You are doubling down on your ignorance.
a) The Ionian historian Herodotus (c. 484 – c. 425 BC) visited the area where the province of Judah would have been located but he makes no mention of Judeans or Hebrews, although by his time the Babylonian captivity was supposed to have ended. In fact not even aristotle mentions them despite describing the Red Sea in his meteorology. The word Παλαιστινη is a transcription into greek, not a greek word. Just like e.g Egypt is Αἴγυπτος from the
Egyptian ḥwt-kꜣ-ptḥ (literally “The temple of the
ka of
Ptah”). So it is more than obvious that the word refers to the Peleseth.
b) Yes you are. In fact you go one step further and now you are mixing in a religion as well...The palestinian people are the direct descendents of the people living in the province of Syria-Palestina when the majority of the jews left after the destruction of the 2nd temple in 70 ad (and the following years after the second romeojudean war and the failed Bar Kokhba revolt.)
The area was under Roman/Byzantine control for 7 centuries untill the first muslim took over Jerusalem. Who do you think lived there for 7 centuries? Which people lived in the christianised Palaestina Prima and Palaestine Salutaris? Do you even understand the demographics or the history of this area ?
c) No such thing as religion, scriptures, genetics, history gives the right to free real estate? Need their "homeland" ? You really think that Scarlett Johansson, Harisson Ford and Gylenhaal have any genetic ( or other) ties to that "homeland" ? Do the native americans NOT need their homeland ? I am pretty sure their genetic ties to north america are far stronger than the ties of askhenasim to the palestine region.
d) You fail to grasp the history of this area in its entirety but let's focus on the post-zionism era which you are focusing on. On 1 April 1945, the British administration's statistics showed that Jewish buyers had legal ownership over approximately 5.67% of the Mandate's total land area. That is a ridiculously low %. Do I need to mention the % of jewish population during the previous decades ? You really need to read about the demographics of this area because you are completely clueless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
Of course they identified as Palestinians.
e) It is hilarious to talk about centuries long hatred of Muslims towards Jews when the primary persecution of the jews was done by christians catholics over a period of 2 millenia. Even the christianisation of the area during late antiuity ( 4th-6th century) was intentionally an attempt to reduce the judean influence of the area. So you are ignoring a history of 2 millenia just to focus on the past century while ignoring the obvious fact of the immense injustice of giving 44% of the land to 1,2 million palestinian people and 56% to 500k jews. When exactly did the palestinian muslims steal jewish owned land ?
Islam is a horrible backwards religion indeed. So is judaism and christianity - abrahamic religions. You are misunderstanding a pure political issue as some form of religious war. I do not know if you are doing it because you are just a misled american by years of jewish propaganda and false flags ( there are countless americans as such especially of low education) or because you are jewish yourself. If it is the latter you being I1 haplogroup makes it hilarious.
a) Gee an argument from silence. Why would he call them Hebrews or Jews? This was during the Persian rule. Thus, after the conquest of the Assyrians and the Baby's. Who do you think they conquered in that area? And how would these people's history not be known by the time of Herodotus going there?
Herodotus divided the Achaemenid Empire into 20 districts for the purpose of tribute payments. Since the area was known as Syria (District 5) anyone in that area was you guessed it a Syrian who paid taxes. For Herodotus there was a part of Syria called Palestine. Yet no one uses that prior to him. That is not a people but a region within Syria.
The Persians had the satrap called
Eber-nari (Akkadian). A province or Medinat of this area was
Jehud. Northeast of the Eberi-nari was the satrap of Assyria (also called Athura). In the book of Ezra it is called
Abar Nahara (Old Aramaic) which means ‘beyond the river’ – that is the Euphrates - the Western bank of the Euphrates from a Mesopotamian and Persian viewpoint. It's also related the the term Hebrew.
Neither the Egyptians, the Assyrians, nor the Babylonians called the REGION Palestine. You are trying to link an Egyptian named people - Peleset - to a regional name used by a Greek traveler hundreds of years later. The Assyrians called it Palashtu/Palatu or Philistu (for the people who inhabited a smaller area that what Herodotus mentions) around 800-700 BCE. During this time, you had the
Kingdom of Judah and the
Kingdom of Israel.
The Babylonians translated the Hebrew name [Judah] into Aramaic as Yehud Medinata ('the province of Judah') or simply 'Yehud' and made it a new Babylonian province.
So Herodotus most definitely heard this history of Jews being conquered and as I noted probably knew some of their stories. Just because he does not mention 'Jews' and 'Hebrews' per-se when telling PERSIAN history and their districts does not mean anything.
Philistines and Peleset have connection but not necessarily with the term Palestine as used by Herodotus over 600 years later with no connection prior.
As such I'll triple down on the possibility that Herodotus is the first to use it because he is making some type of pun on Israel wrestling with God.
Like Herodotus, Aristotle gives the strong impression that when he uses the term Palestine, he is referring to the Land of Israel. In his description of the Dead Sea, Aristotle says that it is situated in Palestine. The Land of the Philistines, however, was separated from the Dead Sea by the hills and wilderness of Judea, so Aristotle could hardly have intended the two to be directly connected! He, too, seemed to identify the Land of Israel as Palestine. Although Aristotle does not actually name the lake, his comment that neither man nor beast could sink in its waters, which are bitter and salty and do not support fish, leaves no doubt that he is referring to the Dead Sea.
Herodotus also says that 'Syrians of Palestine' learnt the custom of circumcision from the Egyptians.
b) They never identified themselves as a distinct Palestinian people. Again, it is a region and anyone living there who referenced the region and it people (which could be anyone from Jews to Greeks to whoever) was a Palestinian. Again, I never said that they have no connection to the land.
c) If someone is going to use genetics as a principle for connection to the land then I'm going to point out that the Jews (even Ashkenazim) have a genetic connection. And those that do not have a genetic connection but have become Jews as a result of conversion are still persecuted as Jews whether they have the genes of not. As such saying that Jews who are not genetically related to the ancient peoples of this area is not an argument for why they have no right to exist in their 'homeland' Israel where they feel free and protected.
d) Jews were called Palestinians - hello! I understand the demographics very well. Ownership was low all around. I'll deal with this in subsequent posts.
e) Not sure how this is relevant. I did not deny any of that. We are talking about a conflict born out of the time since the Muslim conquest of this land towards the Jews not their history in Europe. I'm not ignoring anything I'm focusing on the subject of the Israel Palestinian/Arab/Muslim conflict in that region.
The Mandate was for Israel to have that region - read the docs. They gave Arabs Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia (the only Arabs that fought against the Ottoman Turks) and Trans-Jordan - four ARAB-RELIGIOUS states that surrounded the area designated for the Jews. But then that subsequently got fought over as if the Arab Palestinians were a separate group needing another Arab State. BS!
If you don't think this has any religious roots and branches and leaves but simply political your blind. Islam is a political religious sect. The two go together. I know the facts and read primary docs not some books with attempts to massage those docs. And no I have never thought of mayself as either ethnically Jewish or religiously Jewish but according to my DNA I'm 10% but have no clue where that comes from since the possible Germans that were Jewsih probably changed their names and religion.
