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Everything said was sarcastic.Cut it out, you two. Keep the conversation civilized, and get back on topic.
The Campaign to Exterminate Muslims
By Chris Hedges
April 19, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - The Israeli army’s wanton slaughter of unarmed Palestinians trapped behind the security barriers in Gaza evokes little outrage and condemnation within the United States because we have been indoctrinated into dehumanizing Muslims. Islam is condemned as barbaric and equated with terrorism. The resistance struggle against foreign occupation, whether in Afghanistan, Iraq or Gaza, sees Muslims demonized as the enemy. Muslims are branded as irrational and inclined to violence and terrorism by their religious beliefs. We attack them not for what they do but because we see them as being different from us. We must eradicate them to save ourselves. And thus we perpetuate the very hatred and counterviolence, or terrorism, that we fear.
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The Israeli massacre of Palestinians is a prelude to a dystopian, neocolonial world where global elites, hoarding wealth and controlling the mechanisms of power, increasingly resort to widespread bloodshed to keep the oppressed at bay. What Israel is doing to Palestinians—impoverished and trapped without adequate food, water and medicine in the open-air prison that is Gaza, a strip of land subject to repeated murderous assaults by the Israeli war machine—will be done to desperate climate refugees and citizens who rise up to protest the pillage by global oligarchs. Those who resist will be as dehumanized as Muslims. They too will be branded as terrorists. The global elites have a plan for the future. It is visible in the killing fields of Gaza.
What should Europeans do with illegal immigrants?
Migrants come from Europe too, Poland, for example. Now that Britain is out of the European Union, I don't know that the status of migrants has been worked out. I'm frankly surprised at the attitude toward Polish migrants among "native" Brits.
I first became aware of it when I was watching a panel discussion among women whom I could tell from other topics are typical British leftists. The conversation turned to a store policy by a large chain that employees were prohibited from answering questions in another language, and the example they gave was Polish. It's all very well and good to say immigrants have to learn the host country language, in this case English. However, the store directive seemed to be that a store employee serving someone who couldn't speak English couldn't help the person with the purchase in the person's native language even if they happened to know it. They'd forego the business over this? Then someone clarified that you could help them with the purchase if you happened to know the language but couldn't engage in further conversation in that language.
I was flabbergasted, to be honest, because all but one of the panelists thought that was perfectly ok.
Then I saw the following video. I don't get why they seem to be singling out Poles, unless it's just that there are more of them and they live near one another, so they're really visible.
Migrants come from Europe too, Poland, for example. Now that Britain is out of the European Union, I don't know that the status of migrants has been worked out. I'm frankly surprised at the attitude toward Polish migrants among "native" Brits.
I first became aware of it when I was watching a panel discussion among women whom I could tell from other topics are typical British leftists. The conversation turned to a store policy by a large chain that employees were prohibited from answering questions in another language, and the example they gave was Polish. It's all very well and good to say immigrants have to learn the host country language, in this case English. However, the store directive seemed to be that a store employee serving someone who couldn't speak English couldn't help the person with the purchase in the person's native language even if they happened to know it. They'd forego the business over this? Then someone clarified that you could help them with the purchase if you happened to know the language but couldn't engage in further conversation in that language.
I was flabbergasted, to be honest, because all but one of the panelists thought that was perfectly ok.
Then I saw the following video. I don't get why they seem to be singling out Poles, unless it's just that there are more of them and they live near one another, so they're really visible.
My wife is Ukrainian (outside of EU, "similar to Poles"), and there is a similar trend in Continental Europe. Bringing her to become a EU citizen (we are married, and we have a child born here) was an odyssey. The "legal process" is just a nightmare, I could write a book on it. It is extremely long, very expensive, it is not transparent (even hiring lawyers specialized on the issue, as I did; the whole process is based on arbitrariness left to civil servants), and designed to be extremely negative towards foreigners.
Instead, immigrants coming from other countries (generally, dominated by young males, of Muslim religion) have a free pass. They do not need to accomplish anything, the process is for free, fast, and they get resources (money, apartments) from the State.
I went to see these organizations that help this people, and I asked for the same, for my wife and my mother-in-law. I recall very vividly that all the people working there, they had a "rigidity moment" when they understood what I was asking: that a woman, white skin and non-brown eyes, of Orthodox religion, should have the same treatment and help than a man, dark skin, of Muslim religion. After a few seconds of not knowing what to say, they smiled and they left away from me, telling me politely to go away. This happened not only once, but a few times (I tried with several organizations).
I guess some social scientist could try to explain what is going on. Personally, I feel completely discriminated for the color of skin and origin of my wife, since I see people are treated differently (not by individuals, but by State representatives) depending on their origin and color of skin.
I lived in the UK, and my feeling here (but I could be wrong) is that it is OK to discriminate publicly people of white skin and Christian religion (Poles) but not people of dark skin and Muslim religion. As a consequence, people who are against immigrants in general, they speak badly about Polish, because this is OK in public opinion; instead, if they spoke badly of dark-skinned people, they would be boo-ed, and even maybe they could lose their jobs and go to jail.
In Europe, there is a clear discrimination, and this discrimination is towards poor citizens of Christian origin and white skin.
In my opinion, there should not be "illegal immigrants", all people should be allowed to immigrate. I find distressing that some people are not allowed to enter a country, for administrative reasons. Of course, there should be ways to check for compliance of these newcomers to the usual rules of behaviour to the country, and people who are not well adapted, in a clear and repetitive way, should be stopped from living in the country. But current regulations are not like this, on the contrary: compliance with rules is irrelevant, but instead, "privileged people" can enter when and how they want, and "not-privileged people" have all the problems in the world to come here.
that wasn't because she had "non-brown" eyes and didn't have "brown" skin, but probably because she asked for citizenship and not a simple residence permit or even asylum. you can't compare these things. citizenship is often tied to too many hurdles in europe.
But the key of the issue is that these organizations only allow you to start for the asylum process if you are a young male, of dark skin and Muslim religion (despite knowing 100% that it will be denied). If you are a woman of white skin and blue eyes, and Orthodox religion, do not even think that they will start this process for you. And this is what happened to us.
The answer is as follows: the Spanish law says that if an illegal immigrant is in the country for 3 years (and this can be proven, since despite being illegal, they can register themselves locally), they immediately get a residence permit, and a track for nationality, I think at 10 years.
Yes, it is just having lived in Spain for 3 years. I was also very surprised when I realized of that. In fact, an overwhelming majority of non-Europeans living in Spain followed that route (especially in recent times).
The truth that nobody tells in the media, but when you speak to people on the ground becomes obvious, is that this arbitrary 3-year rule is intended to force these immigrants to work in an illegal way for 3 years, i.e. giving cheap workers, with no job security at all, to (some) Spanish employers. I think this is monstrous.
And this leads to me to the hypothesis that in Europe we are targeting the type of immigrants we are targeting, not because we are good people and we want to help those most in need, but because we are trying to create a society of castes, whereby the "locals" will be in the upper caste, and the newcomers (distinguished by color of skin, religion, etc i.e. characteristics which are easily observable) will be in the lower "caste", without having any possibility to use the social escalator.
I think this is really horrible, and goes opposite to, for example, the way the US integrates newcomers.
Again, all this is not the fault of the newcomers, but of our political system, which is completely dysfunctional.
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