Slavic homeland and ethnogenesis

[Yetos]

@ Milan M.

The Paeonians according some were sons of Agrios
but archaiologists and later historians place them with Thracians,
there are many Thracians,
Makedonians were very connected with Brygians or Phrygians Thracians,
in fact Mygdones (Brygians who stayed at balkans) might me the same as Makedonians (Makedonians Mugdonians)
Alexander gave respect and waited for help from Phrygians at Gordion,

Paeonians belong to another group of Thracian,
we can be sure if they are connected with Pierioi Thracians of Orpheus,
but with Syntikes Odomantikes etc surely connected to a larger thracian Group,
Paeonians were enemies of Makedonians, but with time and after Εταιροι they were united to a more common state


the case of Scythian wife of Phillipos B' is known well know,
maybe that is why Alexander choose a horse tribe woman as his wife Roxanna,
something tells me that Alexander admire his step mother, a horse riding warrior woman,
and reject his mother's style a queenn and religious high priest, style of woman,
that is why he rejected many women, including darius daughter,

now the case of 'sati' is also mentioned at warrangs, Varrangians, the Vikings of Volga,
seems like even after 1100 AD women died with their master or husband

 

[Yetos]

@ arvisto


a kind of Sati existed even in Vikings,
the Volga Vikings until 1100 1200 AD had that custom,
even in Poland if I remeber we see it in Vikings tombs

 

[Милан М.]

@ arvisto


a kind of Sati existed even in Vikings,
the Volga Vikings until 1100 1200 AD had that custom,
even in Poland if I remeber we see it in Vikings tombs

Maurice campaign were from 582-602when this custom was written about Sclavenes which Theophylact tell us they are Getae we can't just close our eyes in front of that and Herodotus wrote this about Thracians much earlier,in 1100 AD such customs were not in use among Balkan Slavs cause were Christianized much earlier.

 

[Yetos]

I'm a bit out of topic here, Yetos, but some examples cannot prove anything; the seldom thracian words we have are by definition of an old stage of I-Ean dialect and it is easy to find words (cognates) shared by different today families of I-Ean languages, when searching old stages or proto-stages. I can show you celtic words cognate with slavic words, what cannot prove a recent common origin nor even recent contacts. This applies too to some of the "slavic" placenames of Pannonia cited by Milan, I think. Indo-Iranian languages share too some words with occidental I-Ean modern languages, germanic by instance. Nobody would say old Indo-iranian was not already a well enough separated language from western I-Ean ones.
By the way, I don't see any evident link between the 'mac' ('mab') / 'muka' words and the slavic words formed upon 'musc-'

concenring 'med' ("drink"): welsh 'medd' : "hydromel" - welsh 'meddw', breton 'mezw' : "drunk" -
that said, I agree a common satem origin and archaïc forms can explain the most of the thracian and balto-slavic convergences, without making all the same of them.

hmm
I can use many examples of trully Thracian to combine them with IE languages,
we can discuss a lot about Thracian,
I can even claim that Thracian was centum, using their known vocabulary,
like kalimindar καλαμος, σωλην, αυλος ΣΥΡΙΓΞ,
but believe me I can not accept Thracian, as coming from another modern language,
I think it is older, much much older, even older than Hommeric, reaching maybe before Mycenean,
now if Indo-iranian, or Armeno-Thracian, or Celto-Thracian, i think it was older than all,
I think from proto-Thracian sprunk many modern IE languages and groups, than Thracian from another group,
Allow me to have that feeling, since nobody as I know yet can prove something oposite,
and I consider it impossimble Thracian to was a 'sink' language like modern Greek (basically ancient Greek, with latin aromani and Thracian, but also slavic, turkish,german)

I mean in what we call Northern IE language Germanic Slavic Baltic Albanian can Thracian exist?
and in what we call southern or old, indo-Hettit or Indo-iranian, Armenian, Homeric can Thracian exist?
or western Celtic can Thracian exist?
my answer is that Thracian was either 'mother' of Balto-Slavic (celtic?) or sister of Baltic and Germanic,
but it can also be mother or sister of Armenian or Celtic, which Balto-Germanic can not be as I know yet,

so considering Thracian as 'daughter' of Balto-Germanic-Slavic, I think we make a mistake,
or perhaps I still misunderstand the 'connection'

 

[Милан М.]

hmm
I can use many examples of trully Thracian to combine them with IE languages,
we can discuss a lot about Thracian,
I can even claim that Thracian was centum, using their known vocabulary,
like kalimindar καλαμος, σωλην, αυλος ΣΥΡΙΓΞ,
but believe me I can not accept Thracian, as coming from another modern language,
I think it is older, much much older, even older than Hommeric, reaching maybe before Mycenean,
now if Indo-iranian, or Armeno-Thracian, or Celto-Thracian, i think it was older than all,
I think from proto-Thracian sprunk many modern IE languages and groups, than Thracian from another group,
Allow me to have that feeling, since nobody as I know yet can prove something oposite,
and I consider it impossimble Thracian to was a 'sink' language like modern Greek (basically ancient Greek, with latin aromani and Thracian, but also slavic, turkish,german)

I mean in what we call Northern IE language Germanic Slavic Baltic Albanian can Thracian exist?
and in what we call southern or old, indo-Hettit or Indo-iranian, Armenian, Homeric can Thracian exist?
or western Celtic can Thracian exist?
my answer is that Thracian was either 'mother' of Balto-Slavic (celtic?) or sister of Baltic and Germanic,
but it can also be mother or sister of Armenian or Celtic, which Balto-Germanic can not be as I know yet,

so considering Thracian as 'daughter' of Balto-Germanic-Slavic, I think we make a mistake,
or perhaps I still misunderstand the 'connection'

Indeed the Greeks perhaps also have theory that Thracians are Greeks and even Centum language?Well known "propaganda" just like Alexander spoke Hellenic language,if ancient Macedonian can not be classified as Greek language,why is he claimed by the Greeks,because they lived on same territory? so the Slavic Macedonians does and were living more so until they were expelled and assimilated from todays Greek Macedonia,i have questions here,if Slavic Macedonians in genetics are pretty close with Greek Macedonians and the Greek Macedonians opposite then with the rest of Greece,why the one should learn history that their ancestors came in the 6th century with straw in their mouth and the others don't if the person they are "battling" for spoked neither Slavic nor Greek according to linguist since the language is not classify yet despite Greek effort to connect it with their language,same apply for the Romanians if they claim continuity and they are almost same with Bulgarians and Serbs in genetics why the others should learn the same history that their ancestors came from somewhere and to others did not,a history with which South Slavs suffered greatly,a history which allowed others to claim supremacy over others lands,empires,colonists,history which was never proven and look funny when you do more research,the answer is very easy,the history was written the way suit other people gains,i guess we all should do the same and i don't blame Macedonians for claiming Alexander they are right as much the Greek Macedonians are,Thracian is Balto-Slavic in many cases much similar with Slavic despite it was known from very early stage,when yet perhaps Balto-Slavic unity existed,which was first IE in the Balkans prior the colonist Greeks,the sentence you wrote the same way i can connect the Minoans with us and many others,not only the Greeks have pseudo historians.

 

[Yetos]

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[/URL] the Greeks perhaps also have theory that Thracians are Greeks and even Centum language?Well known "propaganda" just like Alexander spoke Hellenic language,if ancient Macedonian can not be classified as Greek language,why is he claimed by the Greeks,because they lived on same territory? so the Slavic Macedonians does and were living more so until they were expelled and assimilated from todays Greek Macedonia,i have questions here,if Slavic Macedonians in genetics are pretty close with Greek Macedonians and the Greek Macedonians opposite then with the rest of Greece,why the one should learn history that their ancestors came in the 6th century with straw in their mouth and the others don't if the person they are "battling" for spoked neither Slavic nor Greek according to linguist since the language is not classify yet despite Greek effort to connect it with their language,same apply for the Romanians if they claim continuity and they are almost same with Bulgarians and Serbs in genetics why the others should learn the same history that their ancestors came from somewhere and to others did not,a history with which South Slavs suffered greatly,a history which allowed others to claim supremacy over others lands,empires,colonists,history which was never proven and look funny when you do more research,the answer is very easy,the history was written the way suit other people gains,i guess we all should do the same and i don't blame Macedonians for claiming Alexander they are right as much the Greeks are,Thracian is Balto-Slavic in many cases much similar with Slavic despite it was known from very early stage,when yet perhaps Balto-Slavic unity existed,which was first IE in the Balkans prior the colonist Greeks,the sentence you wrote the same way i can connect the Minoans with us and many others,not only the Greeks have pseudo historians.

No Thracian is above or equal Balto-Slavic,

when Thracian has vocabulary that exist in old and western language, can not be a 'daughter' language of a north language,
it can be mother, or sister, at least I can get it,

the rest about Macedonia and SlavoMakedonia I will overpass,
I will write about ancient Makedonian language, in the thread about Greek languages and dialects,

in fact Greeks never said that Thracians were of Greek origin,
but if you take a good look at Duridanov's work, there is enough that can put Thracian even to this,
the most possible is that primitive North West Greek sprunk from a proto Thracian, or from a proto Greco-Aryan
according IE theory of kurgans, Thracian was first stop to cotofeni, and Greek second at Vatin Serbia, Vucocar third
the rest is upon your mind,
I said Makedonians were very united with some Thracian tribes, like Bryges,
BUT IF MAKEDONIANS SPOKE THRACIAN OR ILLYRIAN ALL ANCIENT WOULD PLACE THEM AS THRACIAN OR ILLYRIANS,
But although they all recogn that they spoke a 'funny dialect-language' I will explain that
none testify that they spoke Thracian or Illyrian or Persian or Celtic,
koine language of new testament has >20% Makedonian words

now you can keep your shelf calm, Slavs are not in danger by Greeks, rather the oposite


and when Alexander started his campaign, said
Πλειστοι Ελληνων πλην Λακεδαιμονιων,
and when the inner strangle started at Indus river, nobody recogn Makedonian as Thracian or Illyrian or any other language,
search the ancient Makedonian language, will do you good,

TO UNDERSTAND ANCIENT MAKEDONIAN, YOU MUST KNOW IE before THAN ANCIENT GREEK,

besides Makedonia is exonym given to us by Atheneans, can you give us our inner name?

 

[Sile]

Similarities between Herodotus to Abraham ben Jacob of different people in different times? Vinko Pribojevic,Mario Alinei and some other supporters of such ethnogensis.

Herodotus about the Thracians:

The Thracians are the most powerful people in the world,second most numerous after the Indians; and if they had one head, or were agreed among themselves, it is my belief that their match could not be found anywhere,
and that they would very far surpass all other nations. But such union
is impossible for them, and there are no means of ever bringing it
about. Herein therefore consists their weakness. The Thracians bear
many names in the different regions of their country, but all of them
have like usages in every respect, excepting only the Getae, the Trausi,
and those who dwell above the people of Creston.


Abraham ben Jacob (a 10th century Sephardic Jewish traveller from Muslim Spain):


Slavic countries extend from the Mediterranean Sea to the Northern Ocean.Generally speaking, Slavs are warlike and violent, and if not their internal discord and lack of unity, no other nation would be able to match them in strength. (...)"


In Herodotus eyes and time perhaps this was how Thracian lands looked like.

Ever since Vinko Pribojevic the founder of the Pan Slavic movement established Thyras and the Thracians as father of the Slavs in the 16th century,Currently Mario Alinei the author of Paleolithic continuity support such ethnogenesis of the Slavs,which i am myself supporter of such ethnogenesis which make much more sense to me.

This map is the same as used by the very ancient greek historians, some say its true and some say its false.

 

[Милан М.]

No Thracian is above or equal Balto-Slavic,

when Thracian has vocabulary that exist in old and western language, can not be a 'daughter' language of a north language,
it can be mother, or sister, at least I can get it,

the rest about Macedonia and SlavoMakedonia I will overpass,
I will write about ancient Makedonian language, in the thread about Greek languages and dialects,

in fact Greeks never said that Thracians were of Greek origin,
but if you take a good look at Duridanov's work, there is enough that can put Thracian even to this,
the most possible is that primitive North West Greek sprunk from a proto Thracian, or from a proto Greco-Aryan
according IE theory of kurgans, Thracian was first stop to cotofeni, and Greek second at Vatin Serbia, Vucocar third
the rest is upon your mind,
I said Makedonians were very united with some Thracian tribes, like Bryges,
BUT IF MAKEDONIANS SPOKE THRACIAN OR ILLYRIAN ALL ANCIENT WOULD PLACE THEM AS THRACIAN OR ILLYRIANS,
But although they all recogn that they spoke a 'funny dialect-language' I will explain that
none testify that they spoke Thracian or Illyrian or Persian or Celtic,
koine language of new testament has >20% Makedonian words

now you can keep your shelf calm, Slavs are not in danger by Greeks, rather the oposite


and when Alexander started his campaign, said
Πλειστοι Ελληνων πλην Λακεδαιμονιων,
and when the inner strangle started at Indus river, nobody recogn Makedonian as Thracian or Illyrian or any other language,
search the ancient Makedonian language, will do you good,

TO UNDERSTAND ANCIENT MAKEDONIAN, YOU MUST KNOW IE before THAN ANCIENT GREEK,

besides Makedonia is exonym given to us by Atheneans, can you give us our inner name?

Doesn't matter if it has words that exist in Western language,the Slavic does also and opposite and surely not from recent contacts.Just some example the word for cow,presence of Celts was documented in the Balkans,Pannonia etc. PSl. *karwā 'cow' OCS krava, Russ. koróva, Cr. krȁva < Proto-Celtic *kerawā.PSl. *krawu, roof (OCS krovъ) can only be traced to Germanic etymons with the same meaning (OE hrōf, ON hróf etc.) if Celtic mediation is assumed, from dialectal PIE *kropo- > Proto-Celtic *krowo.Duridanov worked in communist Bulgaria Soviet satelite.I haven't post this about Macedonia but for Slavic ethnogenesis,however the Greeks deny anything about Slavic presence in Macedonia or Greece,don't know why,but history speak different even for Peloponese,Macedonian Sclaviniae was one of the first to be created and to rebel if is that what we call "Slavic" then we have it from the 7th century.Just one example the Belegezites were living in Thesally,When Thesaloniki was besieged by the Sagudates, Drogubites and other tribes in the late 7th century, the leaders of the Belegezites provided supplies for the besieged population,very weird for migrating "barbarians" to be on then Roman side?Arabs called all Macedonians Slavs-Saqaliba,emperor Basil and Macedonian dynasty of Byzantine empire is one example.

 

[Милан М.]

No Thracian is above or equal Balto-Slavic,

when Thracian has vocabulary that exist in old and western language, can not be a 'daughter' language of a north language,
it can be mother, or sister, at least I can get it,

the rest about Macedonia and SlavoMakedonia I will overpass,
I will write about ancient Makedonian language, in the thread about Greek languages and dialects,

in fact Greeks never said that Thracians were of Greek origin,
but if you take a good look at Duridanov's work, there is enough that can put Thracian even to this,
the most possible is that primitive North West Greek sprunk from a proto Thracian, or from a proto Greco-Aryan
according IE theory of kurgans, Thracian was first stop to cotofeni, and Greek second at Vatin Serbia, Vucocar third
the rest is upon your mind,
I said Makedonians were very united with some Thracian tribes, like Bryges,
BUT IF MAKEDONIANS SPOKE THRACIAN OR ILLYRIAN ALL ANCIENT WOULD PLACE THEM AS THRACIAN OR ILLYRIANS,
But although they all recogn that they spoke a 'funny dialect-language' I will explain that
none testify that they spoke Thracian or Illyrian or Persian or Celtic,
koine language of new testament has >20% Makedonian words

now you can keep your shelf calm, Slavs are not in danger by Greeks, rather the oposite


and when Alexander started his campaign, said
Πλειστοι Ελληνων πλην Λακεδαιμονιων,
and when the inner strangle started at Indus river, nobody recogn Makedonian as Thracian or Illyrian or any other language,
search the ancient Makedonian language, will do you good,

TO UNDERSTAND ANCIENT MAKEDONIAN, YOU MUST KNOW IE before THAN ANCIENT GREEK,

besides Makedonia is exonym given to us by Atheneans, can you give us our inner name?

I have question for you why the Greeks were mostly on Roman side during the Macedonian wars?I don't claim none of this don't take me wrong but rather interested,how Macedonian empire fell apart so fast,because it was mixed heritage empire i guess not al were obedient to central power in Macedonia after Alexander dead?

Macedonian Wars

Macedonian Wars, (3rd and 2nd centuries bc), four conflicts between the ancient Roman Republic and the kingdom of Macedonia. They caused increasing involvement by Rome in Greek affairs and helped lead to Roman domination of the entire eastern Mediterranean area.


The First Macedonian War (215–205 bc) occurred in the context of the Second Punic War, while Rome was preoccupied with fighting Carthage. The ambitious Macedonian king Philip V set out to attack Rome’s client states in neighbouring Illyria and confirmed his purpose in 215 by making an alliance with Hannibal of Carthage against Rome. The Romans fought the ensuing war ineffectively, and in 205 the Peace of Phoenice ended the conflict on terms favourable to Philip, allowing him to keep his conquests in Illyria.


Philip then began attacking Rhodes, Pergamum, and other Greek city-states of the Aegean. The Second Macedonian War (200–196) was launched by the Roman Senate against Philip after he refused to guarantee to make no hostile moves against these states. Philip’s forces were badly defeated by the Romans and their Greek allies in a battle at Cynoscephalae in 197. The terms of peace included the loss of most of his navy, payment of a large indemnity to Rome, and the loss of his territories outside of Macedonia. Rome subsequently established a benevolent protectorate over Greece.


Philip’s son and successor, Perseus (reigned 179–168), began to make alliances with various Greek city-states and thus aroused the displeasure of Rome. So began the Third Macedonian War (171–168), which ended in 168 when the Roman army of Lucius Aemilius Paullus utterly defeated Perseus’ forces at the Battle of Pydna. Perseus was taken back to Rome in chains, and Macedonia was broken up into four formally autonomous republics that were required to pay annual tribute to Rome. This arrangement produced a state of chronic disorder in Macedonia, however, and in 152 a pretended son of Perseus, Andriscus, tried to reestablish the Macedonian monarchy, thus provoking the Fourth Macedonian War (149–148). The Roman praetor Quintus Caecilius Metellus crushed the rebellion with relative ease, and in 146 Macedonia was made a Roman province. It was in fact the first province of the nascent Roman Empire.
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[TD="bgcolor: #DCDCDC, colspan: 2, align: center"]Part of the Second Macedonian War[/TD]
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A map showing the location of Cynoscephalae.[/TD]
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[TH]Date[/TH]
[TD]197 BC[/TD]
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[TD]Thessaly[/TD]
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[TH]Result[/TH]
[TD]Decisive Roman victory[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Belligerents[/TH]
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[TD]Roman Republic
Aetolian League allies[/TD]
[TD]Macedon[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Commanders and leaders[/TH]
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[TD]T. Quinctius Flamininus[/TD]
[TD]Philip V of Macedon[/TD]
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[TD]20,000 infantry, 2,000 light infantry, 2,500 cavalry, and 20 war elephants 24,500 men total^[1][/TD]
[TD]16,000 phalangites, 4,000 light infantry, 5,000 mercenaries and allies, and 2,000 cavalry, 27,000 total ^[1][/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Casualties and losses[/TH]
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[TD]about 2,000 killed or wounded[/TD]
[TD]8,000 killed, 5,000 captured[/TD]
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[TH="class: summary, bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Second Macedonian War[/TH]
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The Aegean on the eve of the Second Macedonian War, c. 200 BC[/TD]
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[TD]200–197 BC[/TD]
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[TD]Greece[/TD]
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[TH]Result[/TH]
[TD]Roman victory[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Belligerents[/TH]
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[TD]Roman Republic
Kingdom of Pergamon
Republic of Rhodes
Aetolian League

Republic of Athens[/TD]
[TD]Macedon[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Commanders and leaders[/TH]
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[TD]Titus Flamininus[/TD]
[TD]Philip V of Macedon[/TD]
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[TH="class: summary, bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Third Macedonian War[/TH]
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[TD="bgcolor: #DCDCDC, colspan: 2, align: center"]Part of the Macedonian Wars[/TD]
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[TD]171–168 BC[/TD]
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[TD]Roman victory[/TD]
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[TD]Roman Republic,
Kingdom of Pergamon[/TD]
[TD]Kingdom of Macedon[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Commanders and leaders[/TH]
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[TD]Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus,
Eumenes II[/TD]
[TD]Perseus of Maced[/TD]
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[TH="class: summary, bgcolor: #B0C4DE, colspan: 2, align: center"]Fourth Macedonian War[/TH]
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[TD="bgcolor: #DCDCDC, colspan: 2, align: center"]Part of Macedonian Wars[/TD]
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[TH]Date[/TH]
[TD]150–148 BC[/TD]
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[TD]Macedon[/TD]
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[TD]Roman victory[/TD]
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[TD]Quintus Caecilius Metellus Macedonicus[/TD]
[TD]Andriscus[/TD]
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[Милан М.]

Old Church Slavonic schools.


Saint Panteleimon (Macedonian: Свети Пантелеjмон, Sveti Pantelejmon, pronounced [pantɛlɛjˈmɔn]; Greek: Άγιος Παντελεήμων) is a monastery in Ohrid, Republic of Macedonia situated on Plaošnik. It is attributed to Clement of Ohrid, a disciple of Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius. Archaeologists have come to believe that the monastery was the site where the first students of the Glagolitic alphabet (used to translate the Bible into Old Church Slavonic) were taught.
The monastery is believed to have been built when Saint Clement arrived in Ohrid
Clement participated in the mission of Cyril and Methodius to Great Moravia. After the death of Cyril, Clement accompanied Methodius on his journey from Rome to Pannonia and Great Moravia. After the death of Methodius himself in 885, Clement headed the struggle against the German clergy in Great Moravia along with Gorazd. After spending some time in jail, he was expelled from Great Moravia and in 885 or 886 reached the borders of Bulgaria together with Naum of Preslav.
Many archaeologists believe that Clement himself designed and constructed the monastery. Clement, along with Naum of Preslav would use the monastery as a basis for teaching the Glagolitic and Cyrillic alphabets to Christianised Slavs thus making it a university.


The monastery stands on a hill which is now known as Plaošnik overlooking Lake Ohrid. Clement built his monastery on a restored church and a Roman basilica of five parts (the remains of the basilicas can still be seen outside the monastery). Judging by the architectural style and design of the monastery, researchers say that Saint Clement intended for his building to be a literary school for disciples, thus it is believed to be the first and oldest discontinued university in Europe.

Swastika near the baptisery (Roman times)

 

[Yetos]

Doesn't matter if it has words that exist in Western language,the Slavic does also and opposite and surely not from recent contacts.Just some example the word for cow,presence of Celts was documented in the Balkans,Pannonia etc. PSl. *karwā 'cow' OCS krava, Russ. koróva, Cr. krȁva < Proto-Celtic *kerawā.PSl. *krawu, roof (OCS krovъ) can only be traced to Germanic etymons with the same meaning (OE hrōf, ON hróf etc.) if Celtic mediation is assumed, from dialectal PIE *kropo- > Proto-Celtic *krowo.Duridanov worked in communist Bulgaria Soviet satelite.I haven't post this about Macedonia but for Slavic ethnogenesis,however the Greeks deny anything about Slavic presence in Macedonia or Greece,don't know why,but history speak different even for Peloponese,Macedonian Sclaviniae was one of the first to be created and to rebel if is that what we call "Slavic" then we have it from the 7th century.Just one example the Belegezites were living in Thesally,When Thesaloniki was besieged by the Sagudates, Drogubites and other tribes in the late 7th century, the leaders of the Belegezites provided supplies for the besieged population,very weird for migrating "barbarians" to be on then Roman side?Arabs called all Macedonians Slavs-Saqaliba,emperor Basil and Macedonian dynasty of Byzantine empire is one example.

Milan?

are you from Fyrom, Serbia, or Bulgaria?

I my shelf wrote many times about the 5 Slavic tribes that entered Greece,
I my shelf said that there is an 8 to 14% Slavic admixture in modern greeks, (everybody giveswhatever, they give from 3 to 30% according their will each),
I my shelf admit that in some parts of Makedonia Slavic element was high enough,
DO YOU ADMIT THAT IN MONASTER STROMNITSA GREEK ELEMENT WAS HIGH?
do you admit that in Novisad Greeks were 40% of the city?
do you know that 4-13% of modern Serbia are Greeks and Aromani from Makedonia
search the Georgakis Olympios case, you will find more there,
I have met and spoke with the greater Hydrologist of Balkans before more than a decade,
do you know his story?

anyway the entrance of Slavs in Greek Makedonia has nothing to do with ancient Makedonia
do not make that mistake,
if you want search in the Forum posts and opinions,,
this is discussed more than 700 post

about Βασιλειος, Ι let you find his origin and family,
and THE NAME GIVEN TO HIM,

 

[Милан М.]

Milan?

are you from Fyrom, Serbia, or Bulgaria?

I my shelf wrote many times about the 5 Slavic tribes that entered Greece,
I my shelf said that there is an 8 to 14% Slavic admixture in modern greeks, (everybody giveswhatever, they give from 3 to 30% according their will each),
I my shelf admit that in some parts of Makedonia Slavic element was high enough,
DO YOU ADMIT THAT IN MONASTER STROMNITSA GREEK ELEMENT WAS HIGH?
do you admit that in Novisad Greeks were 40% of the city?
do you know that 4-13% of modern Serbia are Greeks and Aromani from Makedonia
search the Georgakis Olympios case, you will find more there,
I have met and spoke with the greater Hydrologist of Balkans before more than a decade,
do you know his story?

anyway the entrance of Slavs in Greek Makedonia has nothing to do with ancient Makedonia
do not make that mistake,
if you want search in the Forum posts and opinions,,
this is discussed more than 700 post

about Βασιλειος, Ι let you find his origin and family,
and THE NAME GIVEN TO HIM,

Many cities were settled by Greek speakers speacialy in sea coast,i don't deny that,I can't give you percentage since all balkan is similar in genetics,difference is language,well we look different on certain historical developments,you say Slav enter well i fail to notice in any Greek authors,not in miracle saint dimetrius,that Sclavenes entered Greece or Macedonia,Balkans from somewhere else,for every Sclavenes written for within the empire, authors give as status quo,or the one that were raiding was going back to Danube their power base,the migration went unnoticed,actually in a chapter he call the Sclavenes neighbours,which where living in the hinterland of Thesaloniki,those same tribes besegied the city,i see the Sclavenes as rebels against Roman empire interpreted as something different in that 19th century inception,since they were always Roman enemies and Sclaviniae meant something like Enclaves and the derived word is not ethnic adjective,how language development took place can't claim with certainty,since we have long time span,let's say from Thracian attested to Old Church Slavonic and turbulent period,some languages after so many years lost most of their words and change completely,which didn't happened so much here.

 

[Милан М.]

Some Old Toponyms mostly from Illyria,Mysia,Pannonia and from among other Slavic countries.
Work of Pavel Josef Safarik(1795-1861) from his book origin of the Slavs,majority toponyms are before the pre-Celtic in the Danube region.
The text is in Serbian Cyrillic,google translate won't do the job properly,anyway will post it bellow with translation from google.

- Acumincum, 'Ακούμιγκον, ' Ακούμινκον (Pannon., 161) Птол., Acimincum, Ит. ант., Нот. дигн. Ам. Марцелин, Acunum [Таб.Пејт...], Rav., погрешно написано уместо Acumincum; данашња тврђава на стени Петроварадин, као и каменьць и сада место у близини тврђаве Каменица од речи камень словачки kamen, kemen, отуда мађарски kemeny, kemencze, и име = Sclankemund Slankemen уместо Slankamen слани камен (од сланог извора не од измишљене речи Salan) код Арнолда [III.30], упореди и име Chemnitz у Саксонији уместо Каменица; након одвајања слова а код Грка и Латина, које по правилу стоји испред варварских посебно словенских личних имена; упореди поред аналогних ανθη, ανθος, ; и kwet, цвјет, άκουω и чују, αρπω, αρπαζω и отети, άστήρμ и звезда, ardea и рода, armus и раме, antrum и нора, aurora и зора итд. Властита имена Albis и Lab, Asanka и Sandec, Amisius и Мжа, Azizia или Azizi и Жича, Ardagastos и Радгост, Artameres и Радомир, Agazziri или Acazziri и Khozari, Козари, Abotrit и Бодрци, Бодроци, Avaren и Варини, Amazaei и Mazaei, Avendo и Vendus, Ausugum и Сугана, Amazones и Мужину, пољски Mežyny итд, остаје корен c-m-n. што значи k-m-n. камен., од тога каменьць, каменица имена од хиљада словенски насељених места.


- Almus (брдо у Панонији, 222) Кас. Дион, Флав. Воп., Аур. Вик; некадашњи Лом, данас Фрушка, Франкенберг; упореди Лом са брда (Berge) - Almus (река у Мезији, 79.) Плин., Птол., Т. Пејт.; данашња Лом; упореди Ломница п. у Загребу, са местом Amutria 'Αμούτριον (Dakija, 161.) Птол., Таб. Пејт.;
у данашње време повлашено Мотру река и град од речи модръ плаво, као што су многобројне речи град Модра, Модрич, Модруш, Модрусје, Модруспоток и др. у Словачкој, у Босни, Хрватској, река Модр у Чешкој


- Arba, "'Αρβη, "Αρβα, "Αρβων (Liburn. Ins. St„ 79.) Плин., Т. Пејт., Стеф. Виз. Конст. П.; данашњи назив Раб.


- Arrabo (река и град у Панонији., 161.) Птол., Т. Пејт., Annal.Fuld.: данашњи назив Раб; упореди Rhabon река у Дакији, Раб, Раба, Рабица, Рабца река и Рабча. Рабчица место у Мађарској, Ребенка река у Чешкој, Рабка. Раба река и град у Пољској. од рабъ, pябъ, рябій упореди Cavetza.


- Ardius "Αρδιος, Ardiaei.'Αρδαίοι (брдо н народ у Илирији, 43 пре Христа) Цицеро, Страбон код којег је погрешан начнн читања „Αδριος, Плин., Птол; планински ланац Захумља и његових становника; Цицеро и Плин. Vardaei, код Страбона Vardii, код Птол. Вардеи је извитоперена реч од Ардиаеи; упореди Rudehor у Чешкој, Ruden река, исто Руда река у Тракији, од роуда ruda, чији је корен роуд у изговору код странаца претворен у ръд због простезе слова а. Арса „Αρσα (Дардан., 527-550.) Прок.; данашња Раса


- Arsena 'Αρσεγα [Дардан. област Ниша, 527-550] Прок. данас Расина, Arsia (река у Хистрији, 79) Плин., Т.Пејт., Флор., Рав.; данашње Раса, итализирано Арса


- Арзон "Αρζον (Трак., 527-550.) Прок.; на реци Рашка, још неоткривено.


- Арзос "Αρζος, "Αρτισκος; Acta град Аlех.; данашња Рашка; од словенског корена ръс, й'с од ономатопејског израза за течење и жуборење воде потиче велик број назива за словенске реке и насељена места, упореди Рад, Раса, Расеница, Расина, Расница, Рака, Раса, Реса, Rjäsno, Ресник, Ресица, Ресата, Рисна, Рос, Рс, Роса, Руса, Русеца, Räzanj, Rešov рьшава обично Оршава, Орша, Оршица, Оршик, река и град у Русији, Литванији, Пољској, Чешкој, Словачкој, Србији, Бугарској итд.


- Aucha (река у Сарматији 552.) Јорд., погрешно написано уместо Vacha; данашњи Вах; упореди Vach уместо Vah, Vag, Vaga, Važka река у Русији; јасно се види корен


- Бабас Βάβας (Макед., 527-550.) Прок; данашње Бобушево; од основне речи баб, боб отац образовао је Словен називе брда и села: Баб, Баба, Бабич, Бабина, Бабинец, Бобуш, Бобота, Бобовец у Мађарској итд.


- Badziania Βαδζιάνια (Мезија, 527-550.) Прок,:, данашње Бадање; стару реч бадањ Србин зна у речи бадњи дан и у речи бадањ, једној врсти млинарске каце.


- Ballesina Βαλλεσινα (Дард., 527-550.) Прок.; данас потурчен израз Булачана.


- Baloie (Доња Панонија., 250.) Т. Пејт., Βάγκεις Банкес погрешно преписао Теоф. Симоката, Балбе Βάλβη, код Теофана, Балеа код Анастас., Belicha код Винфрида (Р. Winfrid), Балоја Рав.; данашње Бела, Белај, Била, Билај; упореди Белај насељено место у Слуњској регији (Sluiner Reg.,) Бјелајци; од беълљ, илирски белъ, билъ од чега потичу многобројна словенска имена - Банес Βάνες (у Мезији, 527-550.7 Прок.); данас Баница.


- Bantia (Илирикум, 183 пре Христа) Полиб.; данашње Баница; од баня-thermae, Бад (banja) словачки јаmа.


- Барбана (река у Далмацији, 19. год. пре Христа) Liv. verbalhornt; данашња Бољана, Бојана; упореди Бојана река код Средеца у Бугарској, Бојња река у Твершену (Twerschen)


- Басанте [река и насељено место у Доњој Панонији, 250; Т. Пејт., Нот. Дигн.. Ацта С. Ирен]; данашњи Босут, упореди Басит притока Дњепра, Босец река у Русији, Басита, Бост место у Словачкој, чак Босна река и земља, код Апиана Посинија, даље стара Bassiana у Сирмију спада такође овде.


- Bebii Βεβια ορη (планина у Доњој Панонији, 161.) Птол.; раније Babjegory, данас различито названа према пределима; упореди Бабагора између Македоније и Илирикума, код Теофилакта погрешно написана Βάγορα код Фулкерија (Fulcherius), Багулатус, Бабиагора у Арви (Arwa) и Пољској, Баба планина у Чешкој, Бабина брдо у Gömorer С.


- Bennika Βεννίκι (Округ у Тракији, 161.) Птол.; данашњи Бањски-дистрикт.


- Bersovia (Дакија, уствари Сарм. лим., 106-250.) Т. Пејт., Рав., Berzobis, Присциан из Трајанових личнописаних Commentarien:


„inde Berzobin, deinde Aixi processimus;"


још у средњем веку град Берза, Брза, на данашњој реци Берзава, Брзава; упореди Борза, Борзна река у Русији, Бржвода река у Чешкој, Брза, Берза, Брзаја, Брзава, Брзотин насељено место у Мађарској; Брж, Брзав, Брзава лична имена; од бръзъ брзо; у речима Берзовис, Берзовиа, па зар се не препознаје творбени слог - ов - Berzana Βέρζανα (Дард., 527-550) Прок.; још непроверено, зато је под сумњом, да ли је од брз или од бреза.


- Bessi (Народ у Тракији 456. пре Христа) [Херод. Полб. Страбон, Фасти ром. Инскр.]; Бјеси, Беси, народ описан од целог средњег века као највећи разбојници, отуда од бъсъ, бесъ што још данас значи код Словена демон (daemon), нечастиви; упореди сарматске Бјесе у Карпатима; упореди и Вариаг и враг, непријатељ, странац, финије Влци, Љутичи.


- Бора (планина у Илирикуму, 19. пре Христа) Лив., Βερνούς; Диод.Сиц., Βαρνούς Страбон, Бореа Vib.Sequ.; данас Бора; упореди Борен Боровка планина у Чешкој, Бор, Бор, Борје, Борово планина и место у Мађарској, Бореч планина и дворац у Србији; од боръ првобитно бор затим борова шума, шума, брдо.


- Brigantia (Vindel., 161) Ит.Ант.Ам. Марц. Brigantium Птол., Т. Пејт. Вита С. Магни, Brucantia Rav.; данашњи Брегенц; упореди прастаро име места и реке Брегуница, Брегалница у Горњој Македонији; како у немачком тако и у римском начину говора и писања јавља се словенски наставак - ниц, - ница; језеро Бригантин код Страбона, Плин. и Ам.Марц. звало се према Мели и Птол. Венетус; упореди Brigantium у Доњој Панонији, између осталог - Brigobannis, Brigobanna (Винд., 250.) Т. Пејт.; код Bräunlingen-a на реци Брег, требало би да гласи брига келтски као и Берг немачки и брег словенски, још увек није одређен приоритет припадања; од корена брег имају Словени од прастарих времена имена река, градова и племена, овде облик одлучујуће говори у прилог Словена - Бригиани (Народ у Rhät., 9 год. пре Христа - 79.) Тrор Drusi код Плин.: или Брђани, или Брежани, оба позната словенска племена


- Budalia (Доња Панонија., родно место Дециуса, пре 250.) It.Ant.Eutr., Aur.Vict., It.Hier., Hieron.Chron.; у средњем веку Francavilla, касније Nagz-Olasz. али склепано Mangelosz (данас Манђелос); од основне речи боудъ Baute.


- Будва (Далмација, 449. пре Христа), Βουθοία код Софокла, Βουθόν код Skylax-a. Будуа код Птоломеја, где је погрешним писањем написано Βουλόύα Λ уместо Δ. Ит. Ант. Стеф. Виз.. Butua Плин., Т. Пејт.. где је погрешно написано Батуа. Βοντόα I. Butova Конст. П.: данашња Будва, по садржају и облику исто тако словенска реч као Будин и Москва.


- Билазора (Дард. 19 пре Христа) Лив.. Βήλλα Bella Прок.; данашњи потурчен назив Биљач; положај места је неоспоран.


- Calis Κάλις; (Мезија, 527-550.) Прок., вероватно Γαλίτζα; код Кинама, данашњи Галич тврђава-руина у пределу Мораве; поређењем Kalisz, Kalusz, Kalitva, Kaluga, Kaloča, Kalužka, насељених места и река у Пољској, Русији, Мађарској са именима Galicz у Карпатима, Mazow., Русији, Холич у Мађарској добијамо све из корена калъ и галъ Calybe, metath. Cabyle (Трак., 183 пре Христа) Полиб., Страбон, Плин., Птол., Т. Пејт., Ит. Ант. Секст., Руф., П. Винфрид, Рав., Goloe Script. Byz.; сада склепано као реч Головица; упореди Колиба река у Чешкој, насељено место у Турској; од колиба, Hütte, a та реч од колъ колац. Карни (Царни) (народ из Карније, 19 Пре Хр.) Лив., Инскр.; Крајнци; од крај, крајина, првобитно Венда, касније потиснутих од Келта; упореди Крајина више земаљских округа под Словенима, Укри, Украјина итд.


- Касра (Доња Панонија, 250) Т. Пејт.; данашњи Козарац на брду Козара; код очите истоветности места узалудан труд да се коригује Таб. Пејт.; упореди Козак, Козаков, Козинец брдо у Чешкој, Козар, Козарац, Козаревац, Козелец, Козино, Козлов, Козачја место и река у Русији и Мађарској.


- Катари (народ у Доњој Панонији, 79) Плин.; данашњи Котари, предео.


- Cattarikos, Κατταρικός (Дард. 527. - 550.) Прок.; још неиспитано.


- Cattarus Κατταρός (Далмација, 1-527) Инскр. Ром. Cattharenses, Прок., Decadaron Рав., Δεκάτερα Конст. П.; данашњи Котор; упореди Котар, Котари, Котарице, Котор, Котори, Которице место у Хрватској, Далмацији, Србији, Chotar брдо у Арви (Arwa); од котаръ, словачки хотаръ, confinium гранично подручје, упореди х = к: хороугвь чешки koruhev; пошто је гранъ словенски, може ли бити да хотаръ, није словенски? Cavetza Καβετζά (Пеонија, 527.-550) Прок.; данашња Кавица у Горњој Македонији, притока Брегалнице; упореди Кава река у Твершену (Twerschen), Кавица река у граду Петерсбургу; Кавица је у Пеонији постало име реке, као крк гавран (Rabe), orel opao (Adler), sowa сова (Eule), čiž штиглиц, golub голуб (Taube), tetrev тетреб и др. у Русији, Пољској, Чешкој, Далмацији


- Цернетани (Cernetani) (народ у Рет. 79.) Плин.; данашњи Цернец (Tzernetz, Cernec) на реци Inn.


- Clesvestita Κλεσβεστίτα (Дард., 527-550) Прок.; данашња Клештевица планина; од клест, шума, изданак, клестити, словачки клеснити опсећи.


- Colapis (река у Јапид., 20.) Страбон, Плин. Кас. Дион; данас Кулпа, Купа, уместо клъпа: упореди Колпа, Колпинка река у Русији, Колпичје језеро, Колпина град и село, Кулпин село и мораст, Купина, Купа, Купинова село у Русији, Мађарској, Срему: упореди у вези са обликом Упа, Свапа река у Русији и др.


- Conisco (Мезија) Инскр. Ром.; Кониште, још недоказано; упореди Konick, Конин у Пољској. Русији даље место у Мађарској од коњ.


- Coralli Κωραλλοι (народ у трачком балканском горју Хемуса, 17) Овидије, Страбон, Апиан, Вал. Флак.; Gorali; упореди Горали у Пољској.


- Corcoras (река у Панонији, 20) Страбон, Corcac Рав.; данас Гурк уместо Крк, упореди Крка, Керка река у Далмацији, у Мађарској (Salader окр.), Крконоше планина у Чешкој; од кръкъ гавран.


- Corcyra (Далматинска острва, 390 пре Хр.) Κερκύρα Скилакс, Апол., Скимн., Страбон, Апиан, Агатем, Плин, Птол, Т. Пејт., Ит. Ант., Рав.; данас Каркар, упореди горе наведено.


- Corinium (Далмација, 79) Плин., Птол., Darcorithon Рав., бивши Корин данас италијанизован назив Карин; упореди Корен, Корана брдо, река, место у Хрватској, Корањ, Коренка стари град у Русији, Корењ притока Донца, Коренев острво у Волги и др.


- Cryvizi, Crovyzi Κροβύζοι (народ у Тракији, 456. пре Хр.) Херод., Перипл. Ан., Страбон, Птол., Плин.; Кривици. упореди Кривичен код Нестора; Плин. именује Crobyze над Аксиацитима (Axiaciten) на реци Axiaces, који су према томе средишна веза између руског и трачког; упореди Кривичина брдо у Македонији, Кривича острво у Србији, Кривичи место у руској Пољској, Криевиц у десловенизованој Немачкој.


- Cuccium, Cucci, (Панонија, 250) Т. Пејт. Ит. Ант., Cutio Рав.; руине код Илока; или од кяшча casa, кућа, што изгледа да је сродно са кать, кат, или од коучь, кычаь што је настало од кькъ, врх, упореди cac-umen, санскртски kesch брдски гребен, отуда Кучај брдо у Србији, Kyčera брдо у Gömörer-y


- Curcum (Далмација, 161) Птол., још неиспитано, на реци Titus, некада Туčа, сада Крка према граду; упореди Corcoras.


- Curicta (Далматинска острва, 20) Плин., Cyractica Страбон, Курика (Curica) Т. Пејт., Curicum, Curricos Рав.; данас Карек, од кръкь, упореди горе; крк је била птица љубимица старих Словена, има симболичан смисао, као касније вран и гавран.


- Daesitiates (народ у Далмацији) Инсцр. Ром.; на планини Десич, Десић, Desitj


- Dalluntum, Diluntum (Далмација, 250.) Т. Пејт.; данас Доли, некада Доленц?


- Dalmatae, Delmatae (народ, 20) Страбон, Inscr.; праоблик је длъматъ Далмат, упореди Хрват, Срмат, Србат, Сагудат код Јована Каменијате упореди Делеменци и Гломази, читај Дломази у Немачкој (део код Дитмара:


- „nos theutonice Delemenci vocamus, Slavi autem Glomazi appelant"


садржи очито заблуду и само жели да каже: што смо ми Немци променили у Делеменци изговарају Словени у ствари длъменьць, длъменци, Длменц, Длменци или такође Длмец, Длмци, Длмат, Длмати, Г је код њега погрешно написано уместо Д.).


- Dalminium, Delminium (град у Далмацији, 20) Страбон, Птол., Апиан, Флор., Аур. Викт., Dalmium Стеф., Византијски, Еустат., Δαλέν Конст. П., у средњем веку Думнум, Дувнум: данас Думно, Дувно уместо Длмно. што указује на основну реч длъма, од чега је настало долма? - Преостало у облику долама, Deborus. Deberus. Δήβορος, Δόβηρος; (Илирикум. 424. Пре Хр.) Тукид.. Плнн.. Птол.. Стеф. Византијски, Хијерок., Δόβρη Кедрен, Акроп., Георг., Δεύρη Ана Ком.. Кантак., данас град Дeбра, шиптарски Дибра. - Debre Δέβρη (Тракија 527- 550) Прок., данас Дебре - Debrera (Мезија, 527-550) Прок: вероватно Дебрц, упореди Дебр, Дебри, Дебрц, српски Дабар, Дабри прастари град и замкови у Херцеговини, Србији, Хрватској и др.; од дебрь долина, шума, што почива на дябъ деб дебло, боље дуб.


- Doklea Δόκληα (Далмација, 79), Ducleatae народ Птол., Docleatae Плин., Dioclea погрчено код Аур. Викт., у Скрипт. Биз. δώκλα, код Конст. П., где се то Λουτοδώκλα треба рашчланити у το Λουτο το Δόκλα данас Дукља, Дукљан, руине вредне помена на ушћу Зете у Морачу; упореди Дукла у Галицији.


- Dolebin Δολεβιν (Илирикум, 527-550) Прок.; Дуљебин-, упореди Дуљеби код Нестора, Дуљеби место у руској Пољској, Галицнји, Daudleby у Чешкој, Дулебице и др.


- Dolonki (народ у Тракији 456. пре Хр.) Херод., Doloncae Плин.; упореди Тауланти (Taulantii) и Дољенци. - Dorakion (Превалис, 456-474) Хијерокле: данас Драч на језеру Плавно; упореди Drachiverh у Хрватској, Драч или Dyrrachium и др. од драчь, драчїе, драч (трнов шиб) што потиче од дероу-драти


- Draeus Δραίος; (река у Панонији, 20) Страбон, који ју је заменио са Дравом, зато вероватно 'Οδραίος данас Одра притока Саве; упореди Одра у Чешкој.


- Dravus Δράβος, Dravis, Draus (река у Панонији, 79.) Плин., Птол., П. Винф., Рав.; данас Драва, који назив најављује још Птоломеј:


„Daros, читај Draos, qui nunc a barbaris Dara,
читај Draa, што значи Drava, vocatur";


упореди Дравице брдо и река у Чешкој, Драве, Дравен, Древан река и жупа у Немачкој, Надравиа, провинција у Старопруској, Драв, Драва, Дравец, Дравце, место у Мађарској и др.; а у погледу облика Млава, Плава, Плева, Пива, Рава, Клева, Скава, словенске реке; од дравъ река која дере, прикладно природи, коју је познавао још Плиније: „Dravus violentior", и коју поречани често оплакују.


- Drinus Δρήνος, Δρεινος (две реке у Илирикуму, 20) Страб., Плин., Птол., Т. Пејт., Виб. Секв., Скр. Виз.; данас Дрин и Дрина; упореди Дрина река у Чешкој, Дринов град у Словачкој, многобројна места Дрјен, Дрен, Дрин; од основне речи - дрънъ, дринъ, као река Јесен, Лепен, Сосна, Липа, Дубен, Хабр, Клен итд.


- Друбета Δρουφηγίς; (Дакија, 161.) Птол., Т. Пејт., Нот. Дигн., Инскр.; данас Дрвица; упореди Дрзевица град и река у Пољској, Дрвенца река, као и Друентиа код Страбона, у области Саласер сада Дравенца река, Друјец притока Дњепра, Dervenich далматинско острво нтд. - Dyrrachium (Илирикум, 400-183.) Нуми, Полиб., Цез.. Лив., Страбон. Плин., Птол., Т. Пејт.; Ит. Ант.; Хијерокле, Стеф. Виз., Кас. Дион, Апиан., Прок., Скр. Виз.; данас Драч, шиптарски Dures; упореди Dorakion: да су Римљани дали име Dorakion граду Епидамнусу је измишљотина, исти се јавља на грчким новчићима а они су старији од предања Римљана о Илирима; Eckhel P. I. V. II.


- German Γέρμαν (Дард. , 456-474) Хпјер., Прок.. Конст. П.: данас Чрмен, као и кроз цео средњи век у бугарско-српским документима и хроникама; упореди Чрмен прастари чувени град код Адријанопоља, више насељених места у Бугарској итд., од чръменъ, у другим наречјима чрвен, црвен.


- Germene Γέρμενε (Мезија, 527-550) Прок.; још ненстражено.


- Germas Γέρμας; (Дард. 527-550) Прок.; још неистражено, приближно речи Чрмен.


- Glinditiones (народ у Далмацији, 79) Плин.; Гледиче на брду глядичь, упореди Похлед брдо у Чешкој, Гледен брдо и град (данашњи Устјуг) у Русији.


- Grabaei (народ у Далмацији, 19 пре Хр.) Плин., Агравоните (Agravonitae) Лив.; Грабовљани.


- Granua (река у Сарматији, лим. 180) М. Ант. Фил.; некада Хран, Гран, сада Хрон, гранична река, као и до данашњих дана на извору Храновнице; упореди Храничнице река у Чешкој; од грань граница.


- Gratiana (Илирикум, 426) Нот. Дигн., Хијер.; данашња Градчаница, упореди Hradčany. - Грибо Γρίβο (Мезија, 527-550) Прок.; данас руине гребен, обично назив за брдски гребен који штрчи.


- Herona (Далмацнја, 161) Птол.; данашња Врана, несагледив је број словенских имена од речи вранъ. - Јадер, Јадера (река у Далмацији, 44. пре Хр.) А. Хирт., Нуми., Мела., Плин., Птол., Ит. Ант., Лук., Рав., Скр. Виз.; данас итализирана реч Задар; упореди Јадар притока Дрине у Србији, Јадва река у Лици, Јадина река у Тракији, Јадерх место; од ядpo.


- Issa „Іσσα (далматинско острво, 390 пре Хр.) Скил., Ским., Полиб., Агатем, Агатарх., Апиан, Страбон, Лив., Птол., Т. Пејт.; данашњи Вис, италијански Lissa; упореди Висла, Виса, Вислок, Вислока, Вислица, Висак, Вислава река и град у свим словенским земљама.


- Истер (456 пре Хр.) Херод., Скил., Скимн., Вирг., Циц., Корн., данас Дунав, Дунај раније вероватно Остр; упореди Остр, Остер притока реке Десна у Русији, источно руска притока реке Сож и са Истрополис, што није на Истеру, упореди Остропол у Пољској; исто тако је Влха поток у Чешкој и Влга, Волга, светска река; на једном одређеном нивоу не мења се представљање.


- Istria, Истри (полуострво и народ, 390. пре Хр.) Скил., Ским., Лив., Плин., Страбон, Стеф. Виз., Инск., Еутр., Јорд.,; некада Остров, острво од првобитног т р, с т р, штрчати: стрн, стрм, стром, као острог од стрегу.


- Labaea, Lebaea, Λαβαία, Λεβαία (горња Македонија, eig. III. Dard., 456. пре Хр.) Херодот године 712 пре Хр.; данас Лаб на реци Лаб, на северној падини Скордиска, Шар; положај јасно произлази код Херодота:


„Gavanes, Aeropus, Perdoccas ех Argo in Illyricos
profugerunt, et ex Illyriis transgressi superiorem
Macedoniam pervenerunt ad urbem Lebaeam" [VIII].


Године 137. одавде су побегли назад према Грчкој на планину Бермиус у доњој Македонији, преко једне велике реке која је у време раста била непремостива (то је Axios, сада река Вардар, тачно на путу Lebaea за Bermius: о бујицама упореди Византијце): из чега се јасно види да Лебеон и Бермиус нису могли бити тако близу. као што се то обично мисли [Крусе и др.)


- Labeatis (језеро у Далмацији. 19 пре Хр.Ј Лив.. Страбон. Плин.. Птол.: данашње црногорско Блато.


- Labutza Λάβουτζα (Дард., 527- 550) Прок., данашња Лабица на реци Лаб, према садржају и грађи заиста словенски; упореди Лабе река у Чешкој, такође Лабнице извор Елбе, Леба, Лабиава, река у Пруској, Либа река у Курланду, Либеђ некада река у кијевском, Лаборца река у Землину, Лаба притока реке Кубан, Лабинец планина у Чешкој, Лебско, Лебедноје језеро у Пруској, Русији, Λαβινετζα Лабинец у Далмацији код Конст. П., Лабун, Лабиеда, Лабнов, Лебедин град у Русији и др.; све у свему од льбъ, a-lb-us, бео, отуда лебоудъ, лабоудъ, лабуд, лебеда, келтски алп од чега Алпе, бела брда, снежна брда; почетак без вокала је знак словенизма: да ли је белт испремештање речи льбъ као што је случај код речи могила и гомила, ратолест и леторост, манжел и малжен, алчен и lačny, руски ладоњ и долоњ?


- Latovici (народ у Панонији, 79) Плин., Птол., Итин., Ант., Инскр, упореди Latoviec, Latovice, између осталог, град у Пољској.


- Lematis, Lamatis (Доња Панонија, 250) Т. Пејт.; Ит. Ант.; где стоји забуном Aematis уместо Lematis, Рав. Данашњи Љевач, упореди Љевач Кнежина у Србији, Лив, Ливиец, Лава, Левјн, Левоча, Левице, Леваре брдо, река и насељено место у Чешкој, Пољској, Словачкој, Русији


- Leusaba (Доња Панонија, 250) Т. Пејт, Ит. Ант., Lausaba Рав.; на данашњој реци Лашва, упореди Љеша, Лачва река у Русији, Љеча река и језеро, Laszov град у Пољској.


- Leusinum (Далмација, 250) Т. Пејт, Ит. Ант., назив места пренео се на жупу Љешанска у Црној Гори, од лесъ, лешь,


- Likates (народ у Норику, 79) Плин., in trop. Drusi; некада Ликавци, упореди Лика река и предео у Хрватској, Ликава клисура у Липтау, Лик притока пољске реке Бобр, Лика, Лига река у Јарославу, Ликола град у Русији и др.; од ликъ, лшкъ, чије је значење познато.


- Lissae (Мезија, 250) Т. Пејт. у балканском горју [Hämus-Pass] још неутврђена. Lissus (Илирикум, 183. пре Хр.) Полиб., Лив., Цез., Диод. Сиц., Мела., Страбон, Плин., Птол., и др.; данашље Љеш од лис, љес, љеш, једно непрегледно мноштво назива насељених места.


- Loranum (Далмација, 250) Т. Пејт., погрешно преписано уместо Aoranum, у средњем веку Aurana, данас Врана.


- Lugea palus Λούγεος ελος (Панонија, 20.) Страбон; Циркнишко језеро; упореди Луха, Луга, Луза, Лужа река у Русији, Лугомира, код Кинама Λογγομήρα, река у Србији; словенско лоуг претходи немачкој речи Laug, од чега луга, лужа бара, језеро.


- Margus (peка и град у Мезији, 20.) Баргос, Мартос, вероватно погрешно написано код Херодота и Страбона, Плин., Т. Пејт. Ит. Ант., Ит. Хиер., Еутроп., Нот. Дигн., Приск., скр. Виз.; данашња Морава, река и Кулич руине, од турске речи кула: словенске Мораве једва да се могу побројати, а Грк, Римљанин, Немац претварају словенско д у а, не обрнуто.


- Mariana Μαριανα, Merion (Дард., 456-474) Хијерок., Прок.; данашња Морава, турски Gölhan.


- Matrix. Matricem (Доња Панонија, 250) Т. Пејт.; још непроверено, ипак несумњиво према имену Модрич, Модруш, као и још већи број градова у и изван Босне; суседно место Bistue из Т. Пејт. живи још у Bištje.


- Mazaei (народ у Далмацији, 20) Страбон, Плин., Птол., Amaezeio Инскрип. Ром.; упореди Мазови у Пољској, Мазин место у Лици.


- Medeka Μέδεκα (Дард., 527-550) Прокоп.; данашња Медока.


- Medoacus (река у Венет., 19. пре Христа) Лив., Страбон, Плин., Т. Пејт.; Brenta - ушће; упореди Мединка река у Русији, Медники, Медина, Мединце, Медокусна, Медињ, Медње град и место у Русији, Мађарској, упореди и Медеон у III веку код Лив. данашњи Медун и Амадока језеро, Амадоци, Модоке народ у Сарматији.


- Melichiza Μελιχισα (Пеон., 529-550) Прок., данас Малешево, Милешево у горњој Македонији, упореди Милешево у Босни, Малшава, Милешов, Мелехов, река и брдо у Чешкој.


- Metubaris (острво у Панонији, 79.) Плин.; Saveinsel, no Reichardu данашње Међустружје, по Катанчичу вероватно Међубарје између Саве и Бикича. Miletes Μιλετή, (Дард., 527-550) Прок.; још неиспитано.


- Millareka Μιλλαρεκα (Дард., 527-550) Прок. у МА. Милчинарека, поменик манастира Раче; код Ниша, још неиспитано; упореди Милатице, Миљетино, Милотичи, између осталог, насељено место у свим словенским земљама, даље река Красна, Смутна у Чешкој, Цна у Русији, ова задња реч у старословенском и словачком cny, cna, cnuo = smutny, и вероватно првобитно реч мутан, затим метафорично тужан: можда овамо првобитно припадају све реке Тенеас, Тиниа, Тина, Τξενα?


- Морисени (Тракија, 79) Плин.; или приморац или сродник по пореклу словенских Моросина у Немачкој; упореди и реч Мересница река у Хрватској.


- Mucaris (Далмација 100-200) Inser. Μουίλκουρον Прок., Mucru Рав., Мокрискик Конст. П., Mucarum, Muchirum, Mocrum у средњем веку; данас итализована реч Макарска, раније Мокро, Мокраска; упореди Мокро код Теоф. Ахр. Охрид. Еп. 65.; упореди безбројна имена насељених места од мокр.


- Naissus, Nisus, Ναισσός, Νισος; (Мезија, 161) Птол., Т. Пејт., Ит. Ант., Ит. Хијер., Приск., Зосим., Хијер., Стеф. Виз., Ам. Марц., Прок., скр. Виз. и др.; данашњи Ниш на реци Ниша, Нишава; упореди Ниса, Низа река у Чешкој, Нис, Нива, Ниву, Ниса, Ниша, Ниешава град и насељено место у Русији, Пољској, Шлезији, Словачкој; од ни-з, ни-с, ни-ж, ни-ш, отуда и словенско ни-ва, њива, ни-ша санскритски ливада, планински пашњак.


- Naro, Narus. Narona, Naresi (peка и град и народ у Далмацији, 390, пре Христа) Скилакс, Страбон, Мела, Плин., Птол., Т. Пејт., Рав., Скр. Биз, данашња Неретва, Норин, Неречани; упореди Нерета, Nerechta, Нура, Нер, Нарев, Нерова, Нара, Нерљ, Неромка река у Русији, Пољској, језеро Нера у Русији, Нарев, Нур, Норинск, Норка, Норскаја такође град; од нроу - нрьети, што je у свим наречјима разгранато, пољски нор место за роњење, нурт река, пловна река. нурзе чешки norјm заронити итд.




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[Милан М.]

- Acumincum, 'Ακούμιγκον,' Ακούμινκον (Pannon., 161) Ptol., Acimincum, It. Ant., Not. Lift. Am. Marcelin, Acunum [Tab.Pejt ...] Rav., Misspelled instead Acumincum; today's Petrovaradin fortress on the rock, as well as scale and now a place near the fortress of words Kamenica Stone Slovak stone, kemen, hence Hungarian Kemeny, kemencze, and name = Sclankemund Slankemen instead Slankamen salty stone (from salty springs not from invented words Salan) code Arnold [III.30], compare and name of Chemnitz in Saxony instead of Kamenica; after the separation of the letters and the Greeks and Latin, which usually stands in front of barbarian Slovenian especially personal names; Compared addition to analog ανθη, ανθος,; and Kwetu, flower, άκουω and hear, αρπω, αρπαζω and kidnapped, άστήρμ and stars, Recanati and gender armus and shoulder, antrum and crazy, aurora and dawn, etc. Proper names Albis and Lab, Asanka and Sandec, Amisius and roses, or Azizia Azizi and wires, Ardagastos and Radgost, Artameres and Radomir, Agazziri or Acazziri and Khozari, Kozara, Abotrit and Bodrci, Bodroci, Avars and Varini, Amazaei and Mazaei, Avendo and Vendus, Ausugum and Sugano, Amazones and Mužina Polish Mežyny etc., remains the root of CMN. which means the k-n-m. stone., out of stones, oyster names of thousands of Slovenian settlements.


- Almus (mountain in Pannonia, 222) Kas. Dion, Flav. Vop., Aur. Vik; former Lom, today Fruska Frankenberg; Lom compared with hills (Berge) - Almus (river Moesia, 79) Gas., Ptol., T. Pejt .; today Lom; compared Lomnica p. in Zagreb with a place Amutria 'Αμούτριον (Dacia, 161.) Ptol., Tab. Pejt .;
Nowadays povlašeno Motru river and the city of words deep blue, like many say the city Modra, bruises, Modruš, Modrusje, Modruspotok and others. in Slovakia, Bosnia, Croatia, river SIDS in the Czech Republic


- Arba, "'Αρβη," Αρβα, "Αρβων (Libourne. Ins. St" 79) Gas., T. Pejt., Steph. Viz. Const. P .; present name Rab.


- Arraba (river and city in Pannonia., 161.) Ptol., T. ****., Annal.Fuld .: today the name of Rab; compared Rhabon river in Dacia, Rab, Rab, Rabič, Rabca rivers and Rabča. Rabčice place in Hungary, Rebenka river in the Czech Republic, Rabka. Raba river and city in Poland. of Rab, Pub, Rabi compared Cavetza.


- ARDIUS "Αρδιος, Ardiaei.'Αρδαίοι (n hill people in Illyria, 43 BC) Cicero, Strabo in which the wrong načnn reading" Αδριος, Gas., Ptol; Zahumlja mountain range and its inhabitants; Cicero and Gas. Vardaei, in Strabo VARDIA, at Ptol. Vardei is distorted word from Ardiaei; compared Rudehor in the Czech Republic, Ruden river, the same river Ore in Thrace, of Rouda ore, which has roots in the roud excuse for foreigners converted to RD for prosteze letters a. Arsa " Αρσα (Dardan., 527-550.) Prok .; today's Race


- Arsen 'Αρσεγα [Dardan. districts of Nis, 527-550] Prok. today Rasina, Arsia (the river in Histriji, 79) Gas., T.Pejt., Flor., Rav .; today's Rasa, italizirano Arsa


- Arzon "Αρζον (Trak., 527-550.) Prok .; on the river Raska, still undiscovered.


- Zarzosa "Αρζος," Αρτισκος; Acta city Aleh .; today Raska; of Slovenian roots RS j's of onomatopejskog term for the sound of water flow and encourage a large number of calls for Slovenian rivers and settlements, and compare Work, Race, Rasenica, Rasina, Rasnica, Cancer, Ethnicity, Fringe, Rjäsno, Resnik, fringes, Resat, Risan, Ross, R, Rosa, Russians, tearing down, spit, Rzeszow diction ends usually Oršava, Orsha, ORŠIĆ, Oršik, river and city in Russia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Serbia, Bulgaria etc.


- Auch (rivers in Sarmatia 552.) Jord., Misspelled instead Vacha; today Vah; compared Vach instead Vah, Vag, Libra, Vazka river in Russia; you can clearly see the root


- Babas Βάβας (Maked., 527-550.) Prok; today Bobuševo; of basic words bab, Bob's father was educated Slav names of hills and villages Bab Baba, TB, Babina, Babinec, Bobuš, Bobota, Bobovec in Hungary etc.


- Badziania Βαδζιάνια (Mesia, 527-550.) Prok,:, today BADANJ; old word badanj Serb knows the words of the Christmas Eve and in the words of stabbing a type of mill tubs.


- Ballesina Βαλλεσινα (Dard., 527-550.) Prok .; now converted to Islam phrase Bulacan.


- Baloie (Lower Pannonia., 250.) T. ****., Βάγκεις Bankes miscopied Teofilo. Simokate, Balbe Βάλβη, at Teofana, Bale with Anastas., Belichi at Winfried (R. Winfrid), Baloji Rav .; today Bela, Belaj, was, Bilaj; cf. Belaj town in Slunjska region (Sluiner Reg.,) Bjelajci; of beʺllj, Illyrian Bel, he encouraged many of which Slovenian names - Banes Βάνες (Moesia, 527-550.7 Prok.); today Banica.


- Bantia (Ilirikum, 183 BC) Polib .; today Banica; of bathhouse-Thermae, Bad (spa) Slovak caves.


- Barban (rivers in Dalmatia, 19 yr. BC) Liv. verbalhornt; today Boljani, Bojana; compared Bojana river near Sredets Bulgaria, Bojnja river in Tveršenu (Twerschen)


- Basant [river and town in Lower Pannonia, 250; T. ****., Not. Dign .. Acta S. Iren]; today Bosut, compared Basit tributary of the Dnieper, Bosec river in Russia, Basit, Bost place in Slovakia, even Bosnia river and earth in Apiano Posinija, still the old Bassiana in Sirmium belongs here too.


- Bebii Βεβια ορη (mountains in Lower Pannonia, 161.) Ptol .; Babjegory earlier today differently named after the regions; compared babág between Macedonia and Illyricum, with Teofilakta misspelled Βάγορα in Fulkerija (Fulcherius), Bagulatus, Babiagora in Arvi (Arwa) and Poland, Baba mountains in the Czech Republic, Babina hill in Gömorer S.


- Bennik Βεννίκι (district in Thrace, 161) Ptol .; today's spa district.


- Bersovia (Dacia actually charm. Lim., 106-250.) T. ****., Rav., Berzobis, Prisciani from Trajan ličnopisanih Commentarien:


"Inde Berzobin, deinde Aixi processimus;"


in the Middle Ages town Stock Exchange, Fast, at today say Berzava, Brzava; Compared exchange, financial river in Russia, Bržvoda river in the Czech Republic, Express, Freight, Brzaja, Brzava, Brzotin town in Hungary; Fast, Brzava, Brzava personal names; from the quick fast; in the words Berzovis, Berzovia, and do not recognize the formative style - s - Berzano Βέρζανα (Dard., 527-550) Prok .; yet untested, because he is under suspicion, whether of fast or birch.


- Bessie (people in Thrace 456 BC) [Herod. POLBET. Strabo, fast rom. Inskr.]; Possessed, Bessie, people described by the Middle Ages as the biggest robbers, hence of BS, anger which today means the Slavs daemon (daemon), devil; compared Sarmatian were in the Carpathians; compare and Variag and the devil, the enemy, the stranger, the finer Vlci, the viper.


- Bora (mountains in Illyricum, 19 BC) Liv., Βερνούς; Diod.Sic., Βαρνούς Strabo, Borea Vib.Sequ .; Today Bora; compared Boren Borovka mountains in the Czech Republic, Pine, Pine, Borje, Borovo mountains and city in Hungary, struggling mountain and castle in Serbia; originally from Pine pine then woods, forest, hill.


- Brigantia (Vindel., 161) It.Ant.Am. Marc. Brigantium Ptol., T. ****. Vita S. Magni Brucantia Rav .; today Bregenz; compare the ancient name of the city and river sand martins, Bregalnica in Upper Macedonia; both in German and in the Roman way of speaking and writing occurs Slovenian sequel - zero - Nice; Lake Brigantine in Strabo, Gas. and Am.Marc. was called by Meli and Ptol. Venetus; compared Brigantium in Lower Pannonia, among others - Brigobannis, Brigobanna (Vind., 250.) T. Pejt .; in Bräunlingen's on the River Breg, should read care Celtic and Berg German and Slovenian hill, has not designated a priority of belonging; from the root hill have Slavs from ancient times, names of rivers, towns and tribes, this form of decisive speaks in favor of the Slavs - Brigiani (people in rhat., 9 yrs. BC - 79) Tror Druse code .: Gas or Brđani, or Brežani , both known Slovenian tribes


- Budalia (Lower Pannonia., The birthplace of Decius, before 250) It.Ant.Eutr., Aur.Vict., It.Hier., Hieron.Chron .; in the Middle Ages Castiglione, later Nagz-Olasz. but scrappy Mangelosz (today Manđelos); of basic words Bouda Baute.


- Budva (Dalmatia, 449 BC), Βουθοία in Sophocles, Βουθόν in Skylax's. Are among Ptolemy, where the misspelling written Βουλόύα Λ instead of Δ. It. Ant. Stef. Viz .. Butua Gas., T. **** .. where is misspelled Batua. Βοντόα I Bhutto Const. P .: today Budva, in content and form as well as Slovenian word as Buddha and Moscow.


- Bilazora (Dard. 19 BC) Liv .. Βήλλα Bella Prok .; today converted to Islam Biljača name; situation of the city is undeniable.


- Calis Κάλις; (Mesia, 527-550.) Prok., Probably Γαλίτζα; in Kinama, today Galič fortress-ruin in the area of ​​the Morava; comparing Kalisz, Kalusz, Kalitva, Kaluga, Kalocsa, Kalužka, settlements and rivers in Poland, Russia, Hungary with names Galicz in the Carpathians, Mazowe., Russia, Holič in Hungary we get all the roots KAL and Gal Calybe, metath. Caby (Trak. 183 BC) Polib., Strabo, Gas., Ptol., T. ****., It. Ant. Sextus., Ruf., P. Winfried, Rav., Golo Script. Byz .; Now scrappy affair as GOLOVIĆ; compared hut river in the Czech Republic town in Turkey; of cottages, Hütte, and the word of Aug stake. Karni (Carni) (people from Carnia, 19 Pre Hr.) Liv., Inskr .; Krajnc; by the end, the landscape, the original Wendy, later suppressed by the Celts; compared Krajina more terrestrial districts under Slavs Ukri, Ukraine etc.


- Kasra (Lower Pannonia, 250) T. Pejt .; today Kozarac on Mount Kozara; with the apparent identity of the city futile effort to correct the Tab. Pejt .; compared Kozak, Rana, Kozinec mountain in the Czech Republic, Kozar, Kozarac, Kozarevac, Kozelec, Kozina, Kozlov, Kozačja city and river in Russia and Hungary.


- Katari (the people in Lower Pannonia, 79) Gas .; Districts today, the landscape.


- Cattarikos, Κατταρικός (Dard. 527 - 550) Prok .; yet untested.


- Cattarus Κατταρός (Dalmatia, 1-527) inskr. Rom. Cattharenses, Prok., Decadaron Rav., Δεκάτερα Const. P .; today's Kotor; Compared District, district, Kotarice, Kotor, KOTORIĆ place in Croatia, Dalmatia, Serbia, Chotár hill in Arvi (Arwa); by Kotaro, Slovak Hotaru, confinium border area, compared h = k horougvʹ Czech koruhev; as is the branch Slovenian, could it be that Hotaru, not Slovenian? Cavetza Καβετζά (Peony, 527-550) Prok .; today Kavica in Upper Macedonia, a tributary of Bregalnica; Compared Coffee rivers in Tveršenu (Twerschen), Kavica river in Petersburg; Kavica in PEONIJA became the name of the river, as Krk Raven (Rabe), an eagle dropped (Adler), Sowa owl (Eule), Číž goldfinch, pigeon pigeon (Taube), Tetřev grouse and others. in Russia, Poland, Czech Republic, Dalmatia


- Cernetani (Cernetani) (people at Ext. 79) Gas .; today Černec (Tzernetz, Zernez) on the river Inn.


- Clesvestita Κλεσβεστίτα (Dard., 527-550) Prok .; today Kleštevica mountains; of pliers, forest, shoot, de-limb, Slovak klesniti Crop.


- Colapis (rivers in Japid. 20) Strabo, Gas. Kas. Dion; today Kulpa, Cup, instead klʺpa: compare Kolp, Kolpinka river in Russia, Kolpičje lake, Kolpino city and village, Kulpin village and nightmarish, Blackberry, Cup, blackberries village in Russia, Hungary, Srem: Compared with respect to form Upa swap rivers in Russia and others.


- Conisco (Mesia) inskr. Rom .; Konist, yet unproven; compared koníčkom, Konin in Poland. Russia remains a place in Hungary since the horse.


- Coralli Κωραλλοι (the people in the trace of the Balkan Mountains Hemus, 17) Ovid, Strabo, Apian, Val. Flak .; Mountains; compared Gora in Poland.


- Corcoras (river in Pannonia, 20) Strabo, Corcac Rav .; today Gurk instead of Krk, compared Krka, Kerka river in Dalmatia, in Hungary (Saladero rev.), Giant Mountains in the Czech Republic; from Krk raven.


- Corcyra (Dalmatian islands, a 390 Hr.) Κερκύρα Scylax, Apol., Skimn., Strabo, Apian, Agate, Gas, Ptol, T. ****., It. Ant., Rav .; today Karkar, compared above.


- Corinium (Dalmatia, 79) Gas., Ptol., Darcorithon Rav., Former Korin today italijanizovan name Karin; compared Koren, Quran mountain, river, city in Croatia, Koranj, Korenke old city in Russia, Korenj tributaries donc, Korenev island in the Volga and others.


- Cryvizi, Crovyzi Κροβύζοι (people in Thrace, a 456 Hr.) Herod., Periplus. An., Strabo, Ptol., Gas .; Guilt. compared with wrongful Nestor; Gas. appoints Crobyze over Aksiacitima (Axiaciten) to tell Axiaces, which are, therefore, vital connection between Russian and Thracian; compared Krivičina hill in Macedonia, tort island in Serbia, tort place in Russian Poland, Krievic deslovenizovanoj in Germany.


- Cuccium, Cucci (Pannonia, 250) T. ****. It. Ant. Hear Rav .; Rubble Ilok; or granary time, the house, which appears to be akin to the floor, floor, or a coach, kyčaʹ which is derived from KK, top, compared CAC-Shumen, Sanskrit Kesch mountain ridge, thus knocking hill in Serbia, Kyčera hill in Gömörer -y


- Curcuma (Dalmatia, 161) Ptol., Still untested, to tell Titus, sometimes hail, now Krk to the city; compared Corcoras.


- Curicta (Dalmatian islands, 20) Gas., Cyractica Strabo, Curico (Curico) T. ****., Curicum, Curricos Rav .; today Karek of Krk, compared above; Krk was the favorite bird of the old Slavs, has a symbolic meaning, as later crow and raven.


- Daesitiates (people in Dalmatia) Inscr. Rom .; on the mountain Dešić, Desić, Desitj


- Dalluntum, Diluntum (Dalmatia, 250.) T. Pejt .; Today Dolly, once Dolenc?


- Dalmatae, Delmatae (people 20) Strabo, Inscr .; primal form is dlʺmatʺ Dalmat, compared Croat Srmat, Srbat, Sagudati in John Kameni compared Delemenci and Glomazi, read Dlomazi in Germany (Dietmar in part:


- "Nose theutonice Delemenci vocamus, Celebrate autem Glomazi appelant"


contains clearly misleading and just wants to say that we Germans have changed in Delemenci pronounced Slavs in fact dlʺmenʹcʹ, dlʺmenci, Dlmenc, Dlmenci or also Dlmec, DLMC, Dlmat, Dlmati, G is for him misspelled instead of D.).


- Dalminium, Delminium (a town in Dalmatia, 20) Strabo, Ptol., Apian, Flor., Aur. Viktor., Dalmium Stef., Byzantine, EUSTAT., Δαλέν Const. P., in the Middle Ages Dumnum, Duvnum today Dumna, Duvno instead Dlmno. which points to the basic word Dlma, that made dolma? - Remaining in the form dolama, Deborus. Deberus. Δήβορος, Δόβηρος; (Ilirikum. 424. Before Hr.) Tukidi PLNN .. .. .. Ptol Stef. Byzantine, Hijerok., Δόβρη KEDR, Akrop., Georg., Δεύρη Ana pcs .. Kantak., Today a town of Debar, Shiptar Dibra. - Debre Δέβρη (Thrace 527- 550) Prok., Today Debre - Debrera (Mesia, 527-550) Prok: probably Debrc compared Debra, Debra, Debrc Serbian Beaver, Beaver ancient city Castles in Herzegovina, Serbia, Croatia and etc .; by Debra valley, the forest, which is based on the DAB deb trunk, better dub.


- Dokle Δόκληα (Dalmatia, 79), Ducleatae people Ptol., Docleatae Gas., Dioclea pogrčeni in Aur. Viktor., In the script. Biz. δώκλα, with Const. P., where it Λουτοδώκλα should be broken down into το Λουτο το Δόκλα today Doclea Dukljan, ruins worth mentioning at the mouth of Zeta in Moraca; compared Dukla in Galicia.


- Dolebin Δολεβιν (Ilirikum, 527-550) Prok .; Duljebin-, compared with dulebes Nestor, dulebes place in Russian Poland, Galicnji, Daudleby in the Czech Republic, Dulebice and others.


- Dolonki (people in Thrace 456. ago Hr.) Herod., Doloncae Gas .; compared Taulanti (Taulantia) and Doljenci. - Dorakion (Prevalis, 456-474) Hijerokle today Durres on Lake Plavno; compared Drachiverh in Croatia, Durres and Dyrrachium and others. of Draco, Dracii, brambles (thorns plagues), which comes from Darrow-hydrate


- Draeus Δραίος; (River in Pannonia, 20) Strabo, who had replaced the Drava, because probably 'Οδραίος today Odra tributaries Basin; compared Odra in the Czech Republic.


- Dravus Δράβος, Dravis, Draus (river in Pannonia, 79) Gas., Ptol., P. Vinf., Rav .; today Drava, which announces the name of another Ptolemy:


"Daros, read Draos, qui nunc and barbaris Dara,
read Draa, which means Drava, VOCATURO ";


compared Dravica mountain and river in the Czech Republic, medicines, ancient rivers and parishes in Germany, Nadravia, provinces Staropruskoj, Drava, Dravec, Dravce, place in Hungary, etc .; and in terms of shape Mlava, Blue, Pleva, Piva, Rava, libelous, Skava, Slovenian rivers; of the Drava river that rushes, suitable nature, he knew even Pliny: "Dravus violentior" and that Sea-Scouts often decried.


- Drinus Δρήνος, Δρεινος (two rivers in Illyricum, 20) Strab., Petrol., Ptol., T. ****., Vib. Seq., Skr. Viz .; today Drin and Drina; compare the Drina river in the Czech Republic Drinov town in Slovakia, numerous places Drjen, Dren, Drin; of basic words - DRN, Drina, like a river Autumn, Lepen, Sosna, Lipa, Duben, Habr, Maple and so on.


- DRUBETA Δρουφηγίς; (Dacia, 161.) Ptol., T. ****., Not. Dign., Inskr .; today Drvica; compared Drzevica city and river in Poland, Drvenca rivers, as well as Druentia in Strabo, in Salaser now Dravenca river, a tributary of the Dnieper Drujec, Dervenich Dalmatian island ntd. - Dyrrachium (Ilirikum, 400-183.) Numi, Polib., Across .. Liv., Strabo. Gas., Ptol., T. Pejt .; It. Ant .; Hijerokle, Steph. Viz., Kas. Dion, Apian., Prok., Skr. Viz .; today Durres, Durres Shiptar; compared Dorakion: that the Romans gave the name Dorakion city Epidamnusu the concoction, it occurs on Greek coins and they are older than surrender to the Romans about the Illyrians; Eckhel P. I. V. II.


- German Γέρμαν (Dard., 456-474) Hpjer., Prok .. Const. P .: today Črmen, as well as throughout the Middle Ages to the Bulgarian-Serbian documents and chronicles; compared Črmen famous ancient city in Hadrianopolis, more settlements in Bulgaria, etc., of črʺmenʺ, in other dialects red, red.


- Germen Γέρμενε (Mesia, 527-550) Prok .; More nenstraženo.


- Germas Γέρμας; (Dard. 527-550) Prok .; yet unexplored, approximately Črmen words.


- Glinditiones (people in Dalmatia, 79) Gas .; Gledić on the hill Gladić, compared Pohled mountain in the Czech Republic, according hill and the city (today Ustjug) in Russia.


- Grabaei (people in Dalmatia, a 19 Hr.) Gas., Agravonite (Agravonitae) Liv .; Grabovljani.


- Granules (rivers in Sarmatia, lim. 180) M. Ant. Phil .; sometimes food, Gran, now Hron, a border river, and to this day the source Hranovnica; compared Hraničnice river in the Czech Republic; from Gran borders.


- Gratiana (Ilirikum, 426) Not. Dign., Hyères .; Gradčanica today, compared Hradčany. - Gribo Γρίβο (Mesia, 527-550) Prok .; Today the ruins ridge, commonly called mountain ridge that protrudes.


- Girona (Dalmacnja, 161) Ptol .; today Vrana, an immense number of Slovenian names from the word crow. - Jader, Jadera (rivers in Dalmatia, a 44 Hr.) A. Hirt., Numi., Mel., Petrol., Ptol., It. Ant., Ark., Rav., Skr. Viz .; today italizirana word Zadar; compared Jadar tributaries of the Drina in Serbia, Jadva river in Lika, Jadin River in Thrace, Jaderh place; of Adpo.


- Issa "Íσσα (Dalmatian island, a 390 Hr.) Skil., Skim., Polib., Agate, Agatarh., Apian, Strabo, Liv., Ptol., T. Pejt .; island of Vis, Italian Lissa; compare Wisla, Visa, Vislok, Visloka, gallows, Pendulum, Wislawa river and city in all Slovenian countries.


- Ister (456 pre Hr.) Herod., Skil., Skimn., Virg., Cic., Korn. Today the Danube, Vienna earlier probably Ostr; Compared sharp, edgy tributary of the Right in Russia, the Russian east tributary river Soz and Istropolis, which is not to bring, compared Ostropol in Poland; it is also Vlha creek in the Czech Republic and Vlga, Volga, the world's rivers; at a certain level does not change the presentation.


- Istria, Istria (half of the people, a 390 Hr.) Skil., Skim., Liv., Petrol., Strabo, Steph. Viz., Bother., EUTR., Jord.,; once Ostrov, an island of original t r, s t r, jut: stubby, steep, strom, as spurs from Strega.


- Labaea, Lebaea, Λαβαία, Λεβαία (upper Macedonia, EIG. III. Dard., 456 pre Hr.) Herodotus 712 years ago Sr .; Lab today to tell Lab, on the northern slope Scordisci Shar; position clearly derives by Herodotus:


"Gavanes, Aeropus, Perdoccas eh Argo and Illyricos
profugerunt, et ex Illyriis transgress superiorem
Macedonio pervenerunt ad urbem Lebaeam "[VIII].


In 137 out of here fled back to Greece at the mountain Bermius in lower Macedonia, over a big river, which at the time was an insurmountable growth (this is Axios, now Vardar River, right on the road Lebaea for Bermius: The Torrent compared Byzantines) from which makes it clear that Lebeon and Bermius could be so close. as is commonly thought [Kruse et al.)


- Labeatis (lake in Croatia. 19 pre Hr.J Liv .. Strabo. Gas .. Ptol .: today's Montenegrin Blato.


- Labutza Λάβουτζα (Dard., 527- 550) Prok., Today LABICO on the River Lab, according to the contents and structure of Slovenian really; compare the Elbe river in the Czech Republic, also Labnice source Elbe, Leba, Labiava River in Prussia, Liba River in Kurland, once Libeđ river in the Kiev, Laborcom river in Zemlin, Elbe tributary of the Kuban, LABINECA mountains in the Czech Republic, Lebsko, Lebednoje lake Prussia, Russia, Λαβινετζα Labineca in Dalmatia in Const. P. Labun, Labied, Labnov, Lebedin city in Russia, etc .; all in all of lb and lb-us, white, hence leboudʺ, laboudʺ, swan, swans Celtic alp of which the Alps, white mountains, snowy mountains; start without vocals is a sign slovenizma: whether the belt ispremeštanje words lb as is the case with the word mound and the crowd, ratolest and letorost, manžel and Malz, Greedy and Łacny, Russian LADONJA and dolonj?


- Latović (people in Pannonia, 79) Gas., Ptol., Itin., Ant., Inskr, compared Latoviec, Latović, among other things, a town in Poland.


- Lematis, Lamatis (Lower Pannonia, 250) T. Pejt .; It. Ant .; where is mistakenly Aematis instead Lematis, Rav. Today's workman, compared workman Knežina in Serbia, Liv, Liviec, Lava, Levjn, Levoča, Levice, Levare mountain, river and town in the Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, Russia


- Leusaba (Lower Pannonia, 250) T. ****, It. Ant., Lausaba Rav .; At today's river Lašva, compared Ljes, LACV river in Russia, cures river and lake, Laszov city in Poland.


- Leusinum (Dalmatia, 250) T. ****, It. Ant., The name of the city transferred to the parish Lješanska in Montenegro, of, wood,


- Likates (people in Noricum, 79) Gas., In a pack. Druse; once Likavci, compared Lika river and landscape in Croatia, Likava gorge in Liptau, figure tributaries field river Bobr, Lika, League rivers in Jaroslav, Liko city in Russia, etc .; of character, LSK, whose meaning is known.


- Lissau (Mesia, 250) T. ****. in the Balkan Mountains [hamus-Pass] still undetermined. Lissus (Ilirikum, a 183 Hr.) Polib., Liv., CEZ., Diode. Sic., Mel., Strabo, Gas., Ptol., Etc .; današlje Lješ of Oct, coffin, corpse, a vast multitude of settlements.


- Loranum (Dalmatia, 250) T. ****., Mistakenly transcribed instead Aoranum, in the Middle Ages Aurana today Vrana.


- Luge palus Λούγεος ελος (Pannonia, 20) Strabo; Cirkniško lake; compared Luha, Luga, Luza, Luza river in Russia, Lugomir, in Kinama Λογγομήρα river in Serbia; Slovenian Logue preceded the German word Laug, of which alkali puddle pond, lake.


- Margus (baking and city in Moesia, 20) Bargos, Martos, probably misspelled by Herodotus and Strabo, Gas., T. ****. It. Ant., It. Hier., Eutrope., Not. Dign., Priscus., Skr. Viz .; today Morava river and Kulič ruins, from the Turkish word tower: Slovenian Morava can hardly be enumerated, and the Greek, Roman, German convert d in Slovenian and not vice versa.


- Mariana Μαριανα, Merion (Dard., 456-474) Hijerok., Prok .; today Morava, Turkish Gölhan.


- Matrix. Matricem (Lower Pannonia, 250) T. Pejt .; yet untested, though undoubtedly by name Modrič, Modruš, as well as an even larger number of cities in and outside Bosnia; neighboring town Bistue from T. ****. still live in Bištje.


- Mazaei (people in Dalmatia, 20) Strabo, Gas., Ptol., Amaezeio Inskrip. Rom .; Compared coatings in Poland, Mazin place in Lika.


- Medek Μέδεκα (Dard., 527-550) Prokop .; Medoka today.


- Medoacus (rivers in Veneto. 19 BC) Liv., Strabo, Gas., T. Pejt .; Brenta - mouth; compared Medinka river in Russia, Mednik, Medina, Medinci, Medokusna, Medinj, These cities and towns in Russia, Hungary, compare and Medeon in the third century at Liv. today Medun and Amadoka lake, Amadoci, Modoc people in Sarmatia.


- Melichiza Μελιχισα (Peon., 529-550) Prok., Today Maleševo, Mileševo ​​in upper Macedonia, compared Mileševo ​​in Bosnia, Malšava, Milešov, Melehov, river and mountain in the Czech Republic.


- Metubaris (island in Pannonia, 79) Gas .; Saveinsel, but Reichard today Međustružje, by Katančićeva probably Međubarje between the Sava and Bikic. Miletes Μιλετή (Dard., 527-550) Prok .; yet untested.


- Millareka Μιλλαρεκα (Dard., 527-550) Prok. in MA. Milčinareka, pomenik Raca Monastery; near Nis, as yet unexplored; compared MILATIĆ, Miljetino, MILOTIĆ, inter alia, town in all Slovenian countries, further said Krasna, Smutna in the Czech Republic, Cna in Russia, this last word in Slavonic and Slovak CNY, cna, cnuo = smutny, and probably originally comes out clearly, then metaphorically sad perhaps here originally belong to all rivers Teneas, Tina, Tina, Τξενα?


- Moris (Thrace, 79) Gas .; or primorac or relatives of Slovenian origin Morosina in Germany; compare and word Meresnica river in Croatia.


- Mucaris (Dalmatia 100-200) Inser. Μουίλκουρον Prok., Mucru Rav., Mokriskik Const. P. Mucarum, Muchirum, Mocrum in the Middle Ages; today Italicised word Makarska, previously wet, Mokraska; Wet compared with Teofilo. Ahr. Ohrid. Ep. 65 .; comparing countless names of settlements from the wet.


- Naissus, Nisus, Ναισσός, Νισος; (Mesia, 161) Ptol., T. ****., It. Ant., It. Hyères., Priscus., Zosim., Hyères., Steph. Viz., Am. Marc., Prok., Skr. Viz. et al .; Nis today to tell Nis, Nisava; compared Nisa, Niza river in the Czech Republic, Nis, Niva, Niva, Nis, Nis, Niešava city and town in Russia, Poland, Silesia, Slovakia; by ni-z, no-s or-f or-W, hence the Slovenian ni-va, fields, ni-a Sanskrit meadows, mountain pasture.


- Naro, Narus. Narona, nares (the baker and the city and the people in Dalmatia, 390 BC) Scylax, Strabo, Mela, Gas., Ptol., T. ****., Rav., Skr. Biz, today's Neretva, Norin, Nerečani; compared Nereta, Nerechta, Nura, Ner, Narev Ner, Nara, Nerlj, Neromka river in Russia, Poland, lake Nera in Russia, Narev, Nur, Norin, Norka, Norskaja also a city; of nrou - nrʹeti, as in all dialects branching, Polish nor place for diving, nurt river, navigable rivers. nurze Czech norjm dive etc.

 

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- Natisus. Nalis (rivers in the Venet .. 20) Νατίσωνα Strabo, Mela, Gas., Ptol, Am. Marc 'Ατισονα Plut., Natissa Jord .; Today's word prints up of the Tisa and instead Ticha; compare prints rivers in Russia, advice, Nasia Narussa, Neteka also said; compared Tibiscus.


- Nestus Νέστος, shapelier Mestus Μέστος (river between Macedonia and Thrace, 456 pre Hr.) Herod. Skil, Skumn. Diogo. Laertes., Mela. Gas, Solin, Ptol., In the Middle Ages Mestos: the current name of the place. Msta MSTA; the coins almost without exception written Mestos Μέστος, as well as manuscripts of Pliny, but here are the publishers threw interpretation; Nestos compared with Skulaksa in Dalmatia, also pogrčeni later Tilurus and Msta river in Tveršenu also Mstin lake, Mstov city in Poland


- Nini, Νινλα (Dalmatia, 20) Strabo, Tenin, Const P .; Knin today; compared Knin in Czech, booklet, Prince ;, Knyaginino, Knyazev town in Russia, lake Knic; of KN, Duke, Knin, knjeginja, Law


- OCRA "Οκρα (mountains between Karnia, Istria and Pannonia, 20) Strabo; today Birnbaumerald; compared Oger ogre, Vohra, Ugra, Oharka and Ohre river in Russia, the Czech Republic, Ohrid, earlier Ochrid mountains and cities in Macedonia., Moesia; for slovenizam word speaks circumstance, that when the Slavs in VI. retook Macedonia, called the old town Lychnidus and a part of the mountain Rhodopes named Ohrid, Skr. .; Biz of ogre, ohr, ωχρος yellow-light-colored country , which again is based on the letter and on the gr: Up-to them, therefore, sunburned, colored earth.


- Oeneus Οϊνεος, ocular (river, city people in Illyricum or Lower Pannonia, 161), Ptol., Enea, T. ****, where is misspelled Indenea; today Una river with the settlement Unac; compared aenus, Oenus in Vindeliciji, today's river Inn, calculated, Unza river in Russia, monetize, Una ', Uňatín, Unčani, Uncov place in Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Croatia; of the UN fact of ouníj, now is a good, better, good, hence Uneslav, now Dobroslav, Boleslav; compared Una and Dobra, Boljani river and village.


- Olcinium, Olchinium, Ούλκίνιον (Dalmatia, a 19 Hr.) Liv., Petrol., Ptol., T. ****. 'Ελκίνιον Const. P .; today Ultjin; compared Ultini tribe in Russia.


- Orrea, Horrea, "Ορρεα Horrea Margi (Mesia, 161.) Ptol. T. ****., It. An., It. Hier., Not. Dign., Hierok., Rav., Margo Plano Marcel. Ilir., Jord.,; in the Middle Ages Rava, Raven, today Turkish Sad; compare Rava, Ravka, Ravic, Ravenica river and city in Russia, Poland; compare Ravenna.


- Oseriates (Ozeri) (people in Dalmatia, 79) Gas., Lake -stanovnik.


- Pardue (Dalmatia, 250.) T. Pejg .: on the hill of Veliko Brdo: compare Hills, Berda, Berdo, Brd, Berdcz, hilly, mountain, river and city in Russia, the Czech Republic, Croatia.


- Pathissum, Partiscum (Sarmatia lim. 161) Ptol., Am. Marc .: Becse code; Patisje. Potisje, compared Tibiscus.


- Pelagonia (county and town in Upper Macedonia. 907. p. Hr.) Homer, Conc., Apost., Hierok .. Skr. Biz .: in the Middle Ages and the current deposit, compared Reason nearby.


- Pels (Lake in Pannonia. 79) Gas., Where they slipped kopisti or philologists Penso as they will in the Middle Ages letter d and letter i just wrote Pels Aur. Vic., Pelsoddis lacus, Jord., Pelsois Rav., Pelisse Anon. de Conv.Car .; Lake Neusiedlersee and Plattensee; originally were both called Pleso, later dimly Pleso first and second Balaton Pleso, and finally from the ninth century Muten and muddy, Bulgarian and Serbian manuscripts, Hungarian Hron .; Pleso means in the Slovenian lake, according to the Greek πηλος, bog, mud, swamps the Latin palus, Dutch poel, Icelandic hurry etc., and has been used in the Slav or in that form or as separate words, compared Pleso in Slovakia, Carpathian lakes, proverb "urobil Pleso" still in Silesia, Russia continues to dabble, splash, applause, Plesmo etc .; hence the names of lakes, marshes, rivers and built their cities in all Slavs, for example in Russia Pleševo ​​lake. Naive etymology Russian geographer:


"Pl. zovetsä tamošnimi teachers by contrast, what
what in Vremja Vetrov Strong imjejet Plesk "


Dance or slap, spank, plush river, dance, dance (in the old manuscripts Pleso) city on the River Splash, Pleskov according Hron. and Karamzin older than the present forms of Pskov town on the lake, Pljuščani place :, in the Czech Dance, now Josephsstadt, Plesy, etc .; in Illyricum Dance town in Sochi; Pleso, Plesmo place in Croatia, etc .; way of writing Pleso is Hispanic-teutonizam, compared chaff and Pale, straw and culmus Halm, krat'k and curtus short beard and uncle, bart, chlum and culmen Kulm, Gold and Silver, hill and mountain etc.


- Pelva (Lower Pannonia, 250.) It. Ant .; today Pleva, Dalmatian Pliva, also said; Pleva river in Russia, Pleven, Pleven river and city in Bulgaria, Plevnik among others in Hungary; Out of the blue, chaff, plyw, derived from the basic votes rl = fl, PLO = fluorescent Fliess (run)


- Pessium (Sarmatia lim., 161.) Ptol .: today Pest., The Slovenian PEST one set of names in Slovenian countries


- Plavis (rivers in Venet.). P. Winfried, Rav. It referred to the old .; Now Piave; compare Blue River in Mecklenburg and Russia Blue -Lake in Russia, blue, Plavce, flood, flood, Plavnica rivers and place in Poland, Slovakia.


- Half (Venet., 275 pre Hr.) Likofr., Kalim, Strabo, Mela, Gas., Ptol., T. ****., Etc .; Half of today; Strabo says that the natives meant word πόλας; what the Greeks αστυρον, but the word pole campus is, a field, which should be compared with πόλις Slovenian place names from the word pole can not be easily counted.


- Rabestum 'Ράβεστον (Dard .. 527-550) Prok .: yet untested, compared Arba.


- Ravenna (Ital.cispad., A 44 Hr.) Kaes., Kik., Strabo, Mela, Gas. Tac., T. ****., Ptol., Jord., Among others .; Today Ravenna; contrary to the story of the origin of the Slavs in Strabo and Gas., Jordanes says true and beautiful:


,, R., Cujus dudum, ut tradunt majores. possessures Veneti; "


Rav: level trench. Roven, predstavljajy only dialectal varieties of many place names.


- Rhizinijum. Rhizus. Rhisinum. Resinum (Dalmatia. 390 pre Hr.) SKPL Liv .. .. .. Gas Polib. Stef. V .. Ptol. T. Pejt .: today Risan compared Rzeszno, Resnik. Rzeszow in Poland, Croatia, Hungary, and compare Zarzosa.


- Salassi (the people of Normandy, a 183 Hr.) Polib., Liv., Strabo, Gas., Inskr .; Silauzi, rivers, etc. Silica.


You're kidding Σαλίς, Σαλλίς (Lower Pannonia, 161.) Ptol., Salda T. ****., Saldum Rav., Σαλενές Const. ., In the Middle Ages cup, Sola, Solin; Now Tuzla meaning Salza from the Turkish ace so; a town in Bosnia; Sola compared with Cemplinera (Zemplinera)


- Salona (Dalmatia, 183 p. Hr.) Polib, Mela, Gas., Ptol. Salon., Strabo, Kas. Dion, Salonae Skr, Biz .; today Solin ruins; compare Salt, Sola, Solin, Solin Thessaloniki, all under Slavs.


- Samaika (province in Thrace, 161) Ptol., Today Samokov - field, which means an iron hammer, gebiet.


- Savus, Savios, Saos (river in Pannonia, 14) Justin, Strabo, Gas., Ptol. Apian, Kas. Dion, Cloud., Jord. et al .; today Sava or Sazava, from the rivers in the Czech Republic, Sava, advice instead Nasava, our river in Russia; Sava is a river that flows peacefully opposite the Drava, as rightly noted by Pliny: "Dravus e Noricis violentior - Savus a Carnicis plasidior," of the show, Souto and sʺsou,


- Scaplizo Σκαπλιζώ (county Črmen, 527-550) Prok .; Skoplica probably still unresolved, compared Scopia.


-Scardona, Scardon (Dalmatia, 20 p. Hr.) Strabo, Gas., Ptol., T. Peut., Prok.,; Today Skradin; compared Skrad three places in Croatia; of items stolen from prepozicijskom prostezom with.


- Scopentziana Σκωπεντζιανά (county Serdika, 527- 550). Prok., Still unexplored.


- Scopia, expensive. Skopis (Dard., 161.) Ptol., T. ****. Herok, Code. Just., Rav., Skr. Biz .; Today Skopje, Skopje, compared Skopljegrad in Bosnia, Ryazan city in Russia; we have the names of the cities from the word ass, horse, ox, pig, Baran, whether they should really be missing pet Slovenian peasant avarice, skopec? - Serine (Dardan.) [Inscr. rom. A brief overwiew Ep. II. 161 g.] SKŘÍŇ Slavonic. Prolog in the life of St. John of Rila; yet unexplored, within close proximity of Sredets day Sofia; compared Skryznno, Skryszev, ŠKRILJA, Křinec, Cover, Krinky, Krynica town and city in Poland, Russia, Croatia; letter with here as in avarice prosteza and root κryû because the name of the most picturesque natural and faithful, such as in Krnica in Poland, a place that is hidden in dubodolini.


- Scupion Σκούπιον (county Sardiko, 527-550.) Prok .; yet untested.


- Senia (Libourne. 79) Gas. Tac., Ptol., T. ****., It. Ant; today's Senj; compared Sena or Senna, Son or Sinna, Senice, Senohrad city and town in Hungary; of hay,


-Serbinum Σέρβινον (Lower Pannonia, 161) Ptol., By Reichardt Sjeverin, for others to tell Sarviz. probably still one with Servitium or Serbetium, hence Srbac.


- Serdika. Sardiko (Mesia. 161.) Numi. Inskr. Fast triumph., .. T. Ptol ****, It. Ant .. Hieroklo .. Prok., Rav. H of the century. Triaditza Τριάδιτζα script. Biz: today Sredets. Turkish Sofia: compare Stredec place in Poland, Streda city in Hungary. Sredgora, Sredorek mountain and river in Thrace and Moesia, Srednaja, Sered, Mid River in Russia, Galicia and in Moldova.


- Seretus Σέρετος (Dard., 527-550.) Prok .; yet unexplored, on the river Sredorek.


- Servilium, Serbetium (Lower Pannonia, 250.) T. ****. It. Ant., Serbetium Rav .; probably the same as Serbinum Ptolemy; today Srbac in Bosnia on the Sava.


- Sevaces (People in Normandy, 161) Ptol .; Sjevači, Sjevci?


- Silis (rivers in Venet., 79) Gas., Sile Rav .; today Silla, Silica: compare Silin = Tanais, Silauci people, Silas Lake in the Holstein-y and others.


- Silvia (Lower Pannonia, 360.) It. Ant .; today catchment; compare the ancient city of Sliven in Bulgaria, with the Byzantines Stilvnos; Catchment and Silvia correspond to each other as well as Pleso and PELs, Pleva and Pelva, and it is worth noting that in the interior of Bosnia there Pleva, Lašva, carpenter, Plum, Belaj, Unac to this day as Pelua, Lausaba, Lematis, force, Baloie, Oeneus on maps of the Romans.


- Siskiyou (Lower Pannonia, 20) Strabo, Gas., It. Ant., T. ****., Ptol. etc .: today Sisek Romanized mixture of sʺsiʹkʺ; compared Susak, Average, Osek, second cut, notch, Osecna and others. - Sogor (Pannonia, 161.) Ptol .; Zagora.


- Sontius (rivers in Veneto. 79) Gas., T. ****., Cassidy., Jord .; Soca today; compared Sočava river in Moldova, Soza River in Russia, Socovce, juicy place in Hungary and others.


- Sorba (Carney) Rav. It referred to the old .; Serbenstadt, the city of Serbs, still unexamined, by Reichard city Servolo.


- Sorviodurum (Vindelicia, 250.) T. Peut .; Today Straubing, meaning Serb town of the Serbs, just as in today's name echoes elements of the old.


- Stiriatis, Stiriatae (Norik., 250.) T. Peut. Inskr .; in Windischgarsten's on the River Steier; Štajer word is associated with Taur, ca, which agrees even Katančić:


"Recte Lazius praeter alios COMPLURES existimat,
Tauriscos veteres Germanis stiros esse nuncupatos "
although immediately adds:
"Sed quum eos Celticae originis, ut postea Cluverius, Lambecius, aliique hos sequuti fecere, universos Fuisse putat, veteris Illyriorum, has oras colentium a primis inde coloniarum per Orbem deductarum Temporibus, Reipublicae non meminit; advenas, quales hic Celtae fuerint ab indigenis secernere oportet; Stiriatae hi erant posters Vindelicorum Carnorumque, Celticis coloniis Mixto ". [Orb. Ant. I. 279.]


but the word Štajer I'll add the Slovenian stir, stir and Weichsel cherry from Wisla, Leipa of Lipa, from Neisse Nisa, Feistriz of Bistrica, etc .; it is not possible to'm German could to turn his words into Stier Steier, compared Stira river in Serbia, Styr river in Poland.


- Stravianae (Pannonia, 360.) It. Ant .; Today the ruins Gradac; compared Terror river in Poland, Stravičova place in Mađapskoj.


- Streda Στρέδην (Ilirikum, 527-550).) Prok .: according to the content and form of the Slovenian Streda, Stredin, with dialectal epentezom letters t; COMPARATIVE Serdika.


- Stronges Στρόγγες (District Remesijane, 527-550) Prok. Electricity, Struga still untested.


- Struas Στρούας (county Serdica. 527-550.) Prok .; Electricity today. Struga say sparks on the road from Sofia to Etropole: compare Struga town on Lake Ohrid, whose name objasnno already Teofilakt Archbishop Epirote 41 yr., Through words στρουγαι = διωρυχαι Strug, Struga river and city in Croatia, scrape, Stružani etc. .


- Strymon Στρύμων (river and city in Macedonia, a 456 Hr.) Herod., Tuk., Skid., Skimn., Liv., Strabo, Mela, Gas., Ptol. et al. Strumen earlier today Struma; compare the Struma river in Germany, Strumien river and the city of Minsk, Strumica, Strumešnica river and city in Macedonia, etc .; compared Strumien Polish source, which is closer to the words of Strimon words Strom, since v = u; -Stlpini, Stlupi (people and city in Dalmatia, 79) Gas., Ptol .; obvious from the SLP, STLP, Slovak STLP.


- Tarsaticum (Libourne., 79) Gas., Ptol, T. ****., It. Ant., Rav.,; today reads Terszasz, Lipsky Tersich, meaning Tržiču TRŠIĆ


- Tarsium (Lower Pannonia, 161.) Ptol., Today Tersacz fortress on Korana, compared Tršilj in Serbia; from the TRS or square?


-Taulantii (People in Illyricum, a 424 Hr.) Here, Polib., Petrol., Arian., Ptol .; Doljenci, populated lowlands of the River Drin; compared Doloncae, whether Dolenci in Krajina, Tollensii in Germany; or people from Taulantije in Jordanes, or to look for the line of movement of the Ostrogoths in Italy, in Illyria or Krajina, remains yet to be decided.


- Tergeste, Torgium (Venet., 100 BC) Artemidor, Steph. V., Strabo, Mela, Gas., Ptol., T. ****., It. Ant, Apian, today Italicised name Triest, earlier Teržište trʺžšče of the square, as according to Strabo's oldest trading place Illyrians; compared Terg place in Croatia, Tergovište among others in all Slovenian countries.


- Tibiscus (Sarmacija lim., 456 BC) Herod. Τίβισς, Τίβησις? where the river water by mistake that the Hemus [Balkan Mountains], Gas. Pathissus by the same name, and one end of town, Am. Marc. Parthiscus incorrectly transcribed, Ptol. Τίβισκος, Jord., Tibisia, Tisianus, Tvsia, Rav. Tysia, Const. P. Tietz Τίτζα to its original form. In the Middle Ages tysia today Tisa, instead of antennae, hail, and multiple names of rivers in Bulgaria, Serbia, etc., For example. Tyca Bulgarian manuscript from the year 907, Ticino, Tyčina river in Bosnia, Serbia, etc .; Tibiscus, left unexplained in Murray, is emplazo Slovenian word was concerned, of touco = Tk river runner, voice h disappeared in the dialect of non-Slavic population which lived with the Slavs and joins with; compare and word Titius river at the Old Slavs, still Tesa, Teševka incurred from TC


- Tierna (Sarmalia sheet. Or Southwest Dacia, 157) T. ****. Δίερνα Ptol., Tsierna: Valerius Felix miles coh. IV stationis "Tsiernen." The inscription on the marble in Mehadiji year 157 NE under Cons. Barbatus and Regulus. Katančić see [Er.11. 233. 294. 312. Orbis Ant. I 373 Caryoph .. Th. Hip 26 Murat. CCCXXXII..5.], Zernensium colonia Ulpian .; ruins at the confluence of the Danube which was partly caused rivers diction ends: since the situation of the city undoubtedly sublime. Tsierna word is bait for the catching all slovenskn Geographical etymologists, which would be futile to try historical Pyrrhonism; compared excuse Slovak words čierna CERN or the name of the river and the city Cherna, Black; compare with Ernes.


- Trans-Dierna (Mesia, 400.) Not.Dign .; ruins beneath the tree.


- Timavus (rivers in Veneto. 19 BC) Liv., Virg., Mela, Gas., Statius: today Timavo; compared Tamnava rivers in Serbia Tmavá, TMN, TNA Titius, Titus (rivers in Dalmatia, 79) Gas., Ptol., Flor .; once Ticha now Krka; compared Tibiscus.


-Tomoschius (Rivers in Sarmatia lim., 161.) Ptol., Which is separated from the word τό and are interpreted in a senseless way reverse the word Moschios in Moravia, although Ptolemy cites the estuary versus Trikorniuma as if he personally examined on the spot ; Temeš today, compared Timavus.


- Travus Τραύος (River in Thrace, 456) Herod.,; Compared Grass, Grass in Germany, Treven city in Bulgaria; of grass, Bulgarian grass, grass read.


- Tribal Τρίβαλλοι (people in Thrace and Illyricum, 456.) Herod., Tuk, diode., Sic., Arr., Strabo, Gas., Ptol. et al .; Serbia was, of Serbs.


- Ulpiana (Dard., 161.) Ptol., Justiniana Secunda ante Ulpiana, Prok., Hierok., Jord .; once Lepen today Upper Đustendil (Ober Kjöstendil) declared erroneously for the Lower Đustendil, as Justinian receives; of lepen, Platan many place names in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, adhesives, Lepanka, Lepel rivers and lakes in Russia, compare and Ulpiansos Prok., Lepenec.


- Una (Mesia, 250.) T. ****., Rav., Today good, strange shortening the names of UN = good. - Vtus (the river and the city of Moesia, 79) Gas., T. ****., It. Ant., Marcel. K., Ilir., Prok. et al. today Vit, usually Wid, compared Vit river in Russia et al., basic word vitamin is the main root Slovenian personal names and place names.


- Vederiana Βεδεριανά (Dard., 484, 527-550.) Prokop. et al., in the Middle Ages wind; Compared wind Veterna, Veternica, Veternik, among other cities and towns in Bulgaria, Slovakia and others.


- Velas Βελάς today Veles, Turkish dill on the Vardar; compared Veleševec, Veleškovec, Velešnja place in Croatia, Veljs mountain in the Czech Republic, Volosnica river in Russia; from Veles forest god.


-Veriniana Βερινιανά (Dard., 527-550.) Prokop., Formerly Vranjani now Vranje; compared Heron. - VETZ Βέτζα (Mesia, 527-550.) Prok. still unexplored, is the Slovenian higher or bigger?


- Vlcianum or Vicianum (Mesia, 250.) T. ****., Beclano and Theclana Rav .: or today's Vuqitrna or Zvecan, as when reading oscillates between the letters l and letters, and both historically famous city, as old, which corresponds to the position.


- Vindelici Vindenis and Vindimiola Moesia, Vindobona, Vendo, Vendus, Vennones, Venostes and others. are common names for the ancient Celtic Slovenian residence.


- Vlca (barovit landscape and river in Pannonia, 222.) T. ****. Ούολοκαία Kas. Dion, Hiulka Aur. Viktor., Vlca Ennodius; Today Wolf, Vlka, Wolf's Lair, earlier and now compare Draught Vlka, Vlkov in the Czech Republic and others.


- Waters. Waters - Βόδας (Lower Moesia. 527-550.) Prok .: today Black Water rubble to the saga.


- Vratzista Βράτζιστα (Mesia, 527-550) Prok. Vračište today, part of Vratsa. -Vrbas (River and town in Lower Pannonia 79) T. ****., Vrpanus, Gas.,; Today Vrbas; who would all listed the names of rivers and places of willow


- Zdebrin Ζδεβρίν (Thrace, 527-550.) Prok .; yet untested by Debra.

 

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https://books.google.se/books?id=rc...wCts#v=onepage&q=the making of croats&f=false

http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/samples/cam031/00052915.pdf

 

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Ancient tribes;
The Bessi (/ˈbɛsaɪ/; Ancient Greek: Βῆσσοι or Βέσσοι) were an independent Thracian tribe who lived in a territory ranging from Moesia to Mount Rhodope in southern Thrace.
They are described as the fiercest among the tribes in Thrace.Strabo, provides a record in which the Bessi are described as the fiercest of the independent Thracian tribes, dwelling on and around the Haemus range, and possessing the greater part of the area around that mountain chain. He calls them brigands among brigands and that they were addicted to plunder.Herodotus described them as a sort of priestly-caste among the Satrae.
Etymology of Besoi from Bes-rage,fury, rave, fulminate, tempest.

 

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Doberes (Ancient Greek: Δόβηρες) were an ancient Paeonian tribe.
Etymology could be from Dobar meaning good,similar names are found among many Slavic toponyms for example today Debar in Macedonia,The first recorded document mentioning Debar is the map of Ptolemy, dating around the middle of the 2nd century, in which it is called Deborus.Dobrin,Dobrzyn,Dobre,Dobrosane among many other similar names of Slavic toponyms.

 

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The Agrianians (Ancient Greek: Ἀγρίανες,Agrianes) were a Paeonian-Thracian tribe whose country was centered at Upper Strymon, in present-day westernmost Bulgaria, and also held areas of southeasternmost Serbia,at the time situated south of the Triballi and north of the Maedi. In the times of Philip II, the territory of the Agrianes was administered by Pella.They were crack javelin throwers and an elite unit of Alexander the Great's light infantry, who fought under the command of General Attalus.


They fought light; they carried a bundle of javelins into battle and wore no armor or helmets, perhaps not even shields. Alexander made heavy use of them and every time he dispatched a flying column, the Agrianians were always included. They were expert fighters in mountainous terrain where the phalanx was impracticable and mobile enough to use when speed was essential. Being an elite unit of the light infantry, they often formed up with the hypaspists battalion and the companion cavalry on the right wing of the army.


They are first mentioned regarding the Megabazos' campaign in 511 BC.In 429 BC they were subject to the Odrysian kingdom and later, as early as 352 BC, they became allies of Philip of Macedonia.
At the Battle of Gaugamela, they numbered 1,000 men. They fought under king Langarus with the Macedonians against the Triballians in 335 BC and succeeded in protecting the lands of Alexander and were thus rewarded with the right to govern themselves, a move that led to a long-lasting and most reliable alliance. During the time of the Seleucid Empire, a crack unit of Antiochus' Agrianes was brigaded together with Persians at Raphia. Contingents from the Agrianes and the Penestae, numbering 800 and 2,000 men respectively, were a part of the garrison of Cassandreia at the time of the Third Macedonian War.

Wikipedia give me the ethnonym from Indo-European origin (from *agro- "field" (cf. Lat. ager, Gk. ἀγρός agros, Eng. acre) but since that region is one of the most mountainous,cause my ancestors are from that region,I incourage myself to say that etymology is from Gora-mountain, Goriani-mountaneirs,highlanders.Hellenized name is Agriani since we know that Hellenized names for example of Radogast is Ardagast,fort Ras is Arsa etc.Gorani as people yet exist if they have any connection..

 

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Old tales about emperor Diocletian.

Dukljan or Dukljanin (Serbian pronunciation: [dûkʎanin]) is a figure in Serbian mythology that is a reflection of the Roman emperor Diocletian. He is presented as the adversary of God, possibly because of the real Diocletian's persecution of Christians.


Legends attribute to him building of the town of Duklja,Dukljan's border,(Dioclea) and the Roman milestones near Tuzi (according to a folktale, he was throwing them at his brother and sister as they were fleeing to Hum).


A Serbian folk song about Dukljan says that he once removed the Sun from the sky and brought it to the Earth.Saint John managed to trick him and restore the Sun, but afterwards, while chasing him, Dukljan grabbed at him and tore a piece of flesh from John's foot, which explains why humans have arches of the foot.


Several variants of a story that he is still alive exist; according to them he is chained in the Morača river near Duklja. In some of them, he constantly gnaws at his chains, and each year around Christmas (or around Đurđevdan) nearly manages to break free and destroy the world, when four Gypsy blacksmiths reforge the chains.

Whatever Duklja,Dukla meant to Old Slavs if it was,maybe someone can help? but is find in toponyms among many Slavic countries for which i had posts prior,Docleatae or Dokleatai was ancient Illyrian tribe later the same name was used for the Montenegrins and they were using it for themselves Dukljans.
According to Middle Ages and Renaissance Dalmatians his birth place,Diocletian was Dalmatian thus Illyrian that meant for them a Slav,Slovinac.