The Canaanites and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Nope. The name Palestine is mentioned in herodotus 5 centuries before such events. It is just that jews like to twist words and truths.
Herodotus provides the first historical reference clearly denoting a wider region than biblical Philistia, as he applied the term to both the coastal and the inland regions such as the Judean Mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley
The etymology most likely comes from Pelesheth "Philistia, land of the Philistines.
The jews claim that the Philistines disappeared and the people inhabitting the roman province named palestina-syria were green extraterrestrials that fell from the sky.

The Philistines were absorbed into the local Canaanite population. The second part of my post addresses the possible etymology Philistine/Philistia.
 
Jews arrived much later to Palestinia and have no continuity with the ancient population that lived there. They came there when the area was majority Arab and Muslim. After World War II 700,000 Palestinians were expelled in order to make room for a Jewish state. And the torture continues. Israel is a colonial, terrorist, apartheid state backed up by the United States, another country controlled by Jews. And I don't agree with Hamas or the crimes they commit.
But Israelis/Jews already existed in antiquity in those areas, Kingdom of Judah, even 1000 years before the Palestinians, now, if the "Filistin" theory is true then they waged hostilities since these periods, saying that Jews arrived "later" is an error, they were kicked by force but 2000 years later they went back to their homeland to retake it, Islam was created around 600/630 AD, so 6 centuries after the Jews were kicked out of their homeland by the Romans, I don't support their cause nor their plans but they certainly aren't alien to the Middle East, Arabs grabbed Egypt and Middle East as well as Iran and North Africa as well, maybe those populations should re-think about an "reconquista"..
 
But Israelis/Jews already existed in antiquity in those areas, Kingdom of Judah, even 1000 years before the Palestinians, now, if the "Filistin" theory is true then they waged hostilities since these periods, saying that Jews arrived "later" is an error, they were kicked by force but 2000 years later they went back to their homeland to retake it, Islam was created around 600/630 AD, so 6 centuries after the Jews were kicked out of their homeland by the Romans, I don't support their cause nor their plans but they certainly aren't alien to the Middle East, Arabs grabbed Egypt and Middle East as well as Iran and North Africa as well, maybe those populations should re-think about an "reconquista"..
There is 0 evidence for any kind of a kingdom of David or of other fictional figures like Solomon or Moses. I suggest you read the scholarly work of two of the most knowledgeable scholars of hebrew bible ( and canaanite history) i.e Mauro Biglino and Francesca Stavrakopoulou. Just like the egyptian "exodus" these are just madeup stories, with influences mostly during the babylonian captive period of the jewish elite.

Remember that yahweh was nothing else but a minor god of the canaanite pantheon ( of the metallurgists guild ) which was integrated as the primary ( but not only) god of the israelites. The area was already inhabited by multiple canaanite tribes, some of which the israelites genocided ( according to their bible ) urged by yawheh with very detailed and graphic instructions on what to do with pregnant women and infants ( see amalekites, mediadites and edomites). The philistines ( whom the israeli do not want to connect with the modern palestinians at all) were absorbed to the existing canaanite tribes. The fact that some changed religion over the years means nothing and genetic studies of palestinians show ( as expected) semitic origin.

Nobody "kicked" the jews out of their "homeland" ( by who exactly and for what reason/motivation). The jews migrated during the early roman period for multiple reasons that have nothing to do with the destruction of the 2nd temple or the two jewish-roman wars. There were always jews in the area and their migration was gradual over large time periods all the way to the spread of christian and then islamic religion. Unlike the forced expulsion which did take place in from multiple european kingdoms or cities, the first migration of jews out of palestine was mostly voluntary.
 
There is 0 evidence for any kind of a kingdom of David or of other fictional figures like Solomon or Moses. I suggest you read the scholarly work of two of the most knowledgeable scholars of hebrew bible ( and canaanite history) i.e Mauro Biglino and Francesca Stavrakopoulou. Just like the egyptian "exodus" these are just madeup stories, with influences mostly during the babylonian captive period of the jewish elite.

Remember that yahweh was nothing else but a minor god of the canaanite pantheon ( of the metallurgists guild ) which was integrated as the primary ( but not only) god of the israelites. The area was already inhabited by multiple canaanite tribes, some of which the israelites genocided ( according to their bible ) urged by yawheh with very detailed and graphic instructions on what to do with pregnant women and infants ( see amalekites, mediadites and edomites). The philistines ( whom the israeli do not want to connect with the modern palestinians at all) were absorbed to the existing canaanite tribes. The fact that some changed religion over the years means nothing and genetic studies of palestinians show ( as expected) semitic origin.

Nobody "kicked" the jews out of their "homeland" ( by who exactly and for what reason/motivation). The jews migrated during the early roman period for multiple reasons that have nothing to do with the destruction of the 2nd temple or the two jewish-roman wars. There were always jews in the area and their migration was gradual over large time periods all the way to the spread of christian and then islamic religion. Unlike the forced expulsion which did take place in from multiple european kingdoms or cities, the first migration of jews out of palestine was mostly voluntary.
They were also forced to leave that area, not all, but a good part was, also many of them were killed, those who migrated had their reasons, Jews didn't decided in one day to leave their homeland, rename it "Palestinae" and then wage war against everyone, but they certainly had "shady" plans since the times of Alexander the Great, so saying that Jew's ancient home is not Jewish is wrong, again, the Muslim Arabs arrived in Middle East much later, certainly Arab communities already existed in Roman period Middle East, but they were not Muslims, if you had an piece of land and you were robbed and someone replaced you then your descendants go back to retake it, nothing wrong, as Russia wants Ukraine back, because it was their land and Ukrainians are basically Southern Russians, the country itself is fabricated, some lands and cities were and still are Polish the rest are Russian by history, same with Israel, if the Jews just leave to that area and finally stop annoying everyone in the world it would be a good thing, but they won't stop since they have so much power, Alexandros should have minded his business..
 
They were also forced to leave that area, not all, but a good part was, also many of them were killed, those who migrated had their reasons, Jews didn't decided in one day to leave their homeland, rename it "Palestinae" and then wage war against everyone, but they certainly had "shady" plans since the times of Alexander the Great, so saying that Jew's ancient home is not Jewish is wrong, again, the Muslim Arabs arrived in Middle East much later, certainly Arab communities already existed in Roman period Middle East, but they were not Muslims, if you had an piece of land and you were robbed and someone replaced you then your descendants go back to retake it, nothing wrong, as Russia wants Ukraine back, because it was their land and Ukrainians are basically Southern Russians, the country itself is fabricated, some lands and cities were and still are Polish the rest are Russian by history, same with Israel, if the Jews just leave to that area and finally stop annoying everyone in the world it would be a good thing, but they won't stop since they have so much power, Alexandros should have minded his business..
You are still using the word "homeland" when it is essentially an invaded part of the canaanite's land. Every battle vs the canaanite tribes is recorded in the torah. I do not even understand what you mean by who had "shady" plans or what does alexander the great ( 4th century bc) has to do with the roman-jewish wars 5 centuries later when the jews left judea. In fact alexander the great left the jews alone and let them follow their laws, sacrificed in the temple following the instructions of the high priest etc So I think you are completely misinformed about basic historical events.
Most likely you are mistaking the Seleukids and the maccabean revolt ( which has nothing to do with alexander the great and took place 2 centuries later) .

Your childish idea of "retaking the lands that your ancestors got robbed off" ( btw noone robbed especially the jews of any land) go back and take it, means that the native americans should genocide the european americans, the southern native americans should genocide the european colonisers, the aborigines should genocide the european australians, the greeks and armenian should genocide the turks, the romans should genocide everyone in the territoriy old roman empire, the greeks should do the same with those before, the persian the same, then the assyrians etc Everyone has robbed the land from someone before them, since homo sapiens originates from africa and the myth of " empty land or free real estate" does not exist or existed ( especially not in chalkolithic age)

Going back after 2 millenia and throwing people out of their houses based on some stupid mythological ancestral right to any land is a crime which will be punished ( no matter how much money and power a group of people have). Unfortunately for a lot of us ( me included), there is an afterlife and it is not sleeping with our forefathers waiting for the messiah so the gentiles will serve the chosen ones.
 
You are still using the word "homeland" when it is essentially an invaded part of the canaanite's land. Every battle vs the canaanite tribes is recorded in the torah.
I was under the impression that the Israelites were another group of Canaanites. And it was hard to say whether they had admixture from anywhere else in the near east.
 
I was under the impression that the Israelites were another group of Canaanites. And it was hard to say whether they had admixture from anywhere else in the near east.
The main group inhabiting the land that the israelites call Judea were the amorites. The canaanites is mostly a geographical terms so some describe the israelites as the descendants of the canaanites but others do not include them as they essentially wiped out the different tribes that we call canaanites ( who btw include even the ugarits, the phoenicians even the protoarabs)
 
Jews also bought land in Israel. Many Jews in Israel are also from Africa where they fled persecution or moved to Israel for economic reasons and not just Europe so the issue becomes that many Jews have nowhere to go. Also the UN in 1947 offered to create a Palestinian state but was rejected by the Palestinians as this did not satisfy them instead they ended up attacking Israel which started the whole war I think and which ended up in countless Palestinians fleeing and more territory taken by Jews. Maybe this is also how there ended up extremists from both sides. Israel is a terrorist state in the way they treat civilians but so are Hamas. Weirdly enough, an Arab is not allowed to return back who used to live there but a Jew from any part of the world can move there.
 
Jews also bought land in Israel. Many Jews in Israel are also from Africa where they fled persecution or moved to Israel for economic reasons and not just Europe so the issue becomes that many Jews have nowhere to go. Also the UN in 1947 offered to create a Palestinian state but was rejected by the Palestinians as this did not satisfy them instead they ended up attacking Israel which started the whole war I think and which ended up in countless Palestinians fleeing and more territory taken by Jews. Maybe this is also how there ended up extremists from both sides. Israel is a terrorist state in the way they treat civilians but so are Hamas. Weirdly enough, an Arab is not allowed to return back who used to live there but a Jew from any part of the world can move there.
The war started in 1917, not in 1947. And why should they accept the resolution? The very resolution that gave Israel 56% of a land where over half of the population was Palestinian and was predominantly made up of Palestinian villages. Israel depopulated all of these villages to pave for settlements.
 
They were also forced to leave that area, not all, but a good part was, also many of them were killed, those who migrated had their reasons, Jews didn't decided in one day to leave their homeland, rename it "Palestinae" and then wage war against everyone, but they certainly had "shady" plans since the times of Alexander the Great, so saying that Jew's ancient home is not Jewish is wrong, again, the Muslim Arabs arrived in Middle East much later, certainly Arab communities already existed in Roman period Middle East, but they were not Muslims, if you had an piece of land and you were robbed and someone replaced you then your descendants go back to retake it, nothing wrong, as Russia wants Ukraine back, because it was their land and Ukrainians are basically Southern Russians, the country itself is fabricated, some lands and cities were and still are Polish the rest are Russian by history, same with Israel, if the Jews just leave to that area and finally stop annoying everyone in the world it would be a good thing, but they won't stop since they have so much power, Alexandros should have minded his business..
Their predecessors being Muslims or not is totally irrelevant, the conflict is basically ethnic cleansing. Palestinians did not replace anyone, they're mainly the descendants of an amalgam of ancient communities who lived there before Islam, and that includes Jews, Samaritans and Christians of various backgrounds, including Christian Arabs. Palestinian ethnogenesis took place in Palestine. Their dialect retains a heavy Aramaic and Hebrew substrata. Their customs and attire, their folk dances, are all reminiscient of ancient Levantine customs practiced there before Islam.

Arguing that their displacement was somehow justified on basis of having a different religion than their predecessors, is plain stupid and inconsiderate. No one has that right.
 
Interesting video:

It's stuff I kinda already knew (Iran neolithic/chalcolitic, CHG, Anatolian neolithic, and Natufian mix) but it's nice and short.
 
people here are acting like modern jews who live
in israel
have no levantine ancestery
but even after we have been for 2000 years in another yards
we still have significant levantine ancstery

we are not that strange to the levant region
also if you look at the y chrosmomes of most modern jews
it leads to the levant

and don't call our relegion stupid
i didn't say that on christianity and islam
lucky for the palestinians
europeans support them i didn't heard a sound from europeans when assad butchered the syrians
a 3 year old kid can see that they have agenda here ( hate to jews )
so europeans are not objective here at all
we are an ancient people who exist 3300 years
if hamas=isis wants a war they will get one

p.s
i hope our r1a-z93 prime minister will finally grow some balls
and will do the right thing
 
Bearing Y-DNA that hints at a Levantine origin does not equal autosomal ancestry. In fact, European Jews are most closely related to the Italians because of their high EEF ancestry. The Jews that arrived in Europe 2000 years ago began to mix with Europeans soon, so little is left of their Semitic roots.

During the height of the war in Syria (in which Israel was participating and still does), Assad being a monster who is butchering his people was all you could hear and read in European media. Even now, governments are declaring their solidarity with Israel and putting up Israeli flags on public squares and government buildings where they have no business to be. We're also having problems here with Arab and other Muslim kids tearing down those flags.

And Hamas is not the same as ISIS. It is a terrorist organisation that was sponsored by the Israeli government to divide and weaken the PLO/Fatah from the late 1980s onward. Now that monster is out of control. Same with ISIS which arose from the chaos in the Middle East that ensued after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 and which was sponsored by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and even Israel, all for the purpose of toppling Assad. It is well-known that ISIS fighters were treated in Israeli hospitals. It is a very dirty and stupid game Israel is playing and it will eventually burn its fingers if it decides to attack Iran because it failed to get the Americans to do its bidding.
 
Bearing Y-DNA that hints at a Levantine origin does not equal autosomal ancestry. In fact, European Jews are most closely related to the Italians because of their high EEF ancestry. The Jews that arrived in Europe 2000 years ago began to mix with Europeans soon, so little is left of their Semitic roots.

During the height of the war in Syria (in which Israel was participating and still does), Assad being a monster who is butchering his people was all you could hear and read in European media. Even now, governments are declaring their solidarity with Israel and putting up Israeli flags on public squares and government buildings where they have no business to be. We're also having problems here with Arab and other Muslim kids tearing down those flags.

And Hamas is not the same as ISIS. It is a terrorist organisation that was sponsored by the Israeli government to divide and weaken the PLO/Fatah from the late 1980s onward. Now that monster is out of control. Same with ISIS which arose from the chaos in the Middle East that ensued after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 and which was sponsored by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and even Israel, all for the purpose of toppling Assad. It is well-known that ISIS fighters were treated in Israeli hospitals. It is a very dirty and stupid game Israel is playing and it will eventually burn its fingers if it decides to attack Iran because it failed to get the Americans to do its bidding.
to me they are after the 7th in october
mind you even nazis were not thats sadistic
hamas are monsters big time
about the y chromosome
don't get your point we have also levantine ancestery in the autosomal
not only the y haplogroup
and no i didnt remember such big demonstration when assad did his crime
instead i see demonstration now in west europe of pro-palestinians
 
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people here are acting like modern jews who live
in israel
have no levantine ancestery
but even after we have been for 2000 years in another yards
we still have significant levantine ancstery

we are not that strange to the levant region
also if you look at the y chrosmomes of most modern jews
it leads to the levant
Palestinians are also Levantine, have Levantine ancestry, form a Levantine continuum with their fellow Lebanese and Syrians, and inhabited the region continuously for millennia. They are no strangers to Palestine. None of what you mentioned justifies the depopulation that ensued since 1948.
 
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Palestinians are also Levantine, have Levantine ancestry, form a Levantine continuum with their fellow Lebanese and Syrians, and inhabited the region continuously for millennia. They are no strangers to Palestine. None of what you mentioned justifies the depopulation that ensued since 1948.

it is a harsh conflict
but i can promise you this we
jews in israel not going anywhere
this land was promised to us and to our seed
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people here are acting like modern jews who live
in israel
have no levantine ancestery
but even after we have been for 2000 years in another yards
we still have significant levantine ancstery

we are not that strange to the levant region
also if you look at the y chrosmomes of most modern jews
it leads to the levant

and don't call our relegion stupid
i didn't say that on christianity and islam
lucky for the palestinians
europeans support them i didn't heard a sound from europeans when assad butchered the syrians
a 3 year old kid can see that they have agenda here ( hate to jews )
so europeans are not objective here at all
we are an ancient people who exist 3300 years
if hamas=isis wants a war they will get one

p.s
i hope our r1a-z93 prime minister will finally grow some balls
and will do the right thing
You probably weren't adressing me in this comment. My whole stance on this is neutral. And yes I do know that modern Jews (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, etc) have ancient levantine in their aDNA. I just didn't mention it in my previous posts.
 
You probably weren't adressing me in this comment. My whole stance on this is neutral. And yes I do know that modern Jews (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, etc) have ancient levantine in their aDNA. I just didn't mention it in my previous posts.
no i wasn't
i was adressing DrWh033
its ok people can take palestinians side
i can live with it
it isn't that surprising to me
 
to me they are after the 7th in october
mind you even nazis were not thats sadistic
hamas are monsters big time
about the y chromosome
don't get your point we have also levantine ancestery in the autosomal
not only the y haplogroup
and no i didnt remember such big demonstration when assad did his crime
instead i see demonstration now in west europe of pro-palestinians

I'm not denying that European Jews have some Levantine ancestry but it is ancient and highly diluted. The Ashkenazim are genetically much more closer to Europeans than to Middle Easterners. As for the demonstrations, the idiots in this country and on this continent were too busy welcoming refugees at the time.
 

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