suffer, or action?
misery, and proud,
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Greek referendum was ridiculous.
No matter what the outcome of future agreements with creditors Greek debt showed three things:
a) If Greeks have money in their hands they don't know what to do with them
b) they have no shame,
c) their appetite is large and they want others to work to satisfy their appetite

I would say that their schools are to blame since they have not inspired anybody to learn trades and create business
They are not alone. The whole Balkans have more or less the same problems
 
DuPidh said:
Greek referendum was ridiculous.
No matter what the outcome of future agreements with creditors Greek debt showed three things:
a) If Greeks have money in their hands they don't know what to do with them
b) they have no shame,
c) their appetite is large and they want others to work to satisfy their appetite

I would say that their schools are to blame since they have not inspired anybody to learn trades and create business
They are not alone. The whole Balkans have more or less the same problems
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thank you,
we learn business from you, and your country,
which surely is not Mexico,
and since your schools are so good, why you come to our schoolls?
and since you know business why you come and work for our businessmen?
 
Yetos said:
told ya
I did not went to vote,
I and other 40% of Greeks wanted the referendum to be canceled,
but I have to respect the results,
I have to stay with my people, I do not want another civil war,
let the Bankers have inner/civil war, not states,
So I must stick to no nomatter the effects,
about our politic leaders, I agree with you,
they should all go to prison and rot there,
but Γουδι (1rst WW executions) was set much after problem,
until now they covered behind a law for responsibilities, but till when?

50% is our responsibilities, so we will suffer for our ΥΒΡΙΣ to live like Medes(ΜΗΔΗΖΕΙΝ)
and yes we will be hungry, and die due to lack of insouline or others medicines,
and we might not have a car, but with head up, staring the stars at the sky,
anyway, because Greeks was always in the progress of European afairs except the times between 1450-1750,
search for a possible war around, either economical either military,
most of our politicians must be hanged, or make them statue,
Stupidity from Heroism is not far,
anyway it is 21:20 here, at 00:01 i must take my money with coupon, 60 E per day like in communistic countries,
but what else can I do? waiting for solutions, or suffer, or action?
misery, and proud,
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I understand, Yetos
I don't have an answer
 
bicicleur said:
I understand, Yetos
I don't have an answer
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we are living the days of psychosis and neurosis ΨΥΧΩΣΙΣ & ΝΕΥΡΩΣΙΣ, 2 Greek words
neurosis is when you blame your shelf always, for what went wrong,
psychosis is when you always blame the others for what went wrong

so old govermental parties seem neurotic in this politico/economical affair (other 2 Greek words, ΠΟΛΙΣ ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΑ)
we got tired to blaim our shelves for the corruption of politicians,
and we went to other side,
psychotics, and we choosε radical left, and now we blaim the others,
Madness Mania, another Greek word ΜΑΝΙΑ,
and I have the others to tell me that this capitalistic system is good, :useless:
only causes mental illness :LOL:,
 
Yetos said:
told ya
I did not went to vote,
I and other 40% of Greeks wanted the referendum to be canceled,
but I have to respect the results,
I have to stay with my people, I do not want another civil war,
let the Bankers have inner/civil war, not states,
So I must stick to no nomatter the effects,
about our politic leaders, I agree with you,
they should all go to prison and rot there,
but Γουδι (1rst WW executions) was set much after problem,
until now they covered behind a law for responsibilities, but till when?

50% is our responsibilities, so we will suffer for our ΥΒΡΙΣ to live like Medes(ΜΗΔΗΖΕΙΝ)
and yes we will be hungry, and die due to lack of insouline or others medicines,
and we might not have a car, but with head up, staring the stars at the sky,
anyway, because Greeks was always in the progress of European afairs except the times between 1450-1750,
search for a possible war around, either economical either military,
most of our politicians must be hanged, or make them statue,
Stupidity from Heroism is not far,
anyway it is 21:20 here, at 00:01 i must take my money with coupon, 60 E per day like in communistic countries,
but what else can I do? waiting for solutions, or suffer, or action?
misery, and proud,
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I'm so desperately sorry this is happening, Yetos.
 
Yetos said:
thank you,
we learn business from you, and your country,
which surely is not Mexico,
and since your schools are so good, why you come to our schoolls?
and since you know business why you come and work for our businessmen?
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Nobody is coming to be educated in Greece!
The only good school of business Greeks have is "University of Suflaki"
 
DuPidh said:
Nobody is coming to be educated in Greece!
The only good school of business Greeks have is "University of Suflaki"
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I am certain you did not try it yet,
and you never will
 
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