Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

[LABERIA]

Indeed very futuristic look, almost like a flipped boat, swimming upside down.
Even the crew are not typical ragged and tough sailors but mostly computer geeks.

Yes, but seems that Yetos like a specialised person, don't like this ship. I don't know why he became nervous, i didn't said nothing about Greece and Greeks this time.

 

[LeBrok]

Yes, but seems that Yetos like a specialised person, don't like this ship. I don't know why he became nervous, i didn't said nothing about Greece and Greeks this time.

According to his conspiracy theories USA is one of the worse evil on earth. Everything coming from them must be bad and will serve colonising and enslaving the world.

 

[Yetos]

Yes, but seems that Yetos like a specialised person, don't like this ship. I don't know why he became nervous, i didn't said nothing about Greece and Greeks this time.

cause when someone is showing the moon to you,
you just see his finger,

Anyway,

and this was a fantastic plane

only its life at action was not even 20 years,
fully created at 1989
retired at 2008,
his replacement 'raptor' retired before even had a fight, a toital failure, but advertisement to full,

so much $ money just for futuristic design,
pitty,
they could have cure SIDA with that money, and gain real glory,
than a fake advertised one,



and when someone points the moon,
we do not watch his finger.


Anyway,
I hope you guys do not want to see who is better,
USA or Russia,
cause it will be the end,
I hope you just want a fair and vital treaty there,

 

[LABERIA]

cause when someone is showing the moon to you,
you just see his finger,

Anyway,

and this was a fantastic plane

only its life at action was not even 20 years,
fully created at 1989
retired at 2008,
his replacement 'raptor' retired before even had a fight, a toital failure, but advertisement to full,

so much $ money just for futuristic design,
pitty,
they could have cure SIDA with that money, and gain real glory,
than a fake advertised one,



and when someone points the moon,
we do not watch his finger.

About the story of the finger you are right because i have difficulty to understand your posts. You are some kind of magicians.

 

[LABERIA]

According to his conspiracy theories USA is one of the worse evil on earth. Everything coming from them must be bad and will serve colonising and enslaving the world.

But USA is our ally. Greece is in NATO, right?

 

[LeBrok]

But USA is our ally. Greece is in NATO, right?

One would think so.

 

[Yetos]

But USA is our ally. Greece is in NATO, right?

I think you missunderstood NATO,
NATO is a Defencive coaltion, and created after WW2, so to create a coalition to defend against any USSR offensive action,

and NATO has 2 faces,
It happened to work for 1, the humanitarian one,
the one that designs bridges, roads airports powerplants hospitals etc,
the other face is trully military,

Now NATO treaties and agreements are Strange,
for example at 1974 and Cyprus,
a possible war among Greece and Turkey that time is out of NATO business,
cause NATO has no right to defend one or another of its members when they have war,

that is why although Greece was from the first NATO members, left NATO at 1974,
cause interfear to our inner policy, as dictatorship,
but reenters NATO political part quickly, but not at military part which happened decades after,
so as you see NATO also is divided to political and military part,
someone can be political members, but not military one,
NATO also is using standard weapon and forces,
for example in my country there are brigades that are according NATO standards, and ready to work-cooperate with rest NATO forces,
but there are also brigades outside of NATO stantards to defend the country from a possible NATO member attack.

NATO has also a secret face, the attacking one,
which finds me negative,
cause the goal of NATO is the reason that was created,
to defend any member from ex-communist attack, like in Korea, or today from any Russian or Chinese attack,
but in NATO treaties, war among its members is possible, and in this case the rest countries must stay neutral.

so about Greece,
Yes it is an ally of NATO, as concerns the defencive subjects of the alliance,
but also has army outside NATO as concerns the defencive subjects from an ally,
and the offcial dogma is no participation to offencive acts of NATO,

do I cover you?

it is like Denmark or England and EU,
England is a EU member, but a Eurozone member, at least until today
and Denmark is mostly at EC times than to Fiscal EU of today,

to make clear my shelf,
if for example S Korea attacks N Korea,
Greece is not obliged to send troops.
but if N Korea attacks S Korea,
Greece is obliged to send forces,
and if for example a war among, lets say Portugal and Spain happens,
Greece must stay neutral.


That is the Basical dogma of NATO,
and not to serve USA,
it gives freedom to act, or stay neutral,
but also obligations,

NATO is not USA,
for example if Russia attacks Czechia or Polish republic, NATO members are obliged to send forces and help,
but if USA wants to sent troops or tanks there, at peace time, members are not forced to do such,
it is a defencive alliance, not an offencive,

to understand NATO
search the Cyprus 1974 case
and the Falkland war at 1982

and there might be a new NATO political problem at Syrria these days,
for example how the alliance should act if Russians shot down Turkish airplanes,
or the oposite Turks shot down Russian planes, in a land outside NATO orders as it is today Syrria.

for example shooting a Russian plane at Syrria, can be an attacking act of a NATO member?
or shooting down a Turkish plane above Syrria, not inside Turkish borders, can be considered as an attack against a NATO country?
the above questions are the political/diplomatic part of NATO,
and are not to be solved by me and you,
so do not bother to answer,
they are just retorical questions to make you think,
we can not solve them, and is not our busineess to do so.

 

[Yetos]

@ Laberia

and since you are in LOVE with USA
see this


USS Mount Whitney,
a reliable ship, not a futuristic crap

it is already at Pireus (Porto Leone) and will go at East mediterenean soon,

as you see not only Russia, but USA is sending strong forces outside Syrria and Turkey to.

Mt Whitney is a ship specialized at telecomunications and electronic war,
and is the admiral's ship of 6th fleet,

also lately came the USS Mason at Piraus

also USS WASP
is already at Crete,

all these they going to create a battle power when unite with this

USS Harry Truman,


so these 4 ships are certainly in 6th fleet and will go outside Syrria to,

 

[LABERIA]

@ Laberia

and since you are in LOVE with USA
see this


USS Mount Whitney,
a reliable ship, not a futuristic crap

it is already at Pireus (Porto Leone) and will go at East mediterenean soon,

as you see not only Russia, but USA is sending strong forces outside Syrria and Turkey to.

Mt Whitney is a ship specialized at telecomunications and electronic war,
and is the admiral's ship of 6th fleet,

also lately came the USS Mason at Piraus

also USS WASP
is already at Crete,

all these they going to create a battle power when unite with this

USS Harry Truman,


so these 4 ships are certainly in 6th fleet and will go outside Syrria to,

Yetos, i don't see smoke.

 

[Yetos]

Yetos, i don't see smoke.

yup

but you see rust, :grin:

besides can be usefull.
it covers the area and makes vision difficult,

anyway,
gathering of smoke and rust, is not agood thing,

 

[LABERIA]

yup

but you see rust, :grin:

besides can be usefull.
it covers the area and makes vision difficult,

anyway,
gathering of smoke and rust, is not agood thing,

The rust? Yetos, what kind of engineer are you? If you are an forest engineer, let me remember that in our days there are no more ships made with woods.

 

[Yetos]

The rust? Yetos, what kind of engineer are you? If you are an forest engineer, let me remember that in our days there are no more ships made with woods.

haha,
at 2016 rust at a ship means bad condition, and bad programed services,

there many acrylic or 2 material mix paints etc, so not to have rust,
If you paint them with paints you use to paint your wall,
then surely rust will appear,

try the paint I use to my fence
12 years and no rust has been found,

 

[LABERIA]

haha,
at 2016 rust at a ship means bad condition, and bad programed services,

there many acrylic or 2 material mix paints etc, so not to have rust,
If you paint them with paints you use to paint your wall,
then surely rust will appear,

try the paint I use to my fence
12 years and no rust has been found,

Yetos, the rust is the main enemy of a ship. You can't do nothing against it. They clean the ship using metal brushes, sandpaper, etc. They use special paints etc. Especially the water of the sea is very corrosive.

 

[Yetos]

Come on
at what century do you live?

metal brushes? and sand pappers,
what? the captain has 1 hand and 1 Hook?
Call the KRAKEN!!!! oups it ate captain's leg!!!

Do not want to advertise,
but at 2016, things are more easy,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTryzMZyoOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf1pkzmd2qk

 

[LABERIA]

Come on
at what century do you live?

metal brushes? and sand pappers,
what? the captain has 1 hand and 1 Hook?
Call the KRAKEN!!!! oups it ate captain's leg!!!

Do not want to advertise,
but at 2016, things are more easy,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTryzMZyoOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf1pkzmd2qk

Hahahahahaha. Yetos, my English is not my strong point, also i like things hand made.

 

[LABERIA]

Come on at what century do you live? metal brushes? and sand pappers, what? the captain has 1 hand and 1 Hook? Call the KRAKEN!!!! oups it ate captain's leg!!! Do not want to advertise, but at 2016, things are more easy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTryzMZyoOc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf1pkzmd2qk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1eYHKAzKBw

 

[Yetos]

ok

but I still prefer Soda blasters and glass blasters for metals,
and Αζωτουχα αλατα. nitrum salts at paints, for has the ability to hold electrons
and cover of acrylic, or elecrostastic paint
but acrylic is too expensive,,
sand blastic is accused for enviromental effects, silikosis of water, sicic acid,

remember there are some simple paints, that can do fine job with metals at water,


PS,
why do you think they gather such force there both USA and Russia?

 

[Yetos]

I said something big is about to happen at Syria,

But I did not expect this!!!!

HPD member Ziya Pir (kurdish party at Turkey) is demanding Greek Islands !!!!

Gush!!!!

even Οινουσες the island of Aristotelis Onasis,

madness

 

[LABERIA]

I said something big is about to happen at Syria,

But I did not expect this!!!!

HPD member Ziya Pir (kurdish party) is demanding Greek Islands !!!!

Gush!!!!

even Οινουσες the island of Aristotelis Onasis,

What???? What islands Yetos?

 

[LeBrok]

I said something big is about to happen at Syria,

But I did not expect this!!!!

HPD member Ziya Pir (kurdish party at Turkey) is demanding Greek Islands !!!!

Gush!!!!

even Οινουσες the island of Aristotelis Onasis,

madness

For god sake, you have thousands and thousands of Island, give them couple. Don't be selfish.