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Vlach haplogroups & deep ancestry?

Dreptul Valah said:
L-r rhotacism only exists in the Aromanian name of Bulgaria, Vargaria,it is an inherited word,suggesting that they lived since old times near some Bulgarian population.
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obviously it is not only Armanian, since, as I already showed previously, but you have not paid close attention to and making me repeat, the 14th cent. Catalan Atlas shows both one BuRGaria between the Danube and the Dnipro rivers in Ukraine (the Old Russia), and one BuLGaria South of the Danube. Also, as I said, the rhotacism is found in the following words/ names: the name Vlah similar to BRiGes/ Phrygian Thracian BaLaios – mighty, which in contemporary Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian as BoL means very big, very much, similar also to the Proto Celtic BaLKo, in Eire previously BaLC, also BaLCH, today - uallach, Wealsh - BaLCH, Cornwallish - BaLGh, Bretonic BaLC'h – mighty and also free man. Albanian PLaK – head, leader. The various versions of the BuLGarian/ BuRGarian name has similar meanings - BəLGar, BeLGar, BaLKar, BəRGar, BuRGar (Vurgar), BLəGar are similar to the Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian BeL/ ByaL - White/ Latin PuLCHero - nice, oBaGRen - BRiGht/ BhaRGa in Sanskrit, in meaning similar to the Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRgarian yarək and Ukrainian (Old Russian) yary which sounds similar to Aryan, and BaLK-an means an elevated place, same as the English BuLK and BuLGe, also BuRG, while BLəGar is similar to the Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian BLaG - noble and BLaGoroden - thankful, grateful. I surely see the rhotacism here both in sounds and meanings!!! българия_бъргария_бургария украйна_catalan_atlas_1375_карта_.jpg
 
Dreptul Valah said:
L-r rhotacism only exists in the Aromanian name of Bulgaria, Vargaria,it is an inherited word,suggesting that they lived since old times near some Bulgarian population.
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Do you know the Italian fashion brand BVLGARI's founder was an Arman (that is a Latinized) from the the Pindus (from Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian sve/n/t and Latinized sfint - BRiGht) called by the 11th cent. Thessalian Cecaumenos the Mountains of BuLGaria, which my great grandfather was expelled from by the Hellenized (Rum) for refusing Hellenization and persisting on being Bu(R)Gar-ian! Here is a picture of the area where BVLGARI came from, Mount Tzoumerka (that is in Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian Chumerka, like Chumerna in the BaLKan Mountains in BuLGaria which means sullen and !!! murky !!!, the English murky is even of the same root word!!!) българия гърция епир кекавмен планините на българия.jpgбългария_македония_гърция_11_век_тесалия_епир_ПИНД_ПЛ.jpg
 

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Dreptul Valah said:
As a personal remark,those days are long gone,now,to break some Romanian bones,you have to turn into a "scientist"...



The obvious differentiation made by the Crusader Chronicle between the Greeks,Bulgarians, Serbs,on one hand,and the "semi-barbarian Vlachs" from the Nis-Ravno area probably demonstrate that these were the southernmost Daco-Romanians,because they are painted in this way,fighting in sheepskins by the contemporary paintings of the Posada battle.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...x-Chronicon_Pictum_P0143_A_posadai_csata1.JPG
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I am trying to say, genetically we in South Eastern Europe are more less the same. I am sure it is utmost stupidity to go on doing what Herodotus had warned of 2500 years ago. Instead of focusing on the differences, which do make us rich, we should focus on what brings us together in ordr to forgive the mistakes and wrongdoings of the past in order to shake hands and get together to work for the BRiGhter future of everybody in the region!!!
 
nothingfail said:
Do you know what buza and obraz mean in Sclaveno = BuLGarian/ BuRGarian !!! As well, as vrana, too, by the way!!!
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My Baragan part of family was led by a shepherdess from the Vrancea mountains,this great grandmother of mine was living under some very rough conditions, let by her parents with the sheep's alone in the plains starting with the age of 10-12.



She was green-eyed blonde,3/4 dinaric,1/4 French-Belgian alpine.



A very manipulative women ,who didn't left too much room for interpretations,she drove the family members with an iron fist,like the legends from that area claims.


http://www.cnaic.ro/projects/puncte/Engleza/baba.html


A woman from Barsesti,one of the "Vrancioaia's villages":


http://tara-vrancei.ro/wp-content/uploads/tara-vrancei-barsesti-traditii-paine.jpg


https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bârsă
 
It is a known fact,in Romania ,lands that have also Old Bulgarian toponymy overlap with the inherited Old Romanian speech ,frankly,I don't think it's that bad,after all these are exactly were the Vlachs are attested the earliest,that already means...political power.
 
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One theory , is that they were descendants of Byzantine Empire's retired soldier who once they reached a certain (older)age, they were given land and kept as reserve troops known as apomaxoi
The official language of Byzantine empire was Latin until the 6th-7th century, and was certainly the lingua franca of the roman army. That the Vlach language has great similarities with Romanian it is only natural due to the the common roots of the languages, from eastern vulgar Latin. In the same manner that the iberian languages,the occitanian languages, the italian dialects have common orings in the vulgar latin accent spoken respectively in each region. Similarly, Romanian and Vlach descend from vulgar balkanic latin.
Another theory is that Vulgar latin came with refugees from Balkan interior pressured by the slavic or goth population migrations. Illyric tribes should have been thoroughly latinized(in the upper Balkans) as they have been in the Latin linguistic sphere of influence.
Either way Vlach and Romanian [FONT=q_serif, Georgia, Times, Times New Roman, Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro, Meiryo, serif] intelligibility should be much lower than the one Spanish have with Portuguese. [/FONT]
 
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The early Romanians-Vlachs appear in the Byzantine chronicles as local,independent, warlords, and names like Barbat are more than a confirmation.


In the Balkans,Vlach leaders like Dobromir Chrysos, Ivanko,Asen,Kaloyan,had exactly the same habits as Litovoi,Dragos,Bogdan or Basarab.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bărbat



https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bărbat



There is little doubt however that early Vlachs had a really ...vibrant will,doubled sometimes by the typical wrath(aprig),which can often overpass even butchery.
 
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Dobromir Chrysos was 100% an oldstyle Vlach.


"Chrysos forces were well,supplied at this fortress,since his flocks were housed inside the walls."



"Chrysos,who married here,despite his dislike for her dainty manners and her refusal to drink heavily at the wedding feast".



He could have used this important woman only as a tool,yet he wanted to share his experiences, feelings with her,surely wasn't about a drinking contest, but of "petrecere",that's why he became so loud on her " dainty manners".



https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/petrecere



https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/petrece#Romanian




https://books.google.ro/books?id=Lv...IJTAA#v=onepage&q=chrysos forces were&f=false
 
mamalinga, lol

where you excavate that word,

I had years to listen it


mamalinga the soup, bobota the bread,

corn, little bit of fat, a smell of onions, and cheese.

in slag modern Greek means rich, wealth, deposits of money.
 
The Vlachs from Upper Hungary(free Ottoman territory):


https://www.academia.edu/30713382/CENSUS_VALACHORUM_IN_MID-16_TH_CENTURY_UPPER_HUNGARY



The author Marius Diaconescu is an euro-rusoid acolyte, here's on RFI Romania:



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HkL-Qgz5Px0



At that time "Ruthenorum" was only about geography (Vlachs from Ruthenia),that's why is the alternative for Valachorum.



In middle ages Moldavia held Halych,while many shepherd reached NW Carpathians, because of the relations with the Polish Kingdom, yet,many Romanians must have come also from Maramures.



Note the similarities with Ilona Czamanska(Vlachs and Slavs),a tentative to make Moldavians Vlacho-Ruthenians.
 
It is also interesting to check the names of the YouTube posters.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xaUbU6L7jnI



An extremely bad line: "Although I'm from Maramures myself,Pintea Viteazul was nothing more than a simple outlaw".


I don't know why he doesn't say nothing about December'89,Timisoara being placed both near the Hungarian and Serbian borders.


I also hope it doesn't make you grumpier than that...
 
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Diaconescu:"we hadn't been a people to be noticed,to have contacts, that much with others,what stroked me in the foreign medieval documents(14-15th centuries) is that Romanians' general image was always bad;as a rule,Romanians are fire starters, thieves,lazy,liars,we are not talking here only about the Hungarian papers,they actually can be found through out whole Western Europe,these descriptions are not only about the local communities from Transylvania, Muntenia or Moldavia,but also of various, scattered, populations,such as the ones from the NW Carpathians, Slovakia,etc."
 
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In the 17-19th c.,the southern Transylvanian shepherds from Sibiu and Brasov areas ,decided to held allegiance towards Wallachia, as a gift,the Patriarchate from Constantinople allowed them to practice transhumance in Ottoman territory, like southern Ukraine,Caucasus, Dobruja, Bulgaria,etc,that's how mamaliga reached Ossetia,Chechnya.


Another possible source for Caucasus is Moldavia,since Dniester wasn't a real eastern border,with people joining the Cossacks and becoming hetmans like Nicoara Potcoava and many others or from Ottoman military places that had lots of Moldavians(Bugeac,Odessa,etc).
Admiral Kolchak's ancestor,Ilias(an Old Moldavian name) came from Bugeac,for example.




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliaș_Colceag
 
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