Stable population structure in Europe since the Iron Age

kingdavid · May 17, 2022

Excine said:
Seems quite promising, gotta wait for the coords and Y-dna

the raw data bam files should be here soon

https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB52852

p.s
if it would be possible to anlayse the y haplogroup of those samples that would be cool:cool-v:

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

rafc said:
It's a bit odd that the names of the BAMs correspond to the codes of other samples. I wonder if the list above is fully correct ..

I found no results for most samples if I follow the file (If I follow the names, these are female or not in the list). The ones that have result (between brackets the name of the BAM, which is probably the real sample):

R3481 (11117): J-Z35779
R3906 (6730): I-41633
R3931 (10626): R-BY20283
R6701 (11713): J-Y15913
R6730 (10636): I-A11380
R6750 (3931): E-V13
R6756 (11746): R-Y7777

As you see the V13 corresponds to one of the Balkan samples in fact. So I will now download the files again, but based on the name of the BAM.
Edit: It seems I cannot find back all BAM-file names, and NCBI is no help, it has the same wrong links between sample and BAM.

Interesting no?

R3481 (11117): J-Z35779
266 CE Doclea sample is J2a.

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

Aparently not. There was a mixup in the bam file names.

rafc said:
Now with the correct files, per Yleaf:

R3481: J-Z1043 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1043/
R3906: I-A11380 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A11380/
R3918: J-CTS6190 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190/
R3931: E-V13 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/
R6688: R-V164 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-V164/
R6693: J-Z600 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z600/
R6701: R-BY157588 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY157588/
R6730: I-Y41633 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y41633/
R6750: file not found
R6756: file not found
R6759: file not found
R6764: file not found
R9669: J-Z1295 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1295/
R9673: R-BY130797 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY130797/
R9918: J-CTS6190 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190/

lol
Doclea sample.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1043/
Just a honest mixup I hope.

Inb4 degenerate sock puppets screech "REeEeeE Muh Illyrian continuity just Communist propaganda."

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

R9918 1074 Doclea 1000 CE https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190/

Seems L283 has quite the continuity in Montenegro. Avars and Goths ruining Doclea or not.

Archetype0ne said:
R3481: J-Z1043 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1043/
R9918: J-CTS6190 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190/

200 CE Doclea vs 1000 CE Doclea. Only 2 Montenegro Y samples seem L283.
So it seems despite the Avars and Goths ruining Doclea L283 has continuity in Montengro from Illyrian times to Middle Ages to today somewhat.
Now it will be extremely hard for people to argue against Illyrian continuity in SE Balkans.

kingdavid · May 18, 2022

Archetype0ne said:
R9918 1074 Doclea 1000 CE https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190/

Seems L283 has quite the continuity in Montenegro. Avars and Goths ruining Doclea or not.

can you ask the bam files anlaysis experts in anthrogenica
to have a look on this dude

R10667- 171 AD wels austria
(he is an outlier autosomally he cluster with canry islanders he could be e-m81 or the first e-m81 from roman period europe)

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

kingjohn said:
can you ask the bam files anlaysis experts in anthrogenica
to have a look on this dude

R10667- 171 AD wels austria
(he is an outlier autosomally he cluster with canry islanders he could be e-m81 or the first e-m81 from roman period europe)

Of course broski. On it.

Adamm said:
R10667 (North African Austrian sample): yDNA: I2a mtDNA: L6b

kingdavid · May 18, 2022

Archetype0ne said:
Of course broski. On it.

thanks man

interesting for sure very european y haplogroup
and an african mtdna or north african mtdna
he could have been a roman soldier wels was in roman frontier :cool-v:

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

kingjohn said:
thanks man
interesting for sure very european y haplogroup
and an african mtdna or north african mtdna
he could have been a roman soldier wels was in roman frontier :cool-v:

Yep quite surprising haplogroup indeed.

Also, really hope they find the Naissus bam file, cause if it is E-V13 it might vindicate some people on the forum, if not it will add to the mystery of E-V13.

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

rafc said:
R3745 (Zadar_Hypo_banka, Croatia, 1878.25bp): https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y30977/, there we have for the first time an ancient V13 from Croatia! He belongs to the old PH1246 group which is prominent in the Western-Balkans.

Edit, I checked it deeper, and it belongs to FTDNA clade E-BY66293, this also has a Syrian, a Brit and a German.

Exiting. Now I hope the members more read on cultures give context on the sample.

kingdavid · May 18, 2022

Samples from Algeria

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[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10760[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74,46%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36,1898[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5,4108[/TD]
[TD]Necropole_Orientale[/TD]
[TD]Algeria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10766[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]134[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87,77%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36,1898[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5,4108[/TD]
[TD]Necropole_Orientale[/TD]
[TD]Algeria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10770[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]146[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]50,17%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36,1898[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5,4108[/TD]
[TD]Necropole_Orientale[/TD]
[TD]Algeria[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Armenia

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[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11675[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1407[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66,28%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11545[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1328[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63,14%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11668[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1132[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,73%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11536[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-985[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59,87%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11535[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-786[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62,54%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11540[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-391[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,34%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11546[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-77[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64,10%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11541[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59,75%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11651[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60,36%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11653[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87,27%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11655[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]77,67%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11678[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66,13%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11713[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]84,58%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11714[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]70,75%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11544[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]479[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58,66%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11543[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]480[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74,31%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11538[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]488[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,38%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11542[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]488[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,39%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,6885[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,8493[/TD]
[TD]Beniamin[/TD]
[TD]Armenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Austria

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10657[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]76[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64,70%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,3099[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,3238[/TD]
[TD]Klosterneuburg[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10659[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]76[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]73,48%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,3099[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,3238[/TD]
[TD]Klosterneuburg[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10667[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]171[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85,35%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,1654[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,0366[/TD]
[TD]Wels[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10668[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]188[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]86,66%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,1654[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,0366[/TD]
[TD]Wels[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10656[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]217[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52,02%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,3099[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,3238[/TD]
[TD]Klosterneuburg[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10658[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]217[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,55%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,3099[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,3238[/TD]
[TD]Klosterneuburg[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10660[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]217[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87,66%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,3099[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,3238[/TD]
[TD]Klosterneuburg[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10670[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]271[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]89,46%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,1654[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,0366[/TD]
[TD]Wels[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10654[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]333[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87,27%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,3099[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,3238[/TD]
[TD]Klosterneuburg[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10666[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]716[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]87,10%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,1654[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,0366[/TD]
[TD]Wels[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10665[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]717[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]86,68%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,1654[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,0366[/TD]
[TD]Wels[/TD]
[TD]Austria[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from France

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11563[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]187[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63,59%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11552[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]272[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59,63%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11553[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]272[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64,02%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11554[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]272[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63,24%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11555[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]272[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,51%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11559[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]272[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]73,75%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11561[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]272[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64,87%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11556[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]280[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]35,14%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1874[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]329[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]61,05%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,611502[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22,97416[/TD]
[TD]Vendeuil_Caply_LesMarmousets[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11550[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]331[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]74,46%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11558[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]331[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59,44%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11560[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]334[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,25%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11557[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]337[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71,66%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,7327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7,0526[/TD]
[TD]Sarrebourg[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2057[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]470[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,37%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,100115[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6,179059[/TD]
[TD]Metz_Sablon[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2058[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]470[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,61%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,100115[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6,179059[/TD]
[TD]Metz_Sablon[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2055[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]492[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,41%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,119677[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6,174949[/TD]
[TD]Metz_Lunette[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2065[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1346[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60,84%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,115262[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6,169192[/TD]
[TD]Metz_SaintPierre[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2066[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1346[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,16%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,115262[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6,169192[/TD]
[TD]Metz_SaintPierre[/TD]
[TD]France[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Germany

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11866[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23,89%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,9956[/TD]
[TD]Hassleben[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11867[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34,81%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,9956[/TD]
[TD]Hassleben[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11868[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58,35%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,9956[/TD]
[TD]Hassleben[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11872[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47,74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,9956[/TD]
[TD]Hassleben[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11873[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,48%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,9956[/TD]
[TD]Hassleben[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11875[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,83%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,9956[/TD]
[TD]Hassleben[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11877[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,51%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10,9956[/TD]
[TD]Hassleben[/TD]
[TD]Germany[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Italy

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1555[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]146[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,40%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,7237164[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,6346536[/TD]
[TD]Urbino_Bivio[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1556[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]151[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52,34%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,7237164[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,6346536[/TD]
[TD]Urbino_Bivio[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1557[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]151[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]50,06%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,7237164[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,6346536[/TD]
[TD]Urbino_Bivio[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1554[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]173[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52,96%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,7237164[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,6346536[/TD]
[TD]Urbino_Bivio[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11109[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52,86%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11111[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]68,46%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11112[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65,23%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11113[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67,63%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11115[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66,34%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11116[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62,16%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11117[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58,51%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11118[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]80,11%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11119[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60,80%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11120[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66,28%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11121[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60,83%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,7621[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,2491[/TD]
[TD]Isola_Sacra[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1291[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]950[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53,55%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,8965[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,4719[/TD]
[TD]Palazzo_della_Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1292[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]950[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,79%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,8965[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,4719[/TD]
[TD]Palazzo_della_Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1294[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]950[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,33%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,8965[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,4719[/TD]
[TD]Palazzo_della_Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1223[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1485[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,30%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,8965[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,4719[/TD]
[TD]Palazzo_della_Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R1225[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1485[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53,97%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,8965[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12,4719[/TD]
[TD]Palazzo_della_Cancelleria[/TD]
[TD]Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Lebanon

[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]DATE[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, width: 77"]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, width: 80"]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, width: 201"]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, width: 75"]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R12229[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]488[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]78,40%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,8522[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,8292[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]EjJaouze[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R12233[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]490[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]33,44%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,8522[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,8292[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]EjJaouze[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R3477[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]500[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]49,27%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,622519[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,499985[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Chhim[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R3476[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]505[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]62,17%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,622519[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,499985[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Chhim[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R12246[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]599[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]33,96%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,8522[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,8292[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]EjJaouze[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R9818[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]610[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]55,33%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,622519[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,499985[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Chhim[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R12245[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]620[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]34,39%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,8522[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,8292[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]EjJaouze[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R9823[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]624[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]67,59%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,622519[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,499985[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Chhim[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]R3473[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl67, align: right"]705[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl68, align: right"]54,46%[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]33,622519[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66, align: right"]35,499985[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Chhim[/TD]
[TD="class: cms_table_xl66"]Lebanon[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Lithuania

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10840[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]339[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52,47%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,687157[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]25,279652[/TD]
[TD]Bailuliai[/TD]
[TD]Lithuania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10830[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]468[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55,19%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,8985[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23,9036[/TD]
[TD]Marvele[/TD]
[TD]Lithuania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10832[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]468[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47,05%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,8985[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23,9036[/TD]
[TD]Marvele[/TD]
[TD]Lithuania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10836[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]468[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,21%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,8985[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23,9036[/TD]
[TD]Marvele[/TD]
[TD]Lithuania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10838[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]468[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,32%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,8985[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23,9036[/TD]
[TD]Marvele[/TD]
[TD]Lithuania[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Montenegro

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3481[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]266[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,57%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,466869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,266164[/TD]
[TD]Doclea_Bjelovine[/TD]
[TD]Montenegro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3478[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]795[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62,04%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,466869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,266164[/TD]
[TD]Doclea_Bjelovine[/TD]
[TD]Montenegro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R9919[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]963[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65,82%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,466869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,266164[/TD]
[TD]Doclea_Bjelovine[/TD]
[TD]Montenegro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R9918[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1074[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,83%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,466869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,266164[/TD]
[TD]Doclea_Bjelovine[/TD]
[TD]Montenegro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3482[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1089[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]68,12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,466869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,266164[/TD]
[TD]Doclea_Bjelovine[/TD]
[TD]Montenegro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R9920[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1102[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53,04%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,466869[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,266164[/TD]
[TD]Doclea_Bjelovine[/TD]
[TD]Montenegro[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Poland

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10620[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,14%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10625[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59,08%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10626[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53,76%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10631[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47,22%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10633[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64,28%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10634[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62,64%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10636[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59,83%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11391[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39,80%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10618[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]150[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,86%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,1176[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]19,5742[/TD]
[TD]Weklice[/TD]
[TD]Poland[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Portugal

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10499[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]331[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]81,68%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10508[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]337[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66,89%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10487[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]337[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]66,13%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,099444[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-8,490556[/TD]
[TD]Conimbriga[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10488[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]337[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,83%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,099444[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-8,490556[/TD]
[TD]Conimbriga[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10500[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]426[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53,65%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10501[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]426[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64,40%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10502[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]426[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]71,97%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10506[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]426[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]77,69%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10507[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]426[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]50,92%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10503[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]518[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]88,61%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,7261[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-9,3653[/TD]
[TD]Miroico[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10494[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]781[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]86,54%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,8803[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-7,1637[/TD]
[TD]MontedaNora[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10496[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]829[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]85,03%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,8803[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-7,1637[/TD]
[TD]MontedaNora[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10491[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]832[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]82,74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,8803[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-7,1637[/TD]
[TD]MontedaNora[/TD]
[TD]Portugal[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Sardinia

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11828[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-1050[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60,75%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,5938[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,2045[/TD]
[TD]Sant_Imbenia; Sardinia[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11829[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-957[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62,15%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,5938[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,2045[/TD]
[TD]Sant_Imbenia; Sardinia[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11835[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-788[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65,46%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,5938[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,2045[/TD]
[TD]Sant_Imbenia; Sardinia[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11836[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]124[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]62,44%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,5938[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,2045[/TD]
[TD]Sant_Imbenia; Sardinia[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11834[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]182[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67,23%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,5938[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,2045[/TD]
[TD]Sant_Imbenia; Sardinia[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11832[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]294[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63,05%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,5938[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,2045[/TD]
[TD]Sant_Imbenia; Sardinia[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R11833[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]313[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]64,11%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,5938[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8,2045[/TD]
[TD]Sant_Imbenia; Sardinia[/TD]
[TD]Sardinia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Slovakia

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2200[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]68,45%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,2056[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,5662[/TD]
[TD]Bytca_Hrabove[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2201[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51,52%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,2056[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,5662[/TD]
[TD]Bytca_Hrabove[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2202[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]25[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52,26%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,065963[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,205994[/TD]
[TD]Mikusovce[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2204[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]150[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65,74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,3175[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,9829[/TD]
[TD]Zohor[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2208[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]300[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55,39%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,337073[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,356218[/TD]
[TD]Tes_Mlynany[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2209[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]400[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]70,03%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,337073[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,356218[/TD]
[TD]Tes_Mlynany[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2210[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]400[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,25%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,337073[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,356218[/TD]
[TD]Tes_Mlynany[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2211[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]400[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]69,12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,337073[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,356218[/TD]
[TD]Tes_Mlynany[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2206[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58,34%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,337073[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,356218[/TD]
[TD]Tes_Mlynany[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2207[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]450[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]50,90%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,337073[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,356218[/TD]
[TD]Tes_Mlynany[/TD]
[TD]Slovakia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Slovenia

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10477[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]286[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,42%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,0569[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5058[/TD]
[TD]Emona[/TD]
[TD]Slovenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10471[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]291[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,49%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,0569[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5058[/TD]
[TD]Emona[/TD]
[TD]Slovenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10469[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]296[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,59%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,0569[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5058[/TD]
[TD]Emona[/TD]
[TD]Slovenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10473[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]313[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,19%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,0569[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5058[/TD]
[TD]Emona[/TD]
[TD]Slovenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10467[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]67,58%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,0569[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5058[/TD]
[TD]Emona[/TD]
[TD]Slovenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10478[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]329[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]53,76%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,0569[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5058[/TD]
[TD]Emona[/TD]
[TD]Slovenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R10474[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]331[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47,92%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,0569[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5058[/TD]
[TD]Emona[/TD]
[TD]Slovenia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Syria

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3359[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]754[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]55,78%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34,973503[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,555681[/TD]
[TD]Tell_Masaikh[/TD]
[TD]Syria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3361[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1220[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65,62%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34,973503[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40,555681[/TD]
[TD]Tell_Masaikh[/TD]
[TD]Syria[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Samples from Croatia

[TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 616"]
[TR]
[TD]SAMPLE[/TD]
[TD]DATE[/TD]
[TD]COVERAGE[/TD]
[TD]LATITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LONGITUDE[/TD]
[TD]LOCALITY[/TD]
[TD]COUNTRY[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3745[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]72[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]58,46%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,114352[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15,227943[/TD]
[TD]Zadar_Hypo_banka[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3743[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]146[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]54,12%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,101034[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15,279107[/TD]
[TD]Zadar_Ulica[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3744[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]146[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47,78%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,101034[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15,279107[/TD]
[TD]Zadar_Ulica[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3670[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]168[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]35,99%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,51859[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,13651[/TD]
[TD]Trogir_Policija[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3665[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]171[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38,20%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,524984[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,252825[/TD]
[TD]Trogir_Dragulin[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3746[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]177[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]63,56%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,1141[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15,233055[/TD]
[TD]Zadar_Poliklinika[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3747[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]177[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65,64%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,1141[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15,233055[/TD]
[TD]Zadar_Poliklinika[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3742[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]177[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,101034[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]15,279107[/TD]
[TD]Zadar_Relja[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3655[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]220[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,18%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,550532[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,678046[/TD]
[TD]Osijek[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3656[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]280[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,81%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,550532[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,678046[/TD]
[TD]Osijek[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3657[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]280[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,67%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,550532[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,678046[/TD]
[TD]Osijek[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2041[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]303[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]50,40%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,464666[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,377654[/TD]
[TD]Sisak_Pogorelec[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3659[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]313[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44,68%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,767834[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,123606[/TD]
[TD]Scitarjevo[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2040[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]324[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46,78%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,464666[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,377654[/TD]
[TD]Sisak_Pogorelec[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2042[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]327[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,74%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,464666[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,377654[/TD]
[TD]Sisak_Pogorelec[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3542[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]330[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,06%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,7729[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18,6108[/TD]
[TD]Beli_Manastir[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2050[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]468[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]59,29%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,2039[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5437[/TD]
[TD]Omišalj-Mirine[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2051[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]468[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,92%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,2039[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5437[/TD]
[TD]Omišalj-Mirine[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2053[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]468[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]65,65%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,2039[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14,5437[/TD]
[TD]Omišalj-Mirine[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3545[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]487[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,41%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,6076[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,7143[/TD]
[TD]Gardun[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3660[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]497[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49,88%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,767834[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,123606[/TD]
[TD]Scitarjevo[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3685[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]500[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,14%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,616374[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,801661[/TD]
[TD]Velic[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3543[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]516[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]60,75%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,6076[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,7143[/TD]
[TD]Gardun[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3547[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]571[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]57,30%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,41[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13,66194[/TD]
[TD]Novo_selo_Bunje[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3544[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]575[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]61,45%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43,6076[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]16,7143[/TD]
[TD]Gardun[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R2045[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]577[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42,75%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,454732[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13,518361[/TD]
[TD]Umag_Sipar[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3662[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]599[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]48,79%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,467293[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13,506565[/TD]
[TD]Sipar[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3664[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]751[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]56,39%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,467293[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13,506565[/TD]
[TD]Sipar[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]R3663[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]781[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]41,88%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45,467293[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]13,506565[/TD]
[TD]Sipar[/TD]
[TD]Croatia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Hawk · May 18, 2022

That looks like Liburnian territory. During Late Bronze Age/Early Iron Age Liburni got affected by the Urnfield migration attested in their bi-ritualism.

Sineva KukočUniversity of Zadar, Department of Archaeology, Zadar

Abstract

In the northern Dalmatia region where there were only two cultural systems throughout the Bronze and Iron Ages, four moments are crucial in the use of cremation ritual during the 2nd/1st centuries BC: in the Early Bronze Age (Cetina culture: Ervenik, Podvršje − Matakov brig, Nadin, Krneza − Duševića glavica), in the Early Iron Age (Nadin, mound 13, Krneza − Jokina glavica), in Hellenism (Dragišić, gr. 4 A-C), and finally, for the first time very intensively during the Romanization of Liburnians. Newly discovered cremations in ceramic urns (gr. 3, 13) in burial mound 13 (9th – 6th cent. BC) from Nadin near Benkovac are the first example (after Dragišić) of Liburnian cremation; more precisely, burial mound 13 with 19 graves represents a form of biritualism in the Liburnians. It is also an example of the greatest number of Liburnian burials under a mound, with crouched, extended and cremated skeletons and many ritual remains (traces of fire on the ground and on animal bones: funerary feast?; numerous remains of ceramic vessels (libation?). Although typical Liburnian burial "inherits" many formal and symbolic elements (stone cist, enclosing wall, libation, etc.) from the (Early) Bronze Age (and probably Eneolithic as well), cremation in the Liburnian burial mound 13 from Nadin cannot be explained in terms of continuity from the Early Bronze Age; links are missing, particularly those from the Middle Bronze Age in the study of the cultural dynamics of the 2nd millennium BC in the northern Dalmatia region. Squat form of the Nadin urns with a distinct neck has analogies in the Liburnian (Nin) and Daunian funerary pots for burying newborns (ad encytrismos), and also in the typology of pottery (undecorated or decorated) in a wider region (Ruše, V.Gorica, Dalj/Vukovar, Terni II, Este, Bologna I-II, Roma II, Cumae I, Pontecagnano IA, Histrians, etc.), i.e. in the forms widespread from the Danubian region, Alps, and Balkans to the Apennine Peninsula between the Late Bronze and Early Iron Ages (10th/9th – 8th cent. BC). Although appearance of cremation in the Picenian culture has not been completely clear (Fermo necropolis, burials from Ancona, Numana, Novilara: graves Servici, 29, 39 from Piceno II-III, from the 8th/7th.cent. BC), Liburnian culture is most similar to the Picenian culture in the Adriatic world by the intensity and period of cremation, and form of urns. Specifically, decorated urn in a male grave 52 from Numana from the 9th century BC is analogous to the Nadin urns. This grave from Numana is usually mentioned as an example of trans-Adriatic, Picenian-Liburnian (Balkanic) i.e. Picenian-Histrian relations. Liburnian urns are similar to the urn from the grave in Numana, 495, Davanzali, from the late 9th century by their profilation. "Genesis" of both Liburnian and Picenian cremation is unknown. They are two convergent phenomena, reflecting the "unity" of the late Urnenfelder world of the 10th/9th centuries BC and resulting from cultural-ethnical contacts in a "closed circle" from the Danubian region – southeastern Alpine region – Apennine Peninsula, supported by smaller migrations in the first centuries of the Iron Age, from the trans-Adriatic direction in Picenum (with definite Villanova influence), and in Liburnia probably from the hinterland. In this Adriatic circle in the first centuries of the Iron Age multiple cultural contacts between Liburnians, Histrians and Picenians are for now a good (initial) context for a more detailed interpretation of Liburnian cremation. Despite the aforementioned, it is not necessary to relate directly the structure (ritual, goods) of gr. 52, Numana – Qualiotti to Histrian patterns nor the grave 495, Numana-Davanzali to the Iapodian ones. Cremated Liburnian burial from the Early Iron Age represents a certain continuity and a "reflection" of the late Urnenfelder circle, which was manifested in different ways in the beginnings of the Liburnian, Picenian, and Histrian cultures and elsewhere. The latest excavations on a planned Liburnian-Roman necropolis in Nadin (Nedinum) provided us with new information about the spatial, chronological and symbolical relation (religious, social) between the autochtonous Liburnian and Roman component in the period of Romanization of northern Dalmatia.

https://morepress.unizd.hr/journals/index.php/adriatica/article/view/1071

But, a single sample so far, we need to wait for more in order to make conclusion, so far E-V13 in a pack we see in Viminacium and the most in Psenicevo Culture (which is descendand of the true originators of Urnfield Culture, Gava).

Hawk · May 18, 2022

We have several explanations for that E-V13 (non Z5017/Z5018) in Zadar:

1. Cetina Culture
2. Vatin Culture contribution on Proto-Illyrians, as attested archeologically, though Vatin people were common people and not part of the elite. Their northern kinsmen culture vanished, they either ran away or were replaced by the incoming Channeled-Ware who were battling in and around Danube with the Tumulus people.
3. Late Bronze Age to Early Iron Age Urnfield Culture.

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

Tomenable said:
3745.bam looks Italian:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Europe_ITA_Liguria
1.028720
Europe_ITA_Lombardy
1.046060
Europe_ITA_Veneto
1.060488
Europe_ITA_Tuscany
1.094382
(...)

This must be R3745.

=====

R9918 from Montenegro looks like modern South Slavs already:

Sample 9918.txt
Amerindian 0
Arabian 0
Armenian 5.9
Basque 0.14
Central African 0
Central Euro 8.96
East African 0
East Asian 0
East Balkan 5.38
East Central Asian 0
East Central Euro 17.14
East Med 1.42
Eastern Euro 11.48
Fennoscandian 4.69
French 1.97
Iberian 8.92
Indo-Chinese 0.5
Italian 15.29
Malayan 0
Near Eastern 2.17
North African 0
North Atlantic 7.58
North Caucasian 0
North Sea 5.42
Northeast African 0
Oceanian 0
Omotic 0
Pygmy 0
Siberian 0
South Asian 0
South Central Asian 0
South Chinese 0
Volga-Ural 0
West African 0
West Caucasian 1.34
West Med 1.71

It seems the autosomal matches the historical context quite well. Pre migration Balkans looking North Italian, with post migration matching the admixture event. Asked Tomenable to run the AC-BC calculation, to see if it can tell us what the migration population would have resembled.

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

Bruzmi said:
R3745 is the first published E-V13 in the coastal western Balkans in antiquity, one of the oldest E-V13 in the Balkans and the oldest sample from Roman Iader. A brief summary of the historical context of the area.

The inhabitants of Iader known as Iadestini, Iadastini (Latin), Iadasinoi (Greek). Iader is located in southern Liburnia and is one of the areas of Liburnia where Illyrian tribes had moved since the Early Iron Age. Thus, the Iadestini are referred to as one of the Illyrian people in southern Liburnia in ancient sources.

‘Illyrians’ in ancient ethnographic discourse
Danijel Dzino
Dans Dialogues d'histoire ancienne 2014/2 (40/2), pages 45 à 65

The Iadastini are mentioned for the first time in the 4th century BCE.

In the Periplus of Pseudo-Scylax:

(Map from Sasel-Kos (2013), The 'great lake' and the Autariatai in Pseudo-Skylax)

Seems we got our first E-V13 Illyrian judging by this.

mount123 · May 18, 2022

Archetype0ne said:
Seems we got our first E-V13 Illyrian judging by this.

He does not plot autosomally with the Iron Age Illyrian samples. This is not a BCE sample or am I missing something here. Also funny how all of these J2b-L283 core Illyrian Iron Age samples were not seen as Illyrian by Bruzmi but he is literally over the moon for a much younger AD E1b-V13 sample in the region.

The Iron Age Illyrian sample plot further north. This sample seems to plot closer to Central Italians as it seems. His clade is also very isolated?

mount123 · May 18, 2022

Archetype0ne said:
Aparently not. There was a mixup in the bam file names.

lol
Doclea sample.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1043/

I like Doclea as it shows a nice variety of subclades in one place and surprising paternal Illyrian continuity in AD times. One sample is under Z38240 AD continuity Doclea, mod. d. Montenegro R9918: J-CTS6190 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190 the other under Z638 AD continuity Doclea, mod.d. Montenegro R3481: J-Z1043 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1043/

The J-Z1043 sample is so important for all under Z631, Dajt e mi who are Korbi, I wanted to use a Raven emoji but cannot

May not be the Gramps moment you had with that Early Iapygian sample but this is nonetheless really exciting news for me :awesome: It also proves an East Adriatic and not as some were postulating Celtic? origin am thinking of Ghurier here lol

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

mount123 said:
I like Doclea as it shows a nice variety of subclades in one place and surprising paternal Illyrian continuity in AD times. One sample is under Z38240 AD continuity Doclea, mod. d. Montenegro R9918: J-CTS6190 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS6190 the other under Z638 AD continuity Doclea, mod.d. Montenegro R3481: J-Z1043 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z1043/

The J-Z1043 sample is so important for all under Z631, Dajt e mi who are Korbi, I wanted to use a Raven emoji but cannot May not be the Gramps moment you had with that Early Iapygian sample but this is nonetheless really exciting news for me :awesome: It also proves an East Adriatic and not as some were postulating Celtic? origin am thinking of Ghurier here lol

Yep. Feels like discovering an old relative doesn't it? Quite an amazing feeling. Makes this hobby even more rewarding.

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

As for the E-V13 that is core Illyrian territory. A sample that so far was elusive from the region, being found in the first century CE NW Balkans. That is also the oldest V13 sample from the Balkans or am I missing something?
Think in that subclade we have Dushmani, some Arberesh as well as some Montenegro or is it Serbian nobility? Not to versed in Balkan clans.
As for the autosomal. That is exactly what you would expect. The difference from Marche/Tuscany/Lombary can be seen autosomally even among cousins given the current methods/calculators, they really cluster together. Seems a foregone conclusion that pre migration Balkans, at least from the samples we have, was N. Italian like.

Edit: As for fora politics as you might have noticed, except for my larp hunting I try not to get bothered to much by the politics of it. Each one of the members me included gets things right and wrong depending on the ocassion, I try not to hold grudges. So just because Brumzi said it does not make the sources irrelevant. Shooting down the message because of the messenger is like missing the moon for the finger.

Hawk · May 18, 2022

mount123 said:
He does not plot autosomally with the Iron Age Illyrian samples. This is not a BCE sample or am I missing something here. Also funny how all of these J2b-L283 core Illyrian Iron Age samples were not seen as Illyrian by Bruzmi but he is literally over the moon for a much younger AD E1b-V13 sample in the region.

The Iron Age Illyrian sample plot further north. This sample seems to plot closer to Central Italians as it seems. His clade is also very isolated?

From where were the earlier samples with Iron Age J2b2-L283, Liburnian core territory or somewhere else? Perhaps Liburnians might have been separate domain. We need more samples, too bad it's from a timeline where a lot of possibilites, but his Central Italian-like profile hints that he wasn't from somewhere else.

But there is no mistake, if he is a lone ranger, and the majority appear in a completely different cultural-context in Gava derived Psenicevo, then the origin is clear.

I can see rafc saying that the two other Dalmatian samples were exotic J2a and E-M34, i thought along with E-V13 were just some Roman soldiers, but the E-V13 autosomal plots with Central Italians.

Archetype0ne · May 18, 2022

Hawk said:
From where were the earlier samples with Iron Age J2b2-L283, Liburnian core territory or somewhere else? Perhaps Liburnians might have been separate domain. We need more samples, too bad it's from a timeline where a lot of possibilites, but his Central Italian-like profile hints that he wasn't from somewhere else.

But there is no mistake, if he is a lone ranger, and the majority appear in a completely different cultural-context in Gava derived Psenicevo, then the origin is clear.

Fully agree. The good news is that not all samples have been analyzed from Croatia and Serbia yet. Including one from Naissus, and I have a feeling, or maybe hope that we do find an E-V13 in Naissus. That would be quite something as far as vindicating some of your theories.

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