Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

[Garrick]

now you make humor right?

well these are your words





Now what turned you on when I said to your officer




tell us Laberia

who are these other Muslim countries?
ok Bosnia is One, But which are the Others?

now decide laberia
are you an atheist?
is Albania an Atheist country as you said?
or it is 'other muslim countries of Balkans'?

to take you serious me and others of the forum, you must decide,
and not bomb us with propaganda

PS
My country is like shit today, but

In Bosnia and Herzegovina is 48% Muslims (33% Orthodox Christians, 15% Catholic Christians and 4%: Christian protestants, Atheists and others).

Muslims by country in Balkans

Albania 70%

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Albania-RELIGIONS.html

Bosnia and Herzegovina 48%

Macedonia (ex YU) 33%

Montenegro 15%

Bulgaria 12%
...

If we watch Serbia without Kosovo it is 3% Muslims, including Kosovo about 19%, in Kosovo non recognized territory by United Nations live 94% Muslims (92% Muslim Albanians).

Croatia 1,5%.

I don't know how many Muslims live in Greece, probably 1%.
...

For Muslim countries which he mentioned, he probably thought about Albania, and maybe Kosovo. In Bosnia and Herzegovina Islam is not dominant religion, it is dominant in BH Federation where live 70% Muslims, but not in Republic of Srpska, in Republic of Srpska live 10% Muslims. Maybe he though about BH Federation (51% of territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina).

 

[Garrick]

Garrick

Think the your history like,

Albanians as Kurds,

Croatians as Greeks

Bosnians as Armenians

Serbs as Turks

Serbs are the only balkan nation who can improve emphaty with Turks.



Let's pass the imaginary story of winning freedom with own forces.



Erdogan is islamist. Did you learn it new? As we know how much lazy Christian Balkan nations for restoring Ottoman herritage which they have, Turkey is doing that job and that state orgatisation is TİKA and built/restore historical Ottoman buildings and built new things if that community need it such as idea of building Mosque in Cuba etc.

Even the buy reindeers for some Turkic people in Siberia also they are restoring church as well.
http://www.tika.gov.tr/en/news/tika_contributes_to_the_church_of_the_nativity's_restoration-21108

Here is Serbia
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/turkey-breathes-new-life-into-serbia-s-ottoman-relics

But AKP mosque love is in different level, they are rebuilting every single old mosque


This area was concert area in the summer

Thanks Erdogan, now he have another mosque which we need it.

You know, king Alexander and Kemal pasha Ataturk were friends.

I have nothing against secular Turkey. I have nothing against Islamic Turkey if Turkish nation embrace Islamic state and Sharia law. It is Turkish issue. But if Turkish nation again want to restore Ottoman empire in the Balkans and expanding Caliphate it is completely different story. 500 years under Ottomans is too long. For example Serbia in Middle age was developed as England and Scandinavian countries. Unfortunately countries can't choose conquerors.

If Erdogan really think to restore Caliphate including Balkans he should read Montenigrin prince-bishop, and poet and philosopher Petar Petrovic Njegos:

"Walnut in a shell is a curious fruit: you won’t break it but will break your teeth."

People of Montenego were very brave.
...

Why Thessaloniki and Rhodes island need mosques? It is much better that invesments flow into business or something useful.
...

Hastly recognition Serbian province of Kosovo by Turkey was mistake. You can now look at near, Caucasus, where there are a more self-proclamed territories as Kosovo, and where near Turkey is again war.
...

We don't know in which direction will flow restoration Ottoman. Erdogan has over 50% seats in Parliament. He is popular. We see that these days Turkey Parliament speaker Mr. Ismail Kahraman claimed: "Turkey, an overwhelmingly Muslim country, should have a constitution based on Islam rather than a secular constitution". Is it have connection with Ottoman agenda? But if you want again Sharia law and eliminating Ataturk secular state it is your thing.
...

And I promised you why Kurdish issue is different from Kosovo, or Abkhazia, or dozens self-proclamed territories.

Because Kurds are nation over 40 milion inhabitants. Kurds are the largest nation in the world without own state. Greater powers due their interests always bypassed to solve Kurdish issue. And it cannot be indefinitely. Among other reasons it is a question of justice Kurds have own state.

 

[Boreas]

You know, king Alexander and Kemal pasha Ataturk were friends.

I didn't know, but not a wierd thing

I have nothing against secular Turkey.

You have fallen love with an illusion. Of course Ottoman Empire was not following Copenhagen criteria. But as I posted it before Ottoman Empire gave the equal citizenship nearly same time with Aus-Hun Empire. Ottoman Empire behaved similary with other coeval Empires. Spain is Catholic but they also industrized lately as Ottomans. Maybe the reason is Ottoman Empire.

and Ataturk made things which can't be questionable with today's perspective.

After the Assyrians riot, they forced to go Iraq
Ataturk didn't use persuaded rooms for the Kurd's riots

Ataturk gave the right to women be as men. Turkey gave the voting right before France, thanks to him and first female army pilot was Turk. But she bombed Turkish cities in the command of Ataturk


Turks should accept Christian Heritage on their land and see how much feed Ottoman culture from Byzantine. Balkan nations should accept Ottoman as part of their heritage

Montenigrin prince-bishop, and poet and philosopher Petar Petrovic Njegos:

"Walnut in a shell is a curious fruit: you won’t break it but will break your teeth."

People of Montenego were very brave.

Albanians are also brave,

Maybe an Albanian friend can find English version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE4vcRHxnAg

After a rebuilt mosque openning (of course Turkey did), Erdogan have wantted something form Albanian authorities and in shortly, that Albanian guy is saying "thank for the mosque but we are not your vassal"

...
Why Thessaloniki and Rhodes island need mosques? It is much better that invesments flow into business or something useful.
...

They shoudn't suppose to be an active mosque. As we did, restorate it then use different purpose. This is cultural center, million times better then a glazing new design building

Do you prefer this???

Even now, Christians can come once, twice a year for holiday, and make a ceremony.

Shut up, take the Turks money and give those raze building to society :grin:

We don't know in which direction will flow restoration Ottoman. Erdogan has over 50% seats in Parliament. He is popular. We see that these days Turkey Parliament speaker Mr. Ismail Kahraman claimed: "Turkey, an overwhelmingly Muslim country, should have a constitution based on Islam rather than a secular constitution". Is it have connection with Ottoman agenda? But if you want again Sharia law and eliminating Ataturk secular state it is your thing.

I prefer to split.

And I promised you why Kurdish issue is different from Kosovo, or Abkhazia, or dozens self-proclamed territories.

Please explain. Why Montenegro can be a state but Kosovo not? Do you call Russia as hypocrite too? They didn't support Kosovo but support Abkhazia

Because Kurds are nation over 40 milion inhabitants. Kurds are the largest nation in the world without own state. Greater powers due their interests always bypassed to solve Kurdish issue. And it cannot be indefinitely. Among other reasons it is a question of justice Kurds have own state.

I didn't say, I am not supporting Kurdish state. Even I called my self micro-nationalist. My against the perspective of which praise the violence.

 

[Yetos]

just nothing, bad click

 

[Garrick]

I didn't know, but not a wierd thing

You have fallen love with an illusion. Of course Ottoman Empire was not following Copenhagen criteria. But as I posted it before Ottoman Empire gave the equal citizenship nearly same time with Aus-Hun Empire. Ottoman Empire behaved similary with other coeval Empires. Spain is Catholic but they also industrized lately as Ottomans. Maybe the reason is Ottoman Empire.

and Ataturk made things which can't be questionable with today's perspective.

After the Assyrians riot, they forced to go Iraq
Ataturk didn't use persuaded rooms for the Kurd's riots

Ataturk gave the right to women be as men. Turkey gave the voting right before France, thanks to him and first female army pilot was Turk. But she bombed Turkish cities in the command of Ataturk


Turks should accept Christian Heritage on their land and see how much feed Ottoman culture from Byzantine. Balkan nations should accept Ottoman as part of their heritage



Albanians are also brave,

Maybe an Albanian friend can find English version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE4vcRHxnAg

After a rebuilt mosque openning (of course Turkey did), Erdogan have wantted something form Albanian authorities and in shortly, that Albanian guy is saying "thank for the mosque but we are not your vassal"

They shoudn't suppose to be an active mosque. As we did, restorate it then use different purpose. This is cultural center, million times better then a glazing new design building

Do you prefer this???

Even now, Christians can come once, twice a year for holiday, and make a ceremony.

Shut up, take the Turks money and give those raze building to society

I prefer to split.



Please explain. Why Montenegro can be a state but Kosovo not? Do you call Russia as hypocrite too? They didn't support Kosovo but support Abkhazia



I didn't say, I am not supporting Kurdish state. Even I called my self micro-nationalist. My against the perspective of which praise the violence.

Very constructive discussion.

All what about you speak have link with Islamic supremacy, (consciously or unconsciously) and you know I have nothing against Islam, it is big religion and I always spoke about dialogue.

In last 100 years, in Turkey and wider ex Ottoman region, Balkans, Caucasus and Middle East (Islamic supremacy spreading).

Armenian Genocide in Turkey lasted from 1915 till 1923. Armenians were 2 million people in 1915, for eight years Armenian population in Turkey disappeared. According Armenian sources 1,5 million people perished.

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/genocide.html

Assyrian sources (Assyrian Christians) speak about 100,000 Assyrian victims.

After First World War was exodus of Greek nation from Turkey. Numerous ships were packed with Greek people, they could not receive all peoples who fled, and it is not known how many people were victims.

http://greek-genocide.net/index.php/bibliography/newspapers/162-9-dec-1922-the-expelled-greeks

Turkish invasion of Cyprus is newer story. Greeks were absolute majority of the whole island with over 80% population. And Turkish troops enter in island, captured of 40% of territory and realized ethnic cleaning. Republic of Northern Cyprus is one of self-proclaimed territories.

How much Turkey helped other movements and states. Southern of Turkey different Christian nations and communities are extinct. It is big civilization tragedy.

In the Caucasus Turkey always supported Muslim sides against Christians. And now in conflict between Azerbejan and Nagorno-Karabakh. It is your hypocrisy that Nagorno-Karabakh cannot have own state but Kosovo can.

In the Balkans Turkey supported Muslim Albanians and ethnic cleaning non-Muslims. And you're not right. Montenegro was republic in Yugoslav federation, and Montenegro could be own state, AP Kosovo and Metohija was Serbian province, not republic, and it could not be independent.

You have a lot of self-proclaimed territories after Kosovo, and what you do, Muslim self-proclaimed territories from Secular Christian/Atheist states can be own states but other self-proclaimed territories cannot be own states. It is Islamic supremacy.

According your logic if any territory has Muslim majority it should be own state. If someone can follow your logic every Muslim no-go zone in the world should be own state.

Of course we can discuss, this is very constructive, and I will point you where you make mistakes about Kurdish economy, you will surprise how Kurdish economy can be successful.

 

[Boreas]

All what about you speak have link with Islamic supremacy, (consciously or unconsciously) and you know I have nothing against Islam, it is big religion and I always spoke about dialogue.

I have no problem with Islam too, the religion section in my national ID is empty.

Armenian Genocide in Turkey lasted from 1915 till 1923. Armenians were 2 million people in 1915, for eight years Armenian population in Turkey disappeared. According Armenian sources 1,5 million people perished.
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/genocide.html

Assyrian sources (Assyrian Christians) speak about 100,000 Assyrian victims.

After First World War was exodus of Greek nation from Turkey. Numerous ships were packed with Greek people, they could not receive all peoples who fled, and it is not known how many people were victims.

http://greek-genocide.net/index.php/bibliography/newspapers/162-9-dec-1922-the-expelled-greeks

Have you ever read the book of first preminister of Armenia, I suggest you tu read. He is mentioning Armenian getting arming in 1914 autumn and Russian effects on it.

You know the Christians losts very well, do you know that Greece punished to pay war reparations after the war for what they did when Greek army marched to Ankara?

Balkans and Caucausia lost it's Muslim children, Anatolia lost Christian children.

Turkish invasion of Cyprus is newer story. Greeks were absolute majority of the whole island with over 80% population. And Turkish troops enter in island, captured of 40% of territory and realized ethnic cleaning. Republic of Northern Cyprus is one of self-proclaimed territories.

Study this subject my friend,

Greece was under the millitary regime and their tried to annex Island with using puppet Cyprus military coup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_Cypriot_coup_d'état

By the way in that Turkish goverment was leftist-socialist, so occupation was the last choice for Turkey.

How much Turkey helped other movements and states. Southern of Turkey different Christian nations and communities are extinct. It is big civilization tragedy.

In the Caucasus Turkey always supported Muslim sides against Christians. And now in conflict between Azerbejan and Nagorno-Karabakh. It is your hypocrisy that Nagorno-Karabakh cannot have own state but Kosovo can.

Same as Why Christians care Christians, more then Muslims. People should give up to that primitive protectionism which base that protect who is familiar to you.

Montenegro was republic in Yugoslav federation, and Montenegro could be own state, AP Kosovo and Metohija was Serbian province, not republic, and it could not be independent.

You have explained it just internal way. With this perspective I can say that Turkish laws don't give to right of Autonomy or separation chance so Kurds can't be independent. Same as Catalan situations in Spain.

Ethnic and lingustic Montenegrin are more similar with Serbs. They can be independent but not Kosovo

You have a lot of self-proclaimed territories after Kosovo, and what you do, Muslim self-proclaimed territories from Secular Christian/Atheist states can be own states but other self-proclaimed territories cannot be own states. It is Islamic supremacy.

What do you means by "You have a lot of self-proclaimed territories"

Sudan divived, East Timor become independent.

According your logic if any territory has Muslim majority it should be own state. If someone can follow your logic every Muslim no-go zone in the world should be own state.

We are talking about hypocrisy, so why should my logic be like that? I feel sorry now and I am thinking why you think like that.

Of course we can discuss, this is very constructive, and I will point you where you make mistakes about Kurdish economy, you will surprise how Kurdish economy can be successful.

Oops when did we talk about Kurdish Economy?

 

[LABERIA]

oh really? so when Albania is Atheist is also Greek?

or When Greek is religious Albania is searching ISLAM DEFENDER ERDOGAN the MIGHTY?
Oh I forgot, Albanians who were good and rich when Ottomans and never revolt to Turks, and served them as 'soldiers'


BUT YOU STILL AVOID TO ANSWER INFRONT OF FORUM



now you make humor right?

well these are your words





Now what turned you on when I said to your officer




tell us Laberia

who are these other Muslim countries?
ok Bosnia is One, But which are the Others?

now decide laberia
are you an atheist?
is Albania an Atheist country as you said?
or it is 'other muslim countries of Balkans'?

to take you serious me and others of the forum, you must decide,
and not bomb us with propaganda

PS
My country is like shit today, but

PS2
by making jokes do not think that5 people laugh or accept what you say,


PS3

I am not christian, neither Muslim,
so what ever religious link you post simply you make things worse to you,
you just feel guilty, colonel, not me, i am just a weak peasant,

I don`t consider normal that in a thread about Kurdistan, one member start to post in row copy paste against the Albanians. I have read many threads about Albania and Albanians in this forum. I don`t consider normal that a person at your age from many years now, together with other serb members like this Garrick, Ike, this new entry Milan and some others, are investing your time only in attacking the Albanians. You are trying to mix many topix here only to discreditate the Albanians. But this thread is about Kurdistan.
If you want, you and the other members mentioned by me are free to open a new thread and to tell us about the glory of your forefathers and about their wars against the Ottomans. But i dubt that anyone from you will open a thread about this. You know why? Because there is no glory in the history of your both country. If the Ottomans were succesfull in the occupation of Balcan the reason is to be found in the collaboration of the Orthodox with this invadors. Except the Orthodox Albanians and few isolated cases, in the Balcan the Orthodox Church and the orthodox in general were were the best ally of the Ottomans. The only nation who fought against the Ottomans in the Balcan, from the begining until the end were the Albanians, all Albanians, Catholic, Orthodox and Muslims latter. And because it was this war of the Albanians who stopped the Ottoman invasion of Italy and the Europe. And in this war we were betrayed by our Orthodox "brethren" from Balcan and many times we were abbandoned from the West in this war. So i doubt that you can find glory in your history. On the contrary, there are many shamefull moments in your history. The orthtodox church, like a parasit,left the already dead body of the Byzantine Empire and the small Serbian principalities and passed into the body of this new, powerful and rising Empire, the Ottoman Empire. In this way the Church can continue its struggle against Catholicism and Western Europe.
You want to describe the Albanians as islamic terrorist. You both forget a couple of important facts. In the year 1999 Serbia was attacked by West because Serbia was and is an antiwestern country and a serv of Russia. This is historical fact. Of course this was not the only reason, but was the principal reason.
About you greeks, i told in an another post that your country bears the primary responsibility for this invasion of Europe by this extraordinary influx of refugees from East and Islamic terrorists. The reason it`s not because your country is a shit as you said in one of your posts. No. The reason is that your country intentionally, first blackmailed Europe and latter implemented this shameful plan. There are documents. Now, you can continue to say here that you personally are not an Orthodox and Garrick is a pro-Western. But this can be true as can be true that you are not troolls here.

P.S.
Can i ask you what is this idiot things of calling me colonel?

 

[Yetos]

@ Boreas

Kemal was smart cause he and Benizelos made exchange,
Benizelos caught stupid, cause he trusted some idiot generals,

I will pass further,
that was a smart move,

much later Inonou or Menteresh, do not remember correct, was also smart,
cause he catch the days of Greece-Cyprus-UK diplomatic relations, and attack the Greek minority,
something that did not happened on the other side,
after 1973, and kissinger's times part of Cyprus was given gift to Turkey,
but Erdogan is an idiot,

and remember
both at Armenian Genocide, as also Pontic-Greek genocide Turkey had a best friend to do her job,
.
Now every day at Aegean sea happen strange things, and you know it,
it does not need a lot to start a fire,
it is not coinsidence that NATO brought power here, and the excuse of collecting immigrants is just for laughs,

As for the ottoman inheritage in Balkans, and the Greeco-Roman (byzantine) at minor Asia,
come on, search the 1920s treaties,
no monsque except Thrace,
no church except the ones who are written there, Imbros Tenedos Chalke/prigkipos and few other,

let me inform you that I have relatives at the Asian part near Proussa (Bursa) from a far-far ancestor, he was taken as yenicharie,
and many modern Greeks descent from Pontic Greeks, Zeybecks, Karahman, Myrsina, Smyrna,
and all families lost members, not at war, but at exchange, or at working 'camps' amele tamburlu, not at a war.
Enver Pasha directive 8682. september of 1943. later at 1950's and at 1974 with yarkitay desiscion.
and all these families have to say a good word, about a Turk who helped them, or hide them, etc


but I learn to respect my enemy, and honour him,
although many modern Greeks do not,
same many modern Turks,
so I wonder, when you say ottoman inheritage at Balkans you mean what?
the religious part? the govermental?
let me remind you that still in Greek language you find the words Rusfet, bahtsis, etc?

well to give honour, I have to admit
that until 1980-1990 most of the railway was build by Ottomans,
and ottoman state had land registry as we say in N Greece tapi, kitap, that even at 2016 we pushed it, but did not finish it,
so yes after 1850 ottoman state was indeed progressive,
but many balkan countries already revolt years before,
so the progressive Sultan firman of 1855 if remember correct was already late,

and to finish,
at his biggest glory, Suleigman the magnificent had 2 persons beside him
Impahim pasha, and Hayrettin Barbarossa, when he killed the first,etc etc, and brought (Sunni) Kati (high judges if remember correct) only missery find him,
as a Turk, I think you understand correct what I am saying.

 

[Boreas]

@ Boreas
Kemal was smart cause he and Benizelos made exchange,

I have doubts about it like case of karamanidis

much later Inonou or Menteresh, do not remember correct, was also smart,
cause he catch the days of Greece-Cyprus-UK diplomatic relations, and attack the Greek minority,
something that did not happened on the other side,
after 1973, and kissinger's times part of Cyprus was given gift to Turkey,
but Erdogan is an idiot,

I guess you mean Menderes and 6-7 september pogrom. He judged and was punished by death. If the people in Cyprus could do it... oh but they didn't

and remember
both at Armenian Genocide, as also Pontic-Greek genocide Turkey had a best friend to do her job,

Let skip this theather part, my firend.

Now every day at Aegean sea happen strange things, and you know it,
it does not need a lot to start a fire,
it is not coinsidence that NATO brought power here, and the excuse of collecting immigrants is just for laughs,

Sorry My friend but I don't know what do you mean. Refugees or Aegean are not in top five in Turkey at least now. I am a little bit far from Aegean case as most of Turks, now. ISIS attacks to Turkish border cities, Kurdish bomb attacks, Erdoğan(president) and Davutoğlu(Turkish priminister) political fight...

As for the ottoman inheritage in Balkans, and the Greeco-Roman (byzantine) at minor Asia,
come on, search the 1920s treaties,
no monsque except Thrace,
no church except the ones who are written there, Imbros Tenedos Chalke/prigkipos and few other,

Which time are you living in? Oh because of that agreement Athens is the only capital of Europe where doesn't have any mosque. That makes sense

I don't know any Greek Church, but I know other churches which was built in different part of Turkey

let me inform you that I have relatives at the Asian part near Proussa (Bursa) from a far-far ancestor, he was taken as yenicharie,
and many modern Greeks descent from Pontic Greeks, Zeybecks, Karahman, Myrsina, Smyrna,

While Greeks had these things, my relative from Greece and Bulgaria migrated to Turkey in convoy which was ruled by Dionysos. They drunk wine and enjoied a lot.

but I learn to respect my enemy, and honour him,

It sound like it is coming from mediveal age :grin:

Who is your ENEMY?

so I wonder, when you say ottoman inheritage at Balkans you mean what?
the religious part? the govermental?

Everything like I find Ottoman Classic Music in this Byzantine music. I mean Ottoman music is an another separated branch of Byzantine Music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da9FeNoFIm0&list=PLgehrqdmnt7sVot-RkY9BOuEQUVM6bcrC

let me remind you that still in Greek language you find the words Rusfet, bahtsis, etc?

Let me teach you, Rusfet is Arabic origion word and bahtsis is Persian,

so don't try these Byzantine Games

well to give honour, I have to admit
that until 1980-1990 most of the railway was build by Ottomans,
and ottoman state had land registry as we say in N Greece tapi, kitap, that even at 2016 we pushed it, but did not finish it,
so yes after 1850 ottoman state was indeed progressive,
but many balkan countries already revolt years before,
so the progressive Sultan firman of 1855 if remember correct was already late,

Thank you to admit it.

 

[Yetos]

No Boreas
I am not talking about the refuggees
that is not the only thing happens at Aegean sea

I am talking about these situation,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWDitH6hRx8

and if you did not realise the voice documents
then you can see it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxrf0qJAC1Y

this is not an airplane show,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cFHQTRm7bE

oh the dates?
april may 2016

and do you really know why Erdogan dismiss Davutoglu?

well surely one of them is deli,

and not even think that I am afraid,
the oposite, I am waiting,

 

[Boreas]

No Boreas
I am not talking about the refuggees
that is not the only thing happens at Aegean sea

I am talking about these situation,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWDitH6hRx8

and if you did not realise the voice documents
then you can see it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxrf0qJAC1Y

this is not an airplane show,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cFHQTRm7bE

oh the dates?
april may 2016

Even the issue is not refugees. It is just a border issue. It isn't in top five, even not top ten.

But about this case;

I suppose, in the time of Ataturk it was just 3 nm,

6nm 10nm 12nm

and do you really know why Erdogan dismiss Davutoglu?

Erdoğan is waiting absolate obedience

and not even think that I am afraid,
the oposite, I am waiting,

You are waiting for what? An advice for you, read or watch Zorba again and learn how awful war is.

 

[Yetos]

Even the issue is not refugees. It is just a border issue. It isn't in top five, even not top ten.

But about this case;

I suppose, in the time of Ataturk it was just 3 nm,

6nm 10nm 12nm

Erdoğan is waiting absolate obedience



You are waiting for what? An advice for you, read or watch Zorba again and learn how awful war is.

so I see you are informed,
that you know the casus beli,
and the international law about sea borders,
Thank you

 

[Goga]

Ooh la la, this is what our true Aryan PKK guerrilla freedom warriors have (SAM). This is huge. PKK has got all it need to defeat EVERY intruder in Northern Kurdistan.

No enemy flying object is save in Northern Kurdistan from now on. I'm pleased to see how Turkey and its American and Western allies will react to it!

I've always been telling that America is the enemy of Great Kurdistan and a Aryan Kurdish race of the Mitanni, Kassites and Medes. America is playing with fire (KURDISH fire). And America will lose everything in the Middle East & East Europe. This is all what I've to say. Thank you Donetsk, Donbass!


Kurdish PKK shoot down a Turkish AH-1 Cobra Helicopter in southeast Turkey

 

[Goga]

Mitanni Šauštatar's royal seal.

original Mitanni source:

And now the ancient Ezdi seal from Lalish:

From the original Ezdi source in Lalish:

 

[Goga]

Ooh la la, this is what our true Aryan PKK guerrilla freedom warriors have (SAM). This is huge. PKK has got all it need to defeat EVERY intruder in Northern Kurdistan.

No enemy flying object is save in Northern Kurdistan from now on. I'm pleased to see how Turkey and its American and Western allies will react to it!

I've always been telling that America is the enemy of Great Kurdistan and a Aryan Kurdish race of the Mitanni, Kassites and Medes. America is playing with fire (KURDISH fire). And America will lose everything in the Middle East & East Europe. This is all what I've to say. Thank you Donetsk, Donbass!


Kurdish PKK shoot down a Turkish AH-1 Cobra Helicopter in southeast Turkey

I don't know why this video is down, but same video on YouTube is not down. You can search it on YouTube


" Kurdish militants challenge Turkish airpower with weapons acquisition "

http://triblive.com/usworld/world/10470047-74/turkish-turkey-kurdish



If you don't like YouTube there is also the same video posted on dailystar.co.uk. Btw, Kurds are saying that 8 Turkish Muslim terrorists were sent straight to Allah, and not 2 as this article claims.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ssia-PKK-Kurds-MANPADS-Syria-Iraq-Middle-East

 

[Yetos]

You are waiting for what? An advice for you, read or watch Zorba again and learn how awful war is.

Act of war?

BEYAZ FIRTINA

NOTAM Α2203/16

NOTAM A1035/16

that is what I am waiting,
the stupidity of modern Turkey,

THAT IS ABOVE AREAS WHICH ARE HABBITED,
and blocks both National and international air corridors.

 

[Angela]

Interesting new New York Times Magazine piece on the issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/m...ades-of-turkeys-hidden-war.html?smid=tw-share

 

[LeBrok]

Good article Angela.

Seems like American administration worries about further Near East conflict, notably Turkey against Kurds:

American Special Operations troops now arm, equip and advise these Kurdish fighters, even as Turkey shells their bases farther west — and pays Islamist militias to attack them. As the war in Turkey grinds on, the United States is confronting a perilous sideshow that has begun to drain the energy and attention of the two allies it needs most. If it continues to spread, it could be worse than a distraction. As one Obama administration official put it to me: “Post-Paris, post-Brussels, we have to clear ISIS out. If it turns out that the coalition can’t operate in that space” — because of Turkey’s conflict with the Kurds — “then we have a serious problem.”

This is interesting:

The rebels I spoke to claimed to be the voice of a colonized and dispossessed people. But after nine months of war, many middle-class Turkish Kurds say the P.K.K.’s decision to take on the state was madness. In Diyarbakir’s historic Sur district, the fighting has destroyed a shopping and small-business hub that was the heart of the city’s economy. Thousands of jobs have been lost, and investors who flocked to the city during the cease-fire — when new hotels were being built — have fled. Even in Cizre and other bastions of P.K.K. support, many people quietly admit that they blame the insurgents.

How lack of equality, inclusiveness and justice can lead to radicalization of youth:

She had not planned to join the organization herself, but as a university student in western Turkey, she grew resentful that the university authorities treated her and other Kurds as potential criminals. She began reading Ocalan’s writings, and his ideas — especially about women’s empowerment — won her over.

Erdogan acting as typical neurotic dictator:

Erdogan’s visit to Washington in late March did nothing to address these tensions. The visit was for nuclear-security talks, but Erdogan reportedly lashed out angrily at American policy during an off-the-record dinner with former government officials and academics, and complained repeatedly about the American refusal to treat the P.Y.D. as a terrorist group. During a public speech at the Brookings Institution, his security guards got into a nasty melee outside the building, shoving and shouting at journalists, protesters and Brookings personnel. The guards ordered a prominent Turkish journalist, Amberin Zaman, to leave, calling her a “P.K.K. whore”

 

[LeBrok]

In meantime Iraqi forces are trying to liberate Fallujah:
http://www.iraqinews.com/

While Kurds lead assault on Raqqa:
http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/24052016

 

[Tomenable]

Today Yazidi girls cost between 15 dollars and 300+ dollars at ISIS slave market:

(See 8:55 - 9:05): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1r0s2mw1k#t=8m55s

One terrorist says that blue-eyed Yazidis are more expensive than brown-eyed.