New distribution map of haplogroup E-M123

[kingdavid]

from someone at twitter :
i guess most of 12% e1b1b1 in assyrians should be e-m34 and e-v13

 

[Harutyan Jort]

i believe it will be found there in the end
we don't have enough remains
and egypt as a country don't rush to published results
so it is complicated situation with that country
do you know
if copts carry e-m123?

p.s
asking since i believe copts should reflect more isolated group in modern egypt

yeah, I guess that might be the same case of E-M123 in ancient Turkmenistan, that guy's autosomal is so Iran-neolithioc that no population in central asia and south asia today can score more Iran-neolithioc components than him! yet you don't see ancient E-M123 sample in Iran

 

[Harutyan Jort]

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-003-1031-4
old but not outdated Y dna on Turkey national wide
E-M123=29/523=5.54%

 

[kingdavid]

this paper in russian

Полиморфизм микросателлитных локусов Y-хромосомы у крымских караимов и крымских татар | Патогенез

pathogenesis.pro

looked at the y chromosomes in crimean karaites , and crimean tatars
(samples from actual crimea)
( 23 y-str predicted by nevgen predictor)
4/26 15% e-m123>m34 in crimean karaites ( 3/26 e-z841 + 1/26 e-m84)

EK-10,EK-14,EK-57-e-m34>z841 ( likely e-y2947)
EK-51- e-m84 (likely e-y5435)

p.s
Crimean tatars at this research don't carry e1b1b1 at all
it is interesting that crimean karaites fall on different branches of e-z841 , e-m84 from ashkenazi jews
e-z841>y2947 and e-m84>y5435
maybe the source of there e-m34 is from caucasus or from turkic source

Crimean Karaites - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kingdavid]

i will not let this thread to be dead
very old paper still snp tested
1/34 2.9% e-m123 in corsica (the 34 samples were taken from corte and bastia)


source:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/10738735_Peopling_of_three_Mediterranean_Islands_Corsica_Sardinia_and_Sicily_inferred_by_Y-chromosome_biallelic_variability

p.s
since the snp was only to the e-m123 level
this 1 e-m123 haplotype could be under e-ft20896 though it doesn't have to be e-m34

 

[kingdavid]

while i dont know since the quality of that sample if it was
e-pf1962
e-pf1962>m123,
e-pf1962>m123>ft20896
e-pf1962>m123>m34>z841
there was a paper in 2016 by hofmanova :
Palaeogenomic and Biostatistical Analysis of Ancient DNA Data from Mesolithic and Neolithic Skeletal Remains
in it they mentioned Bar11 as e1b1b1-m35

that is the ancesteral and derived form in the position 21741703 (which defined e-m35)

and now a week ago i saw at ftdna discover that they defined Bar11 as under e-z830
which is amazing find more natural would be e-L618 and that would explain his enterence to balkan europe and
it is based on a paper by hofmanova from the year 2022

Between fishing and farming: palaeogenomic analyses reveal cross-cultural interactions triggered by the arrival of the Neolithic in the Danube Gorges

While early Neolithic populations in Europe were largely descended from early Aegean farmers, there is also evidence of episodic gene flow from local Mesolithic hunter-gatherers into early Neolithic communities. Exactly how and where this occurred is still unknown. Here we report direct evidence...

www.biorxiv.org

p.s
most of the individuals from that site were under y haplogroup G to find e1b1b1 at that site from 6600-6000bc
would be amazing beyond words hope ftdna discover tool are true here


the ytree site kindly uploaded him kudos to him

Bar11 - E-Z830 / X - 祖源树TheYtree

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