Immigration What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?

[ratchet_fan]

Hs the situation changed at all in Europe since the last post?

 

[Yetos]

HUMAN SMUGLING

or self-wounded to pass the boarders?

[video=youtube;25SP3eQUG_k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=25SP3eQUG_k&feature=emb_l ogo[/video]

 

[Ygorcs]

I'm surprised (and disgusted, I add) that 4 or almost 8% of the respondents chose "shoot them". I can only dread what these people would be willing to do if most European countries already had as many foreigners as the United Arab Emirates or even Australia and parts of the USA. I'm all for immigration control and the legitimacy about worrying about the preservation of ethnic and cultural ties of regions and states, BUT that is already bordering on eugenics.

 

[Angela]

Once you understand how large a percentage of the human population is absolutely immoral or amoral, you're never surprised about the horrendous opinions some of them hold.

 

[Angela]

Once you understand how large a percentage of the human population is absolutely immoral or amoral, you're never surprised about the horrendous opinions some of them hold.

You don't even need to be in the criminal justice system.

World War II and the holocaust is eighty years ago. It took AT LEAST 10% of the population to actively, knowingly participate in the atrocities, and at least another huge percentage who knew and went along.

Then a couple of decades later we have the Balkan Wars: concentration camps again, murder squads, ethnic cleansing, mass rape as a tool of that cleansing, and we're talking about people you can't tell apart.

The Northern Irish blew each other up for decades over a difference in religion and class, and I'd defy anyone to say just by looking that's definitely someone of Irish descent, and the other guy's ancestors obviously came from just across the little bit of water from southern Scotland or the Borders.

It's insanity, but it's human nature in an appalling percentage of people.

 

[Yetos]

from the last investigation to the survivors and arrested of Chalke illegal passing accident

there were 100 people in this boat,
each paid 5000 E
some wanted Belgium, some wanted Italy, etc,

I wonder how much earn the boat owner,
by the investigation seems more than 500 000 E.
do you think this boat cost so much?
and offcourse declare at police that his boat was stolen,

Many lost their lives,
THEY PAID 5000 Eυρω to HUMAN SMUGLING to find a wet tomp at bottom of sea.

HOW MUCH PEOPLE EARN FROM SUCH ACTIVITIES?

HELP STOP HUMAN SMUGLING AND TRAFFICKING

 

[Yetos]

and the question,

is there parental Guidnace by NGOs?
WHO GUIDES THEM TO ACT SUCH?

Tonight Lesbos island is burned,
the Station area for refuggees is burned to the ground,
cause after tests, some had to go to isolation and guarantine, and a lockdown

and sudenly the island is on fire, stones are thrown to firemans, so not to do their work.

Strange, all immigrants are leaving the station with smiles and singing Bye bye Moria !!!

Live from Greek tv

 

[Yetos]

HELP STOP HUMAN SMUGLING

the bellow videos are for refuggee, but for illegal immigrants.
some things to notice,

THE PARADOX-ON

1. ALL OF THEM PAID 3-7 000 Euro to human smugglers so to enter illegally to Greece some of them in their countries would be very rich, especially some Africa.

2. All OF THEM WANT TO GO W EUROPE, and are in hurry. if for example ask them 5 000 E to take them to Italy, they surely have it. the average (human smugglers) cost from Turkey to Belgium is about 15 000 per person.

3. ALL OF THEM LISTEN TO STRANGE NGOs or Strange mobile numbers, and not Officials of Greece or FRONTEX or UNHCR.
at the start of 2020 there were 400 'working' NGO's at Greece. after search, crosing Data with rest countries and UNHCR, Only 70 should had legal presentation,
that number today is 101. Yet something strange happens with mobile messages, for example the last 'Bye bye Moria' was send to hundrends of numbers before the Fire start.

4. The Moria camp was burned, by organised people,
The reason was COVID-19. 35 tests were positive, and DENY TO GO TO GUARANTINE.
no reason to expand on how fire started.

5. They occupy what ever they want, DEMANDING Greece ad EU to tranfer them to their destination countries.
and they act hostile to Authorities.

the video is from today, at 2:50 as you see they occupy the roof of a store, settle tents, and organise their bunker to throw stones to authorities,

after all this, I think the question of how much Human smugglers earn,
The possible connection of NGOs with Human smugglers,
even the possibility some NGO to be smugglers.

A sum of 5 000 E to the total of 15 000 are a lot of money for a person from South Africa or Afganistan etc to suffer all this.
and that sum is from Turkey to W Europe, consider how much could be from BanglaDesh to W Europe.


SO PLZ HELP ALL STOP HUMAN SMUGGLING and don't :innocent:

Btw,
they are all trained how to act infront a camera.
and !!! most have iphones

 

[Yetos]

To complete the above post, today 6 young Afgani's were arrested for setting the fires on camp.

1 is 20 years old
3 are 19 years old
2 are 17 years old

they had enter before years, so they pappers and allowed to travel and work in Greece,
in fact one of them manage to travel till Makedonia.
they travel from continental Greece, set the fires at Moria camp, and return to inner country.

Searches on their mobile phones and connection with other is not yet announced.
still from news leaking it is gonna be a bigger hunt all over Europe, especially a known NGO

possible connection with Taliban is not announced.

ALL MUST HELP to STOP HUMAN SMUGGLING.


there is an article about Moria here.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/09/...sh-supplied-guns-in-moria-barely-any-syrians/

 

[capita]

Contrasted with the United States, illegal immigration is a minor worry in Europe. As indicated by Pew, there are generally 10.5 million unlawful migrants in the United States starting at 2017. Different researches come to comparable numbers in spite of some contention with respect to assessment strategies. illegal immigrants were generally 3.2 percent of the around 326 million individuals living in the United States in 2017. Of the 22.6 million non‐​citizens presently living in the United States, around 47 percent are unlawful workers. Regardless of what you look like at it, EU-EFTA nations have a littler illicit outsider populace than the United States.


There are numerous reasons why many fewer illegal immigrants live in the EU-EFTA than the United States.. The first is geography. It's more hard for illegal immigrants to travel from poor countries to Europe illegally. Intersection the Mediterranean Sea is costly, troublesome, and dangerous. Truly, crossing the outskirt from Mexico into the United States was simpler. That is the reason around 23 percent of the illegal immigrants in Europe are from other European nations outside of the EU-EFTA like Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, and Kosovo. The expense for them to venture out to Europe is a ton lower than the expense for an Afghan, Iraqi, or Nigerian.


Another explanation is that the EU allows workers from poorer countries to work in wealthier EU countries legally. A larger supply of legal immigrant workers crowds out illegal immigrant workers. For instance, Luxembourg was the wealthiest EU country in 2017 with a per capita GDP, PPP of $107,641 in current international dollars. Workers from Bulgaria, which is the poorest EU country, have a crudely‐​estimates place premium of 5.1 if working in Luxembourg.

 

[Yetos]

HELP STOP HUMAN SMUGGLING


33 members of European NGO for immigrants and refuggees are arrested at Lesvos island in Greece
and 5 of them are facing accusations of spying since the quipment qnd the details found at their boat.
most members of EU.

one of these NGO already had took tenths of millions from EU programs and from EU countries,
but money were not enough, they needed more so they organise a trafficking network to earn more money.
it is known for years that some/many NGO are not for helping immigrants or refuggees but are traffickers and human soul smugglers,

members of an NGO were spying FRONTEX and Greek police, and give details on other traffickers, on how operations should be done,
they owned and used a boat for better helping illegal acts, even spying.
at a link bellow there is a video giving instructions to immigrants on how to pass illegaly the boarders

http://en.protothema.gr/greek-police-arrest-33-ngo-members-for-human-trafficking/

http://greeknewsondemand.com/2020/1...ing-network-arrests-dozens-of-ngo-operatives/

https://rmx.news/article/article/33...llegal-migrants-supporting-smuggling-networks


HELP STOP HUMAN SMUGGLING

 

[Galaxy Overlord]

LeBrok: Many countries react in various ways from compassionate, indifferent to paranoiac like Hungary.
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Claims from Hungary have since declined dramatically, after it was designated by Canada as one of the “safe countries” in late 2012 for expedited processing of claims. Last year, only 400 claims came from Hungary, according to the Immigration and Refugee Board.
“Even though Roma do not need a visa to come to Canada, they are kept out of the country. This is a form of discrimination, an example of racial profiling by the Canadian government,” said Gina Csanyi-Robah, the alliance’s co-founder and executive director.

For Hungarian Roma hoping to be accepted by Canada as refugees, the outcome is pretty much a crap shoot.

So who is paranoid?

I see statements like this in the forum all of the time. Gyms is clearly not familiar with the common phrase "correlation does not imply causation". He incorrectly assumed that Canada is choosing immigration through race based on the statistics.

But he does not realize that the Canada selects immigrants based on social standing and level of education achieved. We are not the US, the majority of our immigration is not family immigration. The Canadian government simply nitpicks the best of the best immigrant applicants from the country to accept in. All your statistics are demonstrating is that Hungary is systemically racist to its own Roma population, thereby causing them to have a lower social standing and average rate of post secondary education achievement, henceforth resulting in a lower acceptance rate into a nation that accepts based on these very qualities.

This will obviously then result in the statistics you posted as the average Hungarian is more likely to have these qualities. And judging by your misinterpretation of the statistics it looks like you wouldn't be getting accepted to Canada either lol. I get that his post is old but it needed correction IMO.

 

[real expert]

I see statements like this in the forum all of the time. Gyms is clearly not familiar with the common phrase "correlation does not imply causation". He incorrectly assumed that Canada is choosing immigration through race based on the statistics.

But he does not realize that the Canada selects immigrants based on social standing and level of education achieved. We are not the US, the majority of our immigration is not family immigration. The Canadian government simply nitpicks the best of the best immigrant applicants from the country to accept in. .

In Trudeau Canada, things are now a bit different. I have many contacts with all kinds of refugees, recent migrants. Therefore, I am familiar with the different background stories of the diverse immigrants. Some refugees from extremely underdeveloped third world or war-torn countries have relatives in Canada. They've told me that their relatives in Canada were Asylum seekers who after 3 years got their Canadian ********, P+ass+port. etc. I also heard some stories where Asylum seekers were flown to Canada from refugee camps in safe third States by human rights groups. These refugees were not highly educated at all. On the contrary, many used to live as Nomads, goat herders, or day laborers, and they were semi-illiterate or in some cases even illiterate(not their fault). So, there are many migrants that are low-skilled that can migrate to Canada without problems. That said, I also heard that even low-skilled ones in Canada have to find a job first and can't automatically get welfare. In Germany, it's different, migrants are entitled to unfunded welfare benefits. Actually, the very skilled and highly educated people from India or Africa, etc. prefer to migrate to the USA than to European countries with a strong welfare system. A strong welfare system does surely attract so-called economic refugees.

 

[Duarte]

What Europe should do with refugees crisis? I don’t know but what I see today is terrifying:

Friday, October 14, 2022. Border of Greece with Turkey. Rescue of 92 naked immigrants.

Greece and Turkey exchange barbs for rescue of 92 naked migrants.

All were men, among whom were children: Shame.

 

[Yetos]

What Europe should do with refugees crisis? I don’t know but what I see today is terrifying:

Friday, October 14, 2022. Border of Greece with Turkey. Rescue of 92 naked immigrants.

Greece and Turkey exchange barbs for rescue of 92 naked migrants.

All were men, among whom were children: Shame.

Do you know what happened here?

 

[bigsnake49]

Here's an observation. Like a lot of other places/countries Greece has or will have a population decline due to lower birth rate. On top of as the old people die off the villages and small towns are emptying out since the young people are moving to the cities. So who will work the fields. There are things that can be automated but other cannot. Some crops have to picked by hands. Do we import temporary workers? What happens when they do not want to leave? As the villages and small towns empty out do we then settle for the kind of corporate farming that is happening elsewhere?

 

[eupator]

Here's an observation. Like a lot of other places/countries Greece has or will have a population decline due to lower birth rate. On top of as the old people die off the villages and small towns are emptying out since the young people are moving to the cities. So who will work the fields. There are things that can be automated but other cannot. Some crops have to picked by hands. Do we import temporary workers? What happens when they do not want to leave? As the villages and small towns empty out do we then settle for the kind of corporate farming that is happening elsewhere?

The solution is to support increasing birth rates and provide state-led investment and other related measures to promote people returning to their periphery from the centre.

Migration is also a solution, but measures need to be taken to ensure the compatibility of the incoming population, an idea would be to focus on letting people in who are Christian Orthodoxes from former areas of the ERE (and elsewhere).

In the 90s, a lot of Pontics came to Thrace and Macedonia from the former Soviet Union and that was a very compatible population in the longterm, obviously nowhere near enough to reverse the demographic trends.

 

[td120]

What eupator said.
Importing immigrants "to pick up the crops" (per Nancy P.) , in this case very hostile to the religion and culture of the hosting country? Forget about it .

 

[Yetos]

hm GREEK?
Yes, oh No, Yes indeed, Oh No ..........

 

[Wanderer]

hm GREEK?
Yes, oh No, Yes indeed, Oh No ..........

Neither was heracles but they started claiming he was greek.