Try to find, You could make yourself useful in this discussion.
Well i can tell you that the map you posted isn't in any way useful to the discussion.
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Try to find, You could make yourself useful in this discussion.
Well i can tell you that the map you posted isn't in any way useful to the discussion.
Well i can tell you that the map you posted isn't in any way useful to the discussion.
Correct,
Given the high G2a in Southern Italy also the high E-V13 one might well conclude a substantial Neolithic pressence that was absorbed by the Indo-European Italics [Bruttii and Samnites];
The fact that regions like Calabria still have 15.5% U-152 -Bruttii and
Molise 8% with the Abruzzo region 13% -Samnites -of course also a lot were killed in the 3 wars
is a significant remnant of the Indo-European Italics [Umbrian/Ambronen];
And this is just exclusively U-152;
Given what was before [G2a] and what all came contemporary from the East Mediterranean with Pelasgians and Greeks, i would have expected much lower;
in total S Italy = 8.6% U-152 and 16.2 G2a and 10.6% E-V13 and 17.1% J2 -Boattini et al 2013
all in all paints a very accurate picture;
Evidence? A good book about Italian History.
All jokes aside, next days I will try to find a more convincing evidences. Anyway, I think it's hard to think that a genetics photography of a modern country like Italy with a very complex history may actually reflect the perfect distribution of ancient peoples lived 3000 years before.
Ich can say you why in corsica and sardinia were so much R1b-U152. Because when corsica would a part of france, many french people come to corsica.
The demography of the native-corsican is very bad, so the genes of the french (with most R1b-U152) are dominant of corsica. Its fact.
A friend of my parents is a real corsican (with french ancestors) and his wife a austrian. So many corsican with french ancestors, live on corsica.
The statistics about the haplogroup distribution are from the new-time.
So do you understand what i want so say?
How exact it is on sardinia, i dont know. But i think we must include modern migrations, because all the haplogroup statistics, dont exclude this migrations f.e. since the 18. century.
It only suggests that R1b-U152 was never common in these areas.
Well it hasn't stopped you speculating on insufficient grounds.
I think I know more about Italian history than you so quit the snide remarks.
Actually i wasn't doubting the map more than the fact about a presumed correlation between R1b-U152 and Blondism.Correct,
This isnt even a Biasutti map, there are few maps on the i-net that claim to be Biasutti or Livi but are not;
this is from Dr. R. Livi -
Dr. R. Livi - Antropometria Militare / 299,000 recruits all regions
everyone is capable in calculating the %s; But this is strictly Anthropological;
Correct,
Given the high G2a in Southern Italy also the high E-V13 one might well conclude a substantial Neolithic pressence that was absorbed by the Indo-European Italics [Bruttii and Samnites];
The fact that regions like Calabria still have 15.5% U-152 -Bruttii and
Molise 8% with the Abruzzo region 13% -Samnites -of course also a lot were killed in the 3 wars
is a significant remnant of the Indo-European Italics [Umbrian/Ambronen];
And this is just exclusively U-152;
Given what was before [G2a] and what all came contemporary from the East Mediterranean with Pelasgians and Greeks, i would have expected much lower;
in total S Italy = 8.6% U-152 and 16.2 G2a and 10.6% E-V13 and 17.1% J2 -Boattini et al 2013
all in all paints a very accurate picture;
Actually i wasn't doubting the map more than the fact about a presumed correlation between R1b-U152 and Blondism.
Again, I completely agree with You.
We must consider the U-152 found in South Italy as as a remnant of something that was more widespread in the past. I think this is the right interpretation.
As We know, Samnites and Romans never had good relations. The Samnite Wars were a bloodbath for the Samnites.
Actually i wasn't doubting the map more than the fact about a presumed correlation between R1b-U152 and Blondism.
Correct,
This isnt even a Biasutti map, there are few maps on the i-net that claim to be Biasutti or Livi but are not;
this is from Dr. R. Livi -
Dr. R. Livi - Antropometria Militare / 299,000 recruits all regions
everyone is capable in calculating the %s; But this is strictly Anthropological;
The facts only show that R1b-U152 were NEVER common in these areas.
Why would R1b disappear to a greater extent than local J or G?
Your scholarship is weak even here.
The facts only show that R1b-U152 were NEVER common in these areas.
Why would R1b disappear to a greater extent than local J or G?
Your scholarship is weak even here.
its def. more common in S Italy than any other region of S Europe;
Now take a wild guess why thats the case;
Or dont you believe in the existence of the historical Samnites - Bruttii - Lucani,
existence of the historical Samnites - Bruttii - Lucani,
They existed...doesn't prove they were predominantly R1b-U152.
If this haplogroup is present in southern Italy and Sicily it may be due to the settlement of "Lombards", ie North Italians, often actually Ligurian or Piedmontese, during the Middle Ages. They must have brought some U152.
So-called Gallo-Italian dialects still survive in pockets of Basilicata, Calabria and Sicily.
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