European principles of freedoms and independence was forged in centuries of national and ethnic conflicts and wars. Europe today is a small continent but with 50 nations. If anyone, Europe understands importance of freedom and independence for any peoples.
The issue is not that your principles of freedoms is forged in centuries of national and ethnic conflicts and wars or not, its that when these centuries of national and ethnic conflicts and wars happened when Europe was and still is first world sovereign nations, what ever political direction a nation takes it is a result of a will of its people without outside influence (through indoctrination) and a general intention and understanding that they are will part of the whole european scheme, and not to be manipulated by other countries into being used against their neighbors.
I used to say the same years ago when I used to see conflicts in another country between two groups of people in the new, they should just let it go and give the other group the freedom to do whatever they want, now I know I was wrong.
You are not in position to teach us, but to learn from us.
The hell I won't!!!
Now, this is Turkish propaganda. Such strong unity of thoughts doesn't exist. Especially in ethnically mixed country like Turkey, Syria or Iraq .
I meant other than kurds. Others = Turks and non Turks (the region)
I'm afraid that you are deeply misguided if you think this is Turkish propaganda. This is real.
You think European people are not intelligent enough to have their own independent thought and need oligarchy to decide for them?!!!
Thats a logical fallicy (irrelevant conclusion), saying that a financial oligarchy exists in the west does not necessarily lead to the conclusion that the reason for their existence is a lack of intelligence on the part of Europeans.
See a documentary on Youtube called "A Decade of Deception". Its a documentary made by respected experts in Structural Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, and History. They give their professional opinion on the official account of 9/11. Now give me an interruptive model that can explain 9/11 better than a conspiring oligarchy? on the existence of which 9/11 is not my main evidence, but its an easy example this is why I use it.
Good, they should get their independence too. Why the heck it scares you so much?!
Imagine Scotland have referendum about its independance. Oh, wait, you don't need to, they actually did have it in real life. People decided about their future! Imagine that! If Britten allow it for Scots, why Turkey can't allow it for Kurds?
Fight the straw man as long as you want, but that won't be addressing my point. I gave a scenario in which the independence of Scotland is one factor among many: the west being a 3rd world countries, 1st world countries conspiring against them (wars, coups, control of western armies, control of western governments...etc), Scotland being used to divide other western countries to create small cantons and put puppets on them...etc
You might still say that you would let Scotland leave, but you would be foolish. Nonetheless I don't think that this will be your opinion when it really happens, I use to say the same thing about other countries when I used to see them fight in the News, but now I know how its like.
Again, please learn how it is done in free western world.
An argument does not become right by merely it being western, you have to logically prove it.
I say this because you did the same thing in your first post
By understanding of Western free and democratic world,any ethnic group should have a right to separate into own independent country, by means of referendum.
They are actually quite genetically distinct, especially from West Turks who are genetically more like Greeks
Kurds themselves are genetically distinct from each other from area to another, very diverse group.
But I said almost identical, not completely identical. Lets use the word similar if thats better
There are also some enclaves in Turkey where people have strong genetic similarities with central Asian Turkic populations.Remember, you are posting on Genetic Anthropology forums
Rare enclaves, central Asian DNA in Anatolian is very low (at most 4-10% at most in average)
Regardless, genetic differences or similarities are not a prerequisite for independence or against it, for any population
I know, I think its primitive group yourself based on race or genetics, like an animal, rather than the higher level of connection (intellect: ideology, values and culture) But I say geniality for the sake of the argument in case someone thinks its important
It is time you should learn this.
Thats very condescending of you. My disagreement with you is not because I didn't learn from your glorious endless sea of wisdom and "It is time I should learn this" Rather, I understand your point of view but disagree with it. I gave the criteria that I think justifies a call for independence.
i.e: Religion, culture, ideology, social habits, geography..etc. and most importantly not being used by your enemies against you after you gain independence.
The reason? I gave logical reasoning to justify iti.e: we are in a state of war and suffering from western oligarchy aggression, thus cannot afford to act like we are in state of peace, there is a place and time for everything. Otherwise the aggression is not going to stop and every group will be indoctrinated with gross, ignorant, reactionary, historically delusional, and hateful ideology to divide us even based on the smallest differences such as shoe size. Instead of replying in a logical way you state your opinions as if you doing so makes it self-evident.
Which also applies to this:
Once again, you should learn from Europeans, and stop teaching us.