New distribution map of Y-haplogroup E-M81

e-m81 is more than 5% in ille de france and auvergane
source : https://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(09)00234-0/fulltext
and this research was done on people with french surnames
i think the spread of e-m81 is more complicated it exist in france in areas that were not under muslim rule

i add the table of research because we cant see it in the link i added :

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[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]BD[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E*[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M35*[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M78[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M81[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M34[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]G[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]I[/TH]
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[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]N1c[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]P*[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]R1a[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]R1b1[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, width: %2221%22, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]T[/TH]
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[TD]1 Alsace[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6.25[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3.75[/TD]
[TD]2.50[/TD]
[TD]8.75[/TD]
[TD]1.25[/TD]
[TD]8.75[/TD]
[TD]1.25[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3.75[/TD]
[TD]58.75[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]2 Auvergne[/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.25[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3.37[/TD]
[TD]5.62[/TD]
[TD]1.12[/TD]
[TD]8.99[/TD]
[TD]4.49[/TD]
[TD]3.37[/TD]
[TD]7.87[/TD]
[TD]1.12[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]5.62[/TD]
[TD]52.80[/TD]
[TD]3.37[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]3 Brittany[/TD]
[TD]115[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.74[/TD]
[TD]13.04[/TD]
[TD]0.87[/TD]
[TD]2.61[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.87[/TD]
[TD]80.88[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD]4 Île-de-France[/TD]
[TD]91[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]10.99[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4.40[/TD]
[TD]5.49[/TD]
[TD]1.10[/TD]
[TD]4.40[/TD]
[TD]7.69[/TD]
[TD]1.10[/TD]
[TD]5.49[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.10[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.20[/TD]
[TD]56.05[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD]5 Midi-Pyrénées[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]2.99[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]4.48[/TD]
[TD]10.45[/TD]
[TD]4.48[/TD]
[TD]7.46[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.99[/TD]
[TD]59.69[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
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[TD]6 Nord-Pas-de-Calais[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.47[/TD]
[TD]1.47[/TD]
[TD]5.88[/TD]
[TD]4.41[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]7.35[/TD]
[TD]8.82[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]5.88[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.94[/TD]
[TD]61.76[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD]7 Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
[TD]8.89[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6.67[/TD]
[TD]8.89[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6.67[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4.44[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]55.55[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
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[TD]555[/TD]
[TD]0.32[/TD]
[TD]2.31[/TD]
[TD]0.74[/TD]
[TD]4.54[/TD]
[TD]2.75[/TD]
[TD]1.07[/TD]
[TD]5.16[/TD]
[TD]8.88[/TD]
[TD]1.58[/TD]
[TD]6.39[/TD]
[TD]0.34[/TD]
[TD]0.16[/TD]
[TD]0.63[/TD]
[TD]2.62[/TD]
[TD]60.78[/TD]
[TD]1.73[/TD]
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An E-M81 ended up in Parma too. Soldiers went everywhere.
 
methodology in genetic studies are in many cases pitable, they simply get hospital samples with French surnames... how have done a discrimination about which surname is French, Alsatian Germanic surnames like Weis or Loeb were included or excluded?

moreover they did not take care about ancestry of samples (like being fourth generation in the same department), and that in France is very important as there are 30% of internal migration, one in three coming from other regions, two in three from another departement inside the region.

Plus, some some 30% have origins outside of core France:

2008, according to The National Institute of Statistics (INSEE, for its acronym in French), there were 12 million immigrants and their direct descendants (2nd generation) making up about 20% of the population.[26] with an immigrant defined as a foreign born person without French citizenship at birth. Without considering citizenship at birth, people not born in metropolitan France and their direct descendants made up 30% of the population aged 18–50 in metropolitan France in 2008
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so this study has so much value as to know Y DNA distribution as counting doves in Paris as to know how many car crashes will be this year in Toulouse.
 
yes but e-m81 also exist among some French Canadians families /surnames do we agree that the presence of e-m81 among those familes are not recent immigrant no chance and you know it.
about this research
the more than 5% of e- m81 in auvergane might be not recent there is a logical conection to those 650Ad buried Muslims in nimes which is not far georgraphicaly you might have a point about the e-m81% in Paris and lille in the north though.
 
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I don't know which study found the high percentage in the Paris and Lille areas (or studies), but it's absolutely false and perhaps deliberately misleading to state that the authors of population genetics papers just get samples from hospitals. I know of only one study which did that, and, unfortunately, it was an Italian one.

This is the kind of thing said by people who don't like what studies show.

It's easy to check. Every study tells you how they procured their samples, and the criterion for choice. The usual standard is four grandparents born in the same area. In y dna studies they're looking at the males. Just find the study or studies and check. It's easy enough.

@King John,
That's absolutely correct.
 
Angela said:
I don't know which study found the high percentage in the Paris and Lille areas (or studies), but it's absolutely false and perhaps deliberately misleading to state that the authors of population genetics papers just get samples from hospitals. I know of only one study which did that, and, unfortunately, it was an Italian one.

This is the kind of thing said by people who don't like what studies show.

It's easy to check. Every study tells you how they procured their samples, and the criterion for choice. The usual standard is four grandparents born in the same area. In y dna studies they're looking at the males. Just find the study or studies and check. It's easy enough.

@King John,
That's absolutely correct.
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As to French Canadian people, I remember from my days on 23andme that quite a few French Canadians would get a tiny sliver of North African and didn't have any clue why. I know most of the migration to Canada was from the Northwest and Center, but if any came from the south, there is an explanation.

General Information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_invasion_of_Gaul

Saracen kingdom of Provence: Fraxinetum
https://www.history.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/users/cbooker/docs/Ballan_Fraxinetum.pdf

If it makes Berun feel any better, they raided in all directions, including into the mountain passes of Italy. :)
 
I don't think that true ancestral E-M87 in France could be assigned to Muslim raids, instead, to "internal" migrations in the Roman Empire and above all to the retreat of imperials in the fall of the empire.
 
Sample collection was performed drawing blood of unrelated male individuals with French surname after informed consent
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let me know if French laws allow blood extraction in cafeterias or Disneyland...
 
berun said:
I don't think that true ancestral E-M87 in France could be assigned to Muslim raids, instead, to "internal" migrations in the Roman Empire and above all to the retreat of imperials in the fall of the empire.
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Special pleading. How the hell would you know that????

How typical. Anything rather than ancestry from the Moors. Pathetic.

Like it or not, the Kingdom of Fraxinetum existed, founded by Saracens, for a good long time.

You make one more smarmy comment unsupported by fact, and I'm going to delete it.

GO TO THE STUDIES IN QUESTION, and show that the procedure for collection was faulty, or SHUT UP.
 
so yfull put some ancient guanches sample
in there tree.....

GUN011 which is dated to 695–888 C.E
anyway cool :cool-v:
https://yfull.com/tree/E-PF2546*/


p.s
i wish they have done it for other ancient e1b1b1 samples also.... :thinking:
 
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kingjohn said:
e-m81 is more than 5% in ille de france and auvergane
source : https://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(09)00234-0/fulltext
and this research was done on people with french surnames
i think the spread of e-m81 is more complicated it exist in france in areas that were not under muslim rule

i add the table of research because we cant see it in the link i added :

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[TH="class: headerSort headerSortUp, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]Region[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]Nb[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]BD[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E*[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M35*[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M78[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M81[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]E-M34[/TH]
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[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]N1c[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]P*[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]R1a[/TH]
[TH="class: headerSort, bgcolor: #EAECF0, align: center"]R1b1[/TH]
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[TD]1 Alsace[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]6.25[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3.75[/TD]
[TD]2.50[/TD]
[TD]8.75[/TD]
[TD]1.25[/TD]
[TD]8.75[/TD]
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[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD]2 Auvergne[/TD]
[TD]89[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.25[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]3.37[/TD]
[TD]5.62[/TD]
[TD]1.12[/TD]
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[TD]3.37[/TD]
[TD]7.87[/TD]
[TD]1.12[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]5.62[/TD]
[TD]52.80[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]3 Brittany[/TD]
[TD]115[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.74[/TD]
[TD]13.04[/TD]
[TD]0.87[/TD]
[TD]2.61[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0.87[/TD]
[TD]80.88[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD]4 Île-de-France[/TD]
[TD]91[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]10.99[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4.40[/TD]
[TD]5.49[/TD]
[TD]1.10[/TD]
[TD]4.40[/TD]
[TD]7.69[/TD]
[TD]1.10[/TD]
[TD]5.49[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.10[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.20[/TD]
[TD]56.05[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD]5 Midi-Pyrénées[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]2.99[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[TD]4.48[/TD]
[TD]10.45[/TD]
[TD]4.48[/TD]
[TD]7.46[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.99[/TD]
[TD]59.69[/TD]
[TD]1.49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6 Nord-Pas-de-Calais[/TD]
[TD]68[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]1.47[/TD]
[TD]1.47[/TD]
[TD]5.88[/TD]
[TD]4.41[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]7.35[/TD]
[TD]8.82[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]5.88[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.94[/TD]
[TD]61.76[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7 Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
[TD]8.89[/TD]
[TD]2.22[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
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[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]0[/TD]
[TD]4.44[/TD]
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[TD]2.31[/TD]
[TD]0.74[/TD]
[TD]4.54[/TD]
[TD]2.75[/TD]
[TD]1.07[/TD]
[TD]5.16[/TD]
[TD]8.88[/TD]
[TD]1.58[/TD]
[TD]6.39[/TD]
[TD]0.34[/TD]
[TD]0.16[/TD]
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this research was real
here the map of provinces from which samples were taken( with haplogroups) :good_job:
https://i.imgur.com/PcNGA22.jpg
 
kingjohn said:
this research was real
here the map of provinces from which samples were taken( with haplogroups) :good_job:
https://i.imgur.com/PcNGA22.jpg
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Modern frequencies for France normally aren't all that helpful, I'm afraid. There are lots and lots of North Africans in southeastern France as well as in other parts of France. It can total 20% or more of the population. You should visit Marseilles.

I'd be very surprised if the study from which the pie chart comes used only men with French last names. Could you direct me to the page in the study where it says that? It seems a bit unlikely given how French law prohibits "racial" or ethnic identification in most matters.

We also shouldn't forget Fraxinetum, and it's possible effect not only on Provence, but neighboring areas. I think the Auvergne could be explained that way through a spread from there and then some founder effect if it's really found in men with French surnames. After all, Nimes, where three Berber skeletons of the Medieval period were buried facing Mecca, is not all that far from some parts of the Auvergne.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraxinetum

mapa-fraxinetum.jpg


It seems that some percentage of the pirates were actually Muslim converts from Andalucia, which might be another reason for some Iberian specific R1b in that area and even western Liguria.

Of course, given the small number of men, their autosomal signature would have been wiped out pretty quickly.

Unless the yDna analysis got down very far into subclades to determine if these are men with parentage from North Africa recently or from the Middle Ages, I would think.
 
Angela said:
Modern frequencies for France normally aren't all that helpful, I'm afraid. There are lots and lots of North Africans in southeastern France as well as in other parts of France. It can total 20% or more of the population. You should visit Marseilles.

I'd be very surprised if the study from which the pie chart comes used only men with French last names. Could you direct me to the page in the study where it says that? It seems a bit unlikely given how French law prohibits "racial" or ethnic identification in most matters.

We also shouldn't forget Fraxinetum, and it's possible effect not only on Provence, but neighboring areas. I think the Auvergne could be explained that way through a spread from there and then some founder effect if it's really found in men with French surnames. After all, Nimes, where three Berber skeletons of the Medieval period were buried facing Mecca, is not all that far from some parts of the Auvergne.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraxinetum

mapa-fraxinetum.jpg


It seems that some percentage of the pirates were actually Muslim converts from Andalucia, which might be another reason for some Iberian specific R1b in that area and even western Liguria.

Of course, given the small number of men, their autosomal signature would have been wiped out pretty quickly.

Unless the yDna analysis got down very far into subclades to determine if these are men with parentage from North Africa recently or from the Middle Ages, I would think.
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yes i was in marseilles when i was 22 years old that was 13 years ago lol:smile:
and there were indeed many algerians there but i also saw many italians
and armenians
i liked marseilles it fealt very cosmopolitan i didn't fealt stranger there .....:smile:

yes the people in this research are with french surname :cool-v:


2. Materials and methods

Sample collection was performed drawing blood of unrelated male individuals with French surname after informed consent.

source:

https://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(09)00234-0/fulltext



p.s
some branches of e-m81 could be pretty old in france 300-500 AD :cool-v:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY9753/


https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A1152/

but i am open minded to the nimes e-m81 samples that could be somehow related to
auvergne :)



 
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kingjohn said:
yes i was in marseilles when i was 22 years old that was 13 years ago lol:smile:
and there were indeed many algerians there but i also saw many italians
and armenians
i liked marsile it fealt very cosmopolitan i didn't fealt stranger there .....:smile:

yes the people in this research are with french surname :cool-v:
2. Materials and methods

Sample collection was performed drawing blood of unrelated male individuals with French surname after informed consent.

source:

https://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(09)00234-0/fulltext



p.s
some branches of e-m81 could be pretty old in france 300-500 AD :cool-v:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY9753/


https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A1152/

but i am open minded to the nimes e-m81 samples that could be somehow related to
auvergne :)
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Thanks. That’s very interesting indeed.

The name of the paper escapes me now but I think I remember reading somewhere that migration to Spain from North Africa actually began before the massive invasion. I wonder if E-M81 just migrated around the rim of the Mediterranean there a bit. I also don’t know exactly where all the Roman north African cavalry units were stationed.

I also think I remember one Scottish clan is E-M81.

I have to admit I’m not a big fan of Marseilles itself; Port cities are always dirty and crime ridden, but I love the rest of Provence. It was once ours, you know, hence all the Italian surnames. :)

I go every year in the summer when I'm in Italy. I've made good friends there. It's only a few hours drive and I feel just like I'm still home.
 
Angela said:
Thanks. That’s very interesting indeed.

The name of the paper escapes me now but I think I remember reading somewhere that migration to Spain from North Africa actually began before the massive invasion. I wonder if E-M81 just migrated around the rim of the Mediterranean there a bit. I also don’t know exactly where all the Roman north African cavalry units were stationed.I also think I remember one Scottish clan is E-M81.

I have to admit I’m not a big fan of Marseilles itself; Port cities are always dirty and crime ridden, but I love the rest of Provence. It was once ours, you know, hence all the Italian surnames. :)

I go every year in the summer when I'm in Italy. I've made good friends there. It's only a few hours drive and I feel just like I'm still home.
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could be :thinking:


the scottish clan is this :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Menzies

they might have origin from normandy :thinking:
but can also be from (roman times) roman units of north african origin that were station in england scotland border :smile:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A930/
 
torzio said:
IIRC, a paper in the past said that the Moors are just arabinized Berbers and that the Berbers at over 80% are E-M81
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the question is how much of e-m81 haplotypes
are related to the muslim rule of iberia
or they are more ancient like dated to roman period/ carthegenians :thinking:

p.s
i am not familier with spanish history
but if there was a mass conversion to christianity of the muslim invaders
than it could explain some of those e-m81:thinking:
 
kingjohn said:
yes i was in marseilles when i was 22 years old that was 13 years ago lol:smile:
and there were indeed many algerians there but i also saw many italians
and armenians
i liked marseilles it fealt very cosmopolitan i didn't fealt stranger there .....:smile:

yes the people in this research are with french surname :cool-v:


2. Materials and methods

Sample collection was performed drawing blood of unrelated male individuals with French surname after informed consent.

source:

https://www.fsigeneticssup.com/article/S1875-1768(09)00234-0/fulltext



p.s
some branches of e-m81 could be pretty old in france 300-500 AD :cool-v:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-BY9753/


https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A1152/

but i am open minded to the nimes e-m81 samples that could be somehow related to
auvergne :)
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i think i read somewhere that nowadays almost noone in marseille is completely french with most people having rather recent ancestry from somewhere else. probably similar with most french cities, and north africans are just a few among many others.
france was always quite cosmopolitan muslim moors likely contributed only little to the e-m81 frequency among "native" french.
 
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