J2b1-M205 introduced to Eupedia

I2a1 is almost non existant in poles and north slavs you utter clown, they have i1 and R1b and triple r1a over Serbs. That's why poles can be blonde, they have a lot of northern European genes (i1 and R1b), Serbs have very little. Albanians have more blondes than Serbs by ratio

Starcevo had a lot of I2a1 and inhabited the area that Serbs do today this is why South slavs have this and others above do not, learn your history


So you are saying now that Serbian I2a1 is almost non existent in Polish and Ukraine people ? Also you say that Serbian I2a1 is from Starcevo and that they are present in Balkan since Neolithic and its not Slavic arrival?

So that is reason why there is more I2a1 in Serbia and Balkan then in Poland and Ukraine by percentage ????
Answer to me where did you get that Starcevo had a lot of I2a1, you lying little worm. You are some I2a1 Serb, we already had Serbs pretending that they are Albanian, you are not the first. Everyone knows me and they know i am not fake while you are 100 % fake and most of Albanians told you that you are Serb.
Starcevo had a lot of I2a1 and this is reason why Serbs have it, and i should learn my history ?

This imbecile is some I2a1 Serb trölling entire time....



Also this moron send me some messages in Albanian language in private, its clear that idiot is using google translator lol. He cant formulate one normal sentence.
 
Is it possible that moderators clean this thread of this imbecile trash. Also all posts where he insults other nations, religions and where he makes racist insults towards others.

I mean this is not thread for this shit and this guy is obviously not Albanian since no one knows him and he is not part of Albanian DNA project.


He is fake person trölling entire time, please just read what this imbecile writes
 
Yes, there needs to be done something
 
You are 100 % I2a1 Serb. All this crap about blond Albanians and Illyrian I1 and I2a1 and praising of communism while hating Albanian Muslims pretty much tells everything about you.
I dont hate Skenderbeg, i dont hate anyone. I dont have reason to hate anyone. Skenderbeg is irrelevant to me.
In this thread many pages back you can read Serb guy "Bachus" saying all same things like you about Northern blond Serbs, praising I1 and I2 haplogroup and blond people and all same things.
You are same as this Bachus just Albanian version.
I2a1 has highest diversity in Poland and Ukraine, There is probably more I2a1-CTS10228 Russians then all Balkan I2a together, no matter that it goes 60 % in Balkan. Russia is very big and with small percentages they can achieve high numbers. Your argument that Poles are blond because of German influence is too stupid.
Serbian I2a-CTS10228 has nothing with Starcevo I2a. And why are you lying that Starcevo had a lot of I2a1. There was maybe one sample and it could be Sardinian I2a1 not CTS10228 for sure. Where do you get these lies ???
He was half Serb half Albanian, while you are fully Serb.
Their Slavo-Serbic names didnt fall from the sky. They got these names because of their Serb mother. No matter the exhibitions you pull your mini God was half-Serb : D
Albanian R1b is not Celtic where did you pull this out? xD also Albanian I1 is in most cases very modern, like Norman or so...
Not really,
-J2b2-PH1602 is none existed among Albanians but its found in Serbs and its closer to Illyrian ancient sample in Dalmatia then any Albanian is.
-E-v13 splits into two major clades CTS5856 and PH1204, Albanians are mostly CTS5856, while we find PH1204 in Serbs and Montenegrins because of Vasojevici clan which has probably Albanian origin but since its slavicised in Montenegro this haplogroup cannot be find among Albanians. We have only one sample falling in this haplogroup.
-Then R1b-Z2705* Serb samples that cant be find in Albanians clades.
You dont know what bottleneck is.
So i just gave you proofs and examples of main 3 Albanian haplogroups and how they were probably Illyrian but dont exist among Albanians today but we find them in Montenegrin Slavs and Serbs.
So similar like J2-M205, just J2-M205 Serbs have only in one subclade that they assimilated in Monenegro, while Albanians have in multiple subclades because its old in Albanians.

You thick turd, you carry a middle eastern and Serb haplogroup and are annoying albanians. Of course Kastrioti is irrelevant to you because you aren't albanian, just some jevg on the internet. I just gave you proof with Arianiti that vojsava was a common albanian girl name at the time, he had an Albanian and Italian wife, not Serb. This argument is already over, I won. By you shit logic names cannot be influenced by other people yet why do your ugly ass family have osman arab names? Or do you confirm that you are a turk?

I2a1 has nothing to do with blonde, i1, i2a2, some r1b does. I2a1 is almost non existant in North slavs you stupid shit, Serbs typically look like mitrovic. They don't look like poles who have 3x r1a and more German dna
J2b2-PH1602 has never been confirmed to be ilyrian

Also for defending osmans, the worst thing to ever happen in the balkans and albania:
"In an interview by the Daily Telegraph in 1928, King Zog declared that “we are centuries behind Europe in civilization… It is my determination to civilize my people and make them as far as possible adopt Western habits and customs” (cited in Fischer, 1995 : 22). During his rule, Albania adopted the civil, penal and commerce legal codes of European countries, a central bank was established, a land reform was attempted, many public works were accomplished throughout the country a system of primary and secondary schools covered nearly all the country, foreign instructors were brought in to train a modern army, and efforts were made to change the traditional ways of living and to introduce Western modernity in education and cultural spheres.
Nevertheless, the costs of these reforms made Zog more and more dependent on Italy. He thought that he could take the Italian money and use it to strengthen the Albanian economy, in order to create a national unity that would deny the Italians the political control of the country (ibid. : 37). This policy succeeded until 1939, when Mussolini decided to invade the country. Despite the many failures, the regime of Zog provided Albania with a central government, the contours of a modern state, and unity for enough time to establish a strong national identification among the cultural elite, as this is demonstrated by the lively intellectual debates on the development of the country."

You can't understand my messages because you dont understand albanian and use translator to convert it, also you messaged me first you ugly rape victim. Now get back on your knees and pray to that arab pervert you fake Internet wannabe albanian
 
Look the crap this moron writes.....

Why are you copy pasting irrelevant stupidity from internet now, and not answering what i asked? Reply rather how is Serb I2a1 not from Poland and Ukraine, and where you seen many I2a1 examples in Starcevo culture that you are connecting with Serbian I2a1?


Why is so important for you to represent Albanians as blond people and I1 and I2a1 as Illyrian and even older Starcevo culture ?

Like 5 Albanians told you that you are Serb... So far... Do you want me to quote all Albanians that told you that you are Serb there is at least 4 or 5 of them?

I am not using google translator for your Albanian but i see that you used google translator because only google formulates sentence like that. Also you were addressing me in plural.
Also you could not understand my Albanian because i have written on purpose so google translator cant help you.

This scumbag says he cares about Albanian language while he does not speak Albanian language. Also most Albanian told him that he is Serb and no one knows him and he is not in Albanian DNA project.


Eupedia moderators why is this trash being allowed
 



You are insulting other people look all the time calling them jevegs and so on, while you dont dare to show your photo.
Guy with nicknames "Shpataemadhe" meaning big sword, and Kastriotiblood, is afraid to test. And is afraid to show his own photo and is afraid to show his family photo.


My parents look ultra Albanian and i have earliest photo from my family from years 1950s. They all look ultra Albanian. I show my family and my foto 100x on forums because i dont have complexes. You are insulting other people by look while you have a brain of a size of peanut. If you are so brave to insult other people haplogroups and looks then why are you afraid to test and to show your own foto or your family.

Because its you who is Jewg and fake Albanian. That is the reason. Pathetic guy. Show photo if you have balls like to throw insults online, classic pussy boy.
 

You’ve been reported several times. It’s likely matter of time before you are permanently banned. Then you’ll likely create another sock puppet account to annoy everyone with the lack of understanding in genetics you clearly demonstrate daily since your joining.

I don’t have the time to address every single point of ignorance you spewed about haplogroups. However on the matter of I2a1, you really know nothing. You demonstrate how much of nothing you know by the simple fact that you can’t distinguish between ancient I2a1(some 30000 years old) and modern I2a1b-Y3120( a subclade whose descendants all go back to only one man between 100BC-100AD).

furthermore, Y3120 makes up nearly 100 percent of all modern I2a1 cases in the Balkans and entirety of Eastern Europe. Additionally, Y3120 has far more diversity in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia than its does in Soithern Slavs. It is diversity, not frequency, that indicated likeliness of origin based on the grounds of diversity indicated a diverse pool of progeny that endured.

whereas in the south it is owed to bottlenecks and founder effects from one or a few men no earlier than the Middle Ages. There is a gap of millennia between starcevo and Y3120. The earliest ancestor of Y3120 was only found in Motala, and his direct parent around France.

It was likely already incorporated into proto slavs long before the migration and sometime in the mid to late Iron Age.

your correlation with haplogroups and features are also a demonstration of how very little(if that) you actually know.

you have yet to test, yet to share your Ydna, and have no participation in the Albanian Bloodlines project. You’re likely not Albanian. If you are though, you’re obviously afraid and insecure to find out you may belong to the very haplogroups you claim to act educated about with regards to their origins.

Scientists know far more on these matters than you do. So don’t expect your basement dwelling “knowledge” on the matter to sway people Whose qualifications far supersede yours.

if you go back far enough no Ydna has anything to do with any ethnicity or culture. So, referencing starcrvo just shows your lack of understanding.
 
Some of these Romanian/Albanian/Serbian trölls really need to get a life. Its just few outcasts but still they are annoying with their stupidity, everything they say is wrong and they are always proven to be wrong by facts but they still believe they are right, like some zombies.


Luckily the brainless guy was banned but his slime is left all over the thread. Last 5 pages of this thread should be sent into some Balkan Wars or whatever thread. Cant believe the amount of trash some of these brainless creatures can spew..
 
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Imagine the brain of this guy. He attacks me that there is more J2b-M241 then J2b-M205 Albanians, but when i point him to the fact that there is more J2a-M410 in Italy, Greece and South Albania, J2b-M241 is more common only in North Albania then he says nothing.

Then i show him J2-M205 ancient DNA trying to teach him to take ancient DNA into consideration also but then he says:

"These are only dots on maps, who knows where this tribe lived". Basically refusing to take ancient DNA into consideration.

But then i point him out that there is way more I2a1-CTS10228 in Arberesh then J2-M241, then he says I2a1 was found in many samples in Starcevo culture in Serbia and north Slavs dont have I2a1 and Serbian I2a1 is from Starcevo culture xDDDD


Interestingly, all the suddenly he understands ancient DNA and its not irrelevant anymore and its not "dots on map".

Also not to mention as Dibran has also pointed out that starcevo had 1 out of 14 samples that were I2a1, and its basal clade I2a1-PF3581 formed 21300 ybp, TMRCA 18400 ybp, and not I2a1-Y3120 formed 3800 ybp, TMRCA 2100 which is 99 % of Balkan I2a1. There is probably 18 000 years distance with them and this Starcevo ancient sample.

Which basically means that 60 % of Muslim Bosnjaks, 40 % of Croats, 30 % of Serbs, 20 % Slovens, share same common ancestor within 2100 years with many Ukrainians, Polaks, Slovaks and Russians.
Also going by diversity its obvious that Polaks and Ukrainians have way more diversity then Balkan does. And there is also ancient DNA found.

And this insulting without understanding anything, just strait disrespect is really low and childish. I understand that some of them are immature and they are still developing into personalities, i was also young but i never displayed such arrogance and behavior. It is simply not a way to do it properly.
 
Well this was cancerous to read through x) I wish all my cousins a happy new year :D I hope there will be no more value based assertions with regards to dominance of haplogroups or ethnic peoples.

My two cents on this whole mess: J2b-M205 is 99% of middle eastern origin. If the TMRCA is correct with regards to some of it's subcalades, the arriving ancestor might have assimilated in either: Albanian, Greek, Latin or Slavic population at the time. It is neither Greek, Albanian, Latin nor Slavic (Serbian) in origin. Dema seems to be certain that Vlachs (especially Kriči tribe) in areas around Montenegro are actually members of Albanian speaking population at the time. This hypothesis is most probable. However, I would really like someone who is quite knowledgeable on topics of all Vlachs in south-east Europe to give his perspective on this. Why would someone in the 15th century call Albanian population that became slavicized Vlach when it was already an established identity (either an Albanian or Slavic)?

Also some thoughts on phenotypes of ancient European population. I think whole of Europe, especially before bronze age was 99% blonde. During the bronze age, due to some intermixing, I think mostly the tint of blonde was starting to shift to darker. Even later accounts of Roman kings' hair colour give us as far as I can remember from reading around 50% blonde or dark blonde hair. Blonde hair genes, while recessive, were definitely still dominant even in the south of Europe around the beginning of the first millennium.

Random interesting thing about hair my hair colour: Both my parents and four of my grandparents have pitch black hair, and have had since birth. I was born with brownish hair that turned into blonde in the sun, and up until 6 years old it was mostly blonde and red, and later developed into pitch black, and is now in my 30's getting lighter again... My sister had like super light blonde hair up until 10-12 years, and then she turned brownish with some blonde strains.
 
Since there are so many subclades discovered for J2b-M205 since first analysed four years ago, I recently analysed the BAM file of Roman era York gladiator (3DRIF-26), who had autosomal affinities of a Middle Easterner. He is PF7321+ and negative on SNPs that were covered for every current J-PF7321 subclade, including negative on the Private SNPs of the Ukrainian J-PF7321*, except for CTS1969 which has no reads. So he is at J-PF7321* or J-CTS1969* in case CTS1969+
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M205/

Below are some important SNP calls:

PF7321 2T+
Y3163 1G+
Y101509 2A-
YP51 1C-
CTS1969 ?? (no reads)
Y45447 2T-
Y27394 2G-
BY88216 2G-
CTS10179 2T-
Y22521 1T-
FT45285 1G-
Y134194 1G-
Y134202 1G-
FT45279 2T-
 
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Since there are so many subclades discovered for J2b-M205 since first analysed four years ago, I recently analysed the BAM file of Roman era York gladiator (3DRIF-26), who had autosomal affinities of a Middle Easterner. He is PF7321+ and negative on SNPs that were covered for every current J-PF7321 subclade, including negative on the Private SNPs of the Ukrainian J-PF7321*, except for CTS1969 which has no reads. So he is at J-PF7321* or J-CTS1969* in case CTS1969+
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M205/

Below are some important SNP calls:

PF7321 2T+
Y3163 1G+
Y101509 2A-
YP51 1C-
CTS1969 ?? (no reads)
Y45447 2T-
Y27394 2G-
BY88216 2G-
CTS10179 2T-
Y22521 1T-
FT45285 1G-
Y134194 1G-
Y134202 1G-
FT45279 2T-


Too bad that he has no read on somewhat important SNP CTS1969. However this confirmed that gladiator is M205+ and PF7321+ and so far not closer to any other branch downstream.
In contrast as it was believed before that our Ukraine sample is closer to Roman gladiator. I think Chris has mentioned this in his article long ago.

Trojet, since you have private SNPs of our Ukraine sample can you check him against Roman sample found in recent Roman study : Sample R1283, 771-974 CE.


There is slim chance but anything is possible. He expressed this wish here : https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...Eupedia/page15?p=590294&viewfull=1#post590294
 
Let me remind my privates SNPs:

Vendor Name hg19 hg38 Reference Derived Q Qual Reads
BigY700 FT73186 3500997 3632956 C G 100 Best 19 - 0
BigY700 FT73233 4716019 4847978 A C 100 Best 5 - 0
BigY700 FT73248 5023098 5155057 G A 100 Best 19 - 0
BigY700 FT73253 5076255 5208214 C T 100 Best 19 - 0
BigY700 FT73264 5327319 5459278 G A 100 Best 11 - 0
BigY700 FT73266 5371065 5503024 C G 100 Best 19 - 0
BigY700 FT73270 5470569 5602528 C T 100 Best 16 - 0
BigY700 Y38687 6847413 6979372 A G 100 Best 27 A 2
BigY700 Y38711 6895756 7027715 A C 100 Best 12 - 0
BigY700 Y38713 6896130 7028089 A G 100 Best 25 A 2
BigY700 Y170579 7301315 7433274 C T 100 Best 19 - 0
BigY700 Y39000 7571509 7703468 T A 100 Best 28 T 1
BigY700 Y39072 7706239 7838198 G T 100 Best 25 G 1
BigY700 Y170690 8062232 8194191 T A 100 Best 22 - 0
BigY700 Y39355 8197067 8329026 G A 100 Best 29 G 1
BigY700 Y39369 8217800 8349759 C G 100 Best 15 - 0
BigY700 Y170823 8693060 8825019 C T 100 Best 26 C 1
BigY700 Y170673 13986294 11865588 T A 100 Best 23 - 0
BigY700 Y40427 14308755 12188049 C T 100 Best 11 - 0
BigY700 Y40428 14308756 12188050 G T 100 Best 11 - 0
BigY700 Y40429 14308757 12188051 T G 100 Best 11 - 0
BigY700 Y40670 14813725 12701796 A G 100 Best 25 - 0
BigY700 Y40872 15204261 13092347 T C 100 Best 23 - 0
BigY700 Y40891 15250380 13138466 A G 100 Best 24 A 1
BigY700 Y170751 15370287 13258407 G C 100 Best 28 - 0
BigY700 Y40953 15371455 13259575 C G 100 Best 27 - 0
BigY700 Y41014 15502872 13390992 G T 100 Best 25 G 1
BigY700 Y41808 17031211 14919331 G C 100 Best 18 - 0
BigY700 Y42016 17422876 15310996 T C 100 Best 20 - 0
BigY700 Y170827 17440656 15328776 A G 100 Best 16 A 1
BigY700 18001131 15889251 C G 100 Best 17 - 0
BigY700 Y170674 18154415 16042535 G T 100 Best 17 - 0
BigY700 Y42596 18643236 16531356 A G 100 Best 27 - 0
BigY700 Y42740 18909248 16797368 C G 100 Best 19 C 1
BigY700 Y42756 18936140 16824260 C T 100 Best 28 C 1
BigY700 Y42902 19187078 17075198 C T 100 Best 18 C 1
BigY700 Y170608 21283280 19121394 C T 100 Best 20 C 1
BigY700 Y43477 21676801 19514915 T C 100 Best 18 T 1
BigY700 Y43523 21772909 19611023 T G 100 Best 16 T 1
BigY700 Y43653 22020501 19858615 T C 100 Best 20 T 3
BigY700 Y43687 22096841 19934955 A G 100 Best 16 - 0
BigY700 Y43722 22180121 20018235 T A 100 Best 16 - 0
BigY700 Y43739 22200999 20039113 C T 100 Best 21 - 0
BigY700 Y43757 22216229 20054343 C T 100 Best 17 - 0
BigY700 22321602 20159716 C A 100 Best 20 - 0
BigY700 Y43918 22721203 20559317 T C 100 Best 28 - 0
BigY700 Y44029 22904559 20742673 A T 100 Best 21 A 2
BigY700 Y44233 23254636 21092750 A G 100 Best 18 - 0
BigY700 Y44455 23650943 21489057 A G 100 Best 13 - 0
BigY700 Y44541 23988658 21842511 A C 100 Best 17 - 0
BigY700 Y44584 24431820 22285673 G A 100 Best 24 - 0
BigY700 24460060 22313913 G A 100 Best 14 - 0
BigY700 Y170659 28527295 26381148 A C 100 Best 13 A 1
BigY700 Y170645 28637934 26491787 T C 100 Best 21 - 0
BigY700 Y41778 16984627 14872747 C T 99 Acceptable 22 C 1
BigY700 Y43816 22536727 20374841 T A 100 Acceptable 3 T 1
BigY700 Y170826 22782005 20620119 G T 99 Acceptable 28 G 2
BigY700 BY147406 23753002 21591116 A G 95 Acceptable 29 - 0
BigY700 Y170585 28526063 26379916 G T 99 Acceptable 24 - 0
BigY700 17826645 15714765 C A 89 Ambiguous 21 C 1
BigY700 FT73161 3012238 3144197 C T 80 Low 14 - 0
BigY700 FT73305 6070213 6202172 G A 82 Low 23 - 0
BigY700 Y43778 22298712 20136826 T A 73 Low 27 - 0
Dante FT73237 4835908 4967867 A G 100 Best 60 - 0
Dante Y174629 13535255 11379579 G A 100 Best 6 - 0
Dante Y174692 13541006 11385330 G A 100 Best 6 G 1
Dante Y181210 11643854 G T 100 Best 15 - 0
Dante FT73408/Y174630 16490486 14378606 G T 97 Acceptable G 1
Dante 22624058 20462172 T A 100 Ambiguous 2 - 0
Dante 14566015 12454215 T C 1 One reading! 1 - 0
Dante 14635624 12523693 T C 1 One reading! 1 T 2
Dante 15175901 13063987 T C 1 One reading! 1 T 1
Dante 21770397 19608511 C T 1 One reading! 1 - 0
Dante 22168195 20006309 G T 1 One reading! 1 - 0
Dante 23372818 21210932 T C 1 One reading! 1 - 0
Dante 23983309 21837162 G T 1 One reading! 1 - 0
 
Well this was cancerous to read through x) I wish all my cousins a happy new year :D I hope there will be no more value based assertions with regards to dominance of haplogroups or ethnic peoples.

My two cents on this whole mess: J2b-M205 is 99% of middle eastern origin. If the TMRCA is correct with regards to some of it's subcalades, the arriving ancestor might have assimilated in either: Albanian, Greek, Latin or Slavic population at the time. It is neither Greek, Albanian, Latin nor Slavic (Serbian) in origin. Dema seems to be certain that Vlachs (especially Kriči tribe) in areas around Montenegro are actually members of Albanian speaking population at the time. This hypothesis is most probable. However, I would really like someone who is quite knowledgeable on topics of all Vlachs in south-east Europe to give his perspective on this. Why would someone in the 15th century call Albanian population that became slavicized Vlach when it was already an established identity (either an Albanian or Slavic)?

Also some thoughts on phenotypes of ancient European population. I think whole of Europe, especially before bronze age was 99% blonde. During the bronze age, due to some intermixing, I think mostly the tint of blonde was starting to shift to darker. Even later accounts of Roman kings' hair colour give us as far as I can remember from reading around 50% blonde or dark blonde hair. Blonde hair genes, while recessive, were definitely still dominant even in the south of Europe around the beginning of the first millennium.

Random interesting thing about hair my hair colour: Both my parents and four of my grandparents have pitch black hair, and have had since birth. I was born with brownish hair that turned into blonde in the sun, and up until 6 years old it was mostly blonde and red, and later developed into pitch black, and is now in my 30's getting lighter again... My sister had like super light blonde hair up until 10-12 years, and then she turned brownish with some blonde strains.


Kriçi were most likely Albanian language speakers. Being a native highland Montenegrin tribe they were probably not distinguishable from Albanian highland tribes. Their autosomal from tribal time 800 years ago was probably 100 % Southeast Europe, or extremely close to it. Which would be very similar to Albanian autosomal.

Since we could not find J2-M205 among Albanians in the beginning i also believed in Vlach theory. I simply believed that Kriçi were Latin speakers or that they at least considered themselves Vlach or Aromun. However things are not always as they seem and truth seems to be somewhat different. I was simply forced to completely abandon Vlach theory because after further analysis and gathering of proofs like Bosch et al results which tested enormous number of Albanian Vlachs, Romanian Vlachs, Macedonian Vlachs, Aromuns, Romanians and specifically targeted Vlach and Aromun population. And the only J2-M205 Vlach sample in that entire study is from Albania, and his closest relatives are among Albanians in Gjirokaster, Greeks in Greece and Italians in Sicily. He has no connection to Vlachs whatsoever. And J2-M205 is virtually none existed among Vlachs.

So not only that Kriçi were not a Vlach tribe, but J2-M205 is none existent in Vlachs and Aromuns. Furthermore check statistics of Albanian project on www.gjenetika.com, there are 7 Vllah results but again same as in Bosch et al, we cannot find M205 among Vlachs, but even these few samples in various branches that we have, they are all Albanian.

J2-M205>Y22059, given by all facts and closest relatives and their disperse over Mediterranean Sea gives strong signal of being of Phoenician or Roman time expansion. We know that we were either Phoenician and Roman 2500 - 2000 years ago, but our tribal MRCA that lived 1000 ybp lost these memories long ago. His descendants considered themselves natives and they probably integrated with local population wich in these territories of Montenegro were clearly albanophone prior to slavicisation.

Albanian language was unknown prior to 10 century CE, but that does not mean it was not present before. Since Kriçi were Montenegrin native highland tribe of Durmitor mountains, i dont see what else could they be?

Latin was known language and if they spoken Latin that would be known, but fact that they were recorded as natives of unknown language pretty much pinpoints to Albanians.
 
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BTW,

I've asked the YFull guys. The quality of the R1283 doesn't allow to put in in the tree.

But certainly you can check it manually.
 
One Molgen.org user already checked my samples.
Here is staistics.

He used 75 SNPs to check.
26 in R1283 were read.
49 are not read at all.
All read SNPs for R1283 are with reference values.

I.e. there is not any new branch for me and R1283.

*** But I am still the closest match for this London gladiator.
 
TMRCA is not less than 3000 ybp.
 
Oh, sorry!

My mistake.

This is the results for Mediaval Roman sample. Not for gladiator.
 
One Molgen.org user already checked my samples.
Here is staistics.

He used 75 SNPs to check.
26 in R1283 were read.
49 are not read at all.
All read SNPs for R1283 are with reference values.

I.e. there is not any new branch for me and R1283.

*** But I am still the closest match for this London gladiator.




You are 5700 years away from gladiator just as everyone else under J2-M205, i think Trojet analysis just confirmed this.
So, since you were already compared to R1283 and you dont share any private SNP with him also, i would say that your line is still unknown.
Most likely Bronze Age migration from Zagros/Middle East to North Caucasus and then to northern Black Sea shores.
There is possibility that your line is also Roman expansion to Black Sea shores where Romans expanded and defeated Scythians, Sarmatians, etc.
I would say migration happened anywhere from Bronze Age to Roman time.
 
Since some things were going on with Albanian DNA project and many samples were sadly withdrawn from project, as it looks there was a loss of about half of samples.
Also this loss of samples hardly hit haplogroup J2-M205 where our Gjirokaster cluster was sadly completely wiped out. We are left only with two J2-M205 samples in project.

Therefore i decided to post all Albanian J2-M205 samples that i managed to collect thru this time of few years of research : )
So, there is 14 samples in 5 different branches with Y22059 dominating in the north and Gjirokaster cluster dominating in the south, both of them are CTS1969+.


23andme Dema, Zall-Bastar, central Albania. J2b-M205 SNP.
23andme (probably Y22059) Gjenashaj, Shestan, Montenegro J2b-M205 SNP.

1. Haziri/Dema brotherhood Kosovo, Vulaj north Albania, Hyseni Kosovo. CTS1969+ Y22059+

2. Celo, Cabej, Ruca, Tosk (Ferri et al), Tosk (Sarno et al), Gjirokaster Albania, CTS1969+, Gjirokaster cluster

3. Gogo, Gjirokaster, Albania. 175 Bosch et al Andon Poci Aromun Albania, CTS1969 ?

4. Tirana, central Albania Albanian (Bosch et al), DYS388=12 M205+

5. Arbereshe Italia ISN59 ARB_CAL POL_AREA J-M12+ M205+
 
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