New distribution map of Y-haplogroup E-M81

E-m81:( 17 y-str + known snp e-m81)
3.4% 2/58 at miranda do douro
6.6%
2/30 at braganca

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Miranda do douro -(58 samples)
MD1-e-m81
MD2-e-m81
2/58- 3.4% e-m81



Braganca- (30 samples)
BG3-e-m81
BG4-e-m81
2/30- 6.6% e-m81


source:
 
would be very surprised if not a single e-m81 case
will appear here among the 12-13th century muslim community
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There have been big changes for E-M81, this may warrant a new thread even if people are interested.
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Several basal Levantine branches now exist here. With 3 Levantine branches I believe that this strongly suggest an eastern origin for E-M81. This has been suggested for a long time but this is a strong piece of evidence.
 
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There have been big changes for E-M81, this may warrant a new thread even if people are interested.
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Several basal Levantine branches now exist here. With 3 Levantine branches I believe that this strongly suggest an eastern origin for E-M81. This has been suggested for a long time but this is a strong piece of evidence.

interesting
but generally speaking i still tend to think e-m81 originated much to the west
if i remember one of the neolithic remains from Ifri n'Amr Ou Moussa
in morocco was pre-e-m81
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p.s
if future dna papers will find some ancient remains under those rare e-m81 branches
in levant or arabia
that will be another story
 
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interesting
but generally speaking i still tend to think e-m81 originated much to the west
if i remember one of the neolithic remains from Ifri n'Amr Ou Moussa
in morocco was pre-e-m81
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p.s
if future dna papers will find some ancient remains under those rare e-m81 branches
in levant or arabia
that will be another story
Yes sadly all relevant regions here (practically all of North Africa and the Middle East) have very few ancient samples. It is still possible though that cousin branches expanded into North Africa and went extinct before E-M81.
 
maybe that could explain some e-m81 in france :thinking:
if we see in the 6th century an autosomaly north african case that far in north france
fascinating and cool :cool-v:


Genetic population structure across Brittany and the Loire basin


Abstract

European genetic ancestry originates from three main ancestral populations - Western hunter-gatherers, early European farmers and Yamnaya Eurasian herders - whose edges geographically met in present-day France. Despite its central role to our understanding of how the ancestral populations interacted and gave rise to modern population structure, the population history of France has remained largely understudied. Here, we analysed 856 high-coverage whole-genome sequences along with genome-wide genotyping data of 3,234 present-day individuals from the northern half of France and merged them with publicly available present-day and ancient Europe-wide genotype datasets. We also analysed, for the first time, the whole-genome sequences of six medieval individuals (300-1100 CE) from Western France to gain insights into the genetic impact of what is commonly known as the Migration Period in Europe. We found extensive fine-scale population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin, emphasizing the need for investigating local populations to better understand the distribution of rare and putatively deleterious variants across space. Overall, we observed an increased population differentiation between the northern and southern sides of the river Loire, which are characterised by different proportions of steppe vs. Neolithic-related ancestry. Samples from Western Brittany carry the largest levels of steppe ancestry and show high levels of allele sharing with individuals associated with the Bell Beaker complex, levels that are only comparable with those found in populations lying on the northwestern edges of Europe. Together, our results imply that present-day individuals from Western Brittany retain substantial legacy of the genetic changes that occurred in Northwestern Europe following the arrival of the Bell Beaker people c. 2500 BCE. Such genetic legacy may explain the sharing of disease-related alleles with other present-day populations from Western Britain and Ireland.


...


In addition, we sequenced six individuals with dates ranging from the 4th to the 12th century CE, from Pays-dela-

Loire (Fig. 4a) to increase our resolution in detecting changes in ancestry during the

Mediaeval Period. PCA resulting from projecting the ancient individuals onto the principal

component space of modern variation shows that most of the samples fall well within the

distribution of present-day French (Fig. S4.1). Out of the six individuals, one (fra009, Table S4.1)

likely represents a migrant with genetic affinities to present-day North Africans. This individual,

dated from the 5th-6th century CE, was found in an archaeological site located in an ancient

town likely built during the Roman period (see SOM, Supplementary archaeological details).

Trading networks involving this town may explain the presence of North African migrants so far

north. To test whether French Mediaeval samples from the 3-4th century CE and samples from

the 6-7th century CE significantly differ in their genetic affinities to other ancient European

populations we computed the f4-statistics of the form f4(Mbuti, ancient European sample;

sLoire_France_3-4cCE, sLoire_France_6-7cCE). We found no significant differences in allele

sharing between individuals from early (300-550 CE, fra001 and fra004) and later Mediaeval

Period (600-700 CE, fra016 and fra017, Table S4.2). Therefore, we considered individuals from

both periods to represent the same population and refer to them as “Mediaeval French”



page 14 in pdf


We found Mediaeval samples from Western France to carry generally less steppe ancestry than their geographical close present-day populations (Fig. 4b). This is consistent with a model in which the introduction of steppe ancestry in Northern French ~2000 BCE remained restricted to this region for millennia. Nevertheless, we recall that Early Mediaeval samples display substantial genetic heterogeneity as two samples carry contrasting proportions of steppe- vs. Neolithic-ancestry (fra016 and fra017) and one sample (fra009) did not fit the genetic diversity of present-day France. Instead, this sample seems to originate from North Africa and provides evidence for long-distance migration between the northern part of France and northern Africa, as early as the Early Mediaeval period (~5-6 century CE). Finally, we found a lack of genetic continuity between Mediaeval French and Iberian populations dating from the first millennium BCE (P < 0.05, results not shown). Signals of genetic continuity were only found with Iberian individuals archaeologically associated with Germanic invasions, suggesting that until late Antiquity and Early Mediaeval Period (3th-10th century CE) French and Iberians might have kept low levels of gene flow






source:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.03.478491v1


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nice ;)
so fra009 dated to 414-548 ad was under e-m81 inline with his autosomall
ancestery which clusters with modern day tunisians
the files were out
theytree site checked fra009 file he fall under e-m81


p.s
Up to date this is the oldest e-m81 remain ever to be found in europe

that shows how mobile was the roman empire as people moved from far and beyond
 
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nice;)
pre-islamic late antiquity presence of e-m81 and e-L19 in spain

LATE ANTIQUITY AND ROMAN PERIOD
I23167-416-700 ad malaga estepona necropolis arroyo e-m81>cts4236
I23770
-400-500 ad south merida blanes >e-L19

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source paper which is a pre-print :

 
unsurprisingly another islamic early medieval remain under e-m81
this region of east iberia
individual GOG23 from Early medieval islamic (706-888ad) e-m81
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source:



p.s
GOG59 also under e-m81 although found in christian cemetery was likely some berber slave
since he was found with iron shackle
autosomally he cluster with north african
from the paper:
Post-medieval individual GOG59, who was found with an iron shackle around his right ankle clusters closely with modern Moroccans and Algerians in thePCA (Figure 2A), indicating a North African origin. Most present-day Berber individuals in the North African PCA fall along a cline defined by the amount of sub-Saharan ancestry. GOG59 sits at the low sub-Saharan ancestry side of this cline (Figures S4, S5). Outgroup-f3 analysis shows that the highest shared driftis with present-day Moroccan Berbers (Figure 2B). We can model ~40 to 50%(SEs ~3%) of his ancestry as deriving from a North African-related source,depending on the model tested (Tables S13, S14). This result is further supported by a second PCA computed using an alternative Affymetrix NorthAfrican dataset where GOG59 appears closest to Berber individuals from Morocco and Algeria (Figures S4, S5).
 
look like e-pf2578 is a very Sardinian downstream branch of e-m81( 56 scientific samples from Sardinia who were uploaded to ftdna discover tree)

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p.s
whether the founder of it arrived with Muslim in the 8th century or earlier
it seem to be successful
 
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This thread is missing the oldest E-M81 sample, the Phoenician on E-M81 :unsure:

thanks for sharing (y)
i am aware of that sample ( low coverage)
but someone at twitter showed his y calls
and it is not clear to me if he is indeed under e-m81
since he got positive calls for e-m81
but he got a negative y call for e-z827 e-m81 ancestor
so this I19190 could be in the end under one of e-v68 downstream
it is for sure an e-m35 individual
but on e-m81 i am not sure :unsure:
 
thanks for sharing (y)
i am aware of that sample ( low coverage)
but someone at twitter showed his y calls
and it is not clear to me if he is indeed under e-m81
since he got positive calls for e-m81
but he got a negative y call for e-z827 e-m81 ancestor
so this I19190 could be in the end under one of e-v68 downstream
it is for sure an e-m35 individual
but on e-m81 i am not sure :unsure:

I haven't checked this specific sample but yes, I agree with you, there can be errors in academic studies and even on Yfull, so we can't be sure.
 
thanks for sharing (y)
i am aware of that sample ( low coverage)
but someone at twitter showed his y calls
and it is not clear to me if he is indeed under e-m81
since he got positive calls for e-m81
but he got a negative y call for e-z827 e-m81 ancestor
so this I19190 could be in the end under one of e-v68 downstream
it is for sure an e-m35 individual
but on e-m81 i am not sure :unsure:
I understand your concern but all SNPs of E-M81 and below found in this sample are in the derived states, he is definitely E-M81 :) There's no possibility for this sample to be E-V68 ;)
 
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I Might have missed
Thats great from Which paper
He came do you have the source link?

P.s
Here is a case of e-L19>pf2431 from the future punic paper
Even though also in low coverage it is for sure under E-L19
 
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This sample originates from Carrion et al. 2024. Tbqh I also missed this sample when I first read the paper.
 
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