New distribution map of haplogroup E-M123

[agok]

Man, i dont know if i should feel unique or like a loner , any way im even more lost now

 

[kingdavid]

Man, i dont know if i should feel unique or like a loner , any way im even more lost now

don't be lost it is only a matter of time
as more people test there is higher chance that people
will fall on your branch
there is soon a paper with new samples from ( middle east and balkan your branch can be found)

 

[agok]

thanks for giving me hope

 

[Mmiikkii]

Maciamo, is it possible that you're counting some really old migrants to France and England??(19th century, early 20th)It's a bit difficult that any middle eastener occupied Gaul and Britain, since most likely was colonized by Italics and Hispanics.Let alone that has survived that much in comparisson with a place that was muslim like Spain.It seems more likely that they brought someone for the crops.

 

[agok]

Did the paper from Israel Institute for Advanced Studies contain any new E-M123 samples?

 

[kingdavid]

Did the paper from Israel Institute for Advanced Studies contain any new E-M123 samples?

We don't know yet since
We are still waiting for david reich to publish
This paper

P.s
Suppose to be 3 papers inside the southern Arc:

I believe there will be some e-m84>pf6751
In bronze age paper

And e-m84>y5435 in iron age / historical paper

And i hope for you we will see e-m123*(x m34)

 

[kingdavid]

We don't know yet since
We are still waiting for david reich to publish
This paper
P.s
Suppose to be 3 papers inside the southern Arc:
I believe there will be some e-m84>pf6751
In bronze age paper
And e-m84>y5435 in iron age / historical paper
And i hope for you we will see e-m123*(x m34)

at least i was correct in one thing e-m84>pf6751 does show in bronze age armenia and also anatolia

I15733 -1370 ARM_Nerkin_Getashen_LBA Nerkin Getashen Armenia 40,91666 44,5 69,54% E-Y6186 J1c

I15732 -1368 ARM_Nerkin_Getashen_LBA Nerkin Getashen Armenia 40,91666 44,5 69,28% E-CTS5265 K1a1

I20444-ARM_Sarukhan_unknown Sarukhan Armenia 40,29221 45,130679 46,24% E-M84 T2a1b2b

I4614 -3005 TUR_SE_Şırnak_BA Tatika (Southeast, Şırnak, Güçlükonak, Koçtepe köyü) Turkey 37,5432 41,8662 29,26% E-M34 T2c1c1

I14782 -1750 TUR_SE_Kilis_MBA_father.I14784.father.I14789 Oylum Höyük (Southeast, Kilis) Turkey 36,69 37,17 65,54% E-PF6748 H+152

I14784 -1745 TUR_SE_Kilis_MBA Oylum Höyük (Southeast, Kilis) Turkey 36,69 37,17 69,98% E-CTS9608 H


source paper :
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247


p.s
those that are not defined by the paper as e-m84>pf6751 probably also will fall on this branch if pribislav anlaysed them farther
there is the potential though that I4614 will be e-Z841>E-L791 with farther anlaysis
i am sorry for e-m123* but it doesn't appear here also like the more rare branches of e-m84:
e-s11168 (mine which more localised to south levant)
e-BY49153(south europe)
e-BY56570 ( south europe, mesopotamia)
but that was expected

 

[kingdavid]

this sample almost escaped my eyes
interesting this is under e-CTS10880/E-v1515 the parallel branch to our e-pf1962


I4540 1457-1631 AD TUR_SE_Mardin_PostMdv Aktaş Mevki (Southeast, Mardin, Midyat) Turkey 37,415 41,373 70,66% E-CTS10880 R0a2

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-CTS10880/

source:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm4247


p.s
might arrived originally from iraq or arabia to south turkey

 

[kingdavid]

from passa e1b1b1 great map
the e-m84 eastern scytian dude from the same research in south ural

https://i.imgur.com/SlhhnZh.png

Scythian MJ40 (ScySar_SU) - E-PF6746
(this branch is under e-m84 )

i gave the link to his bam file to theytree site

https://www.theytree.com/tree/E-CTS4483

https://www.theytree.com/usersample/31e5294d4decdf2197af0d7a6b2125cd.html

p.s
i guess if he was in a better quality they could defined him in farther downstream snp
than just e-m84 level
like branches e-pf6751 or e-y5435
we know some BMAC culture remain from turkmenistan fall on e1b1b1
so very likely it was some migration from the south to the north
as most sarmatians are r1a and Q not e1b1b1

 

[kingdavid]

e-m34 presence in the horn

[TABLE="class: wikitable sortable jquery-tablesorter"]
[TR]
[TD]Ethiopian Amhara[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]23.5[/TD]
[TD]Cruciani et al. 2004[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: wikitable sortable jquery-tablesorter"]
[TR]
[TD]Ethiopian Jews[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]13.6[/TD]
[TD]Cruciani et al. 2004[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


source:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181964/

p.s
i already knew it is significant in ethiopia ( specifically high in amhara group)
apparently also exist in eritrea
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/42878-L3f1b-C?p=660195#post660195
it is likely generally speaking that e-m34 arrived to east africa from a back migration from arabia
probably same migration who brought y haplogroup j1

 

[kingdavid]

e-m34 occure in yemen 8.1% (old paper i know still relevant though)

source :
https://www.nature.com/articles/5201934/figures/1

p.s
from yfull
clearly most modern yemenite samples fall on e-m84 branch not e-z841 branch

 

[kingdavid]

e-m34 occure in 10% in hazara from bamyan ( i assume they will probably be under e-pf6751 and e-y5435 if farther downstream will be done)
source :
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0076748

bamyan province inside the hazarajat :

p.s
interesting
it is likely some remnants from the native iranic speakers
who were absorbed by the mongols who invaded afghanistan
from wikipedia:
Notably, the Qara'unas, the Central AsianChagatai Turco-Mongols, the Ilkhanate and the Timurids, all of whom settled in Hazarajat and mixed with the local populations.

 

[agok]

check out the new ydna map feature from phylogeographer.com its pretty interesting

 

[kingdavid]

in bahrain e-m34 is 4.2% 24/562 23 y-str markers (predicted by nevgen predictor the paper also used this good predictor )

i looked at there haplotypes in supplementary file 1 of this paper :
there is more or less even splitt between e-m84 and e-z841 haplotypes under e-m34 in bahraini

total 4.2% e-m34 24/562 in bahraini males
250 capital e-m84( likely e-pf6751)
289 capital e-m84 ( likely e-pf6751)
547 capital e-m84( likely e-pf6751)
3 muharraq-e-m84(likely e-pf6751)
52 muharraq e-m84(likely e-pf6751)
132 muharraq-e-m84(likely e-pf6751)
144 muharraq-e-m84(likely e-pf6751)
188 muharraq e-m84(likely e-pf6751)
205 muharraq e-m84( likely e-y14899>f1539)
116 northern e-m84(likely e-pf6751)
426 northern e-m84(likely e-pf6751)
90 southern e-m84( likely e-pf6751)
206 southern e-m84( likely e-pf6751)
453 capital e-z841(likely e-y4972)
466 capital e-z841( likely e-z21466 )
594 capital e-z841(unknown e-z841 branch)
7 muharraq-e-z841(likely e-y4972)
41 muharraq-e-z841(likely e-y4972)
554 muharraq-e-z841(likely e-y2947)
320 northern-e-z841(likely e-y4972)
340 northern -e-z841(likely e-y4972)
439 northern e-z841(likely e-y4972)
440 northern e-z841( likely e-y4972)
489 northern -e-z841( likely e-y4972)


small bonus ( for any e-z830>v1515 members who happen to read this thread)
total 0.7% e-v1515 4/562 in bahraini
309 capital e-v1515( likely e-v1515>ph1818)
122 muharraq e-v1515 ( likely e-v1515>v1700)
75 southern e-v1515(likely e-v1515>v1700)
247 southern e-v1515(likely e-v1515>v1700)


source:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-020-01696-4



p.s
side notes:
j2 is the most common y haplogroup in bahrain
there is also presence of 4.4% e-m78 25/562 in bahraini males

 

[Hawk]

It's my belief that E-M123/E-M34 are the original Proto Afro-Asiatic speakers and hence Proto-Semitic. It's contested between E-M123/E-M34 and E-M78 IMO. That's something we need to find out with aDNA.

 

[kingdavid]

important e-m84>e-y5435 downstream in eritrea ( probably introduced from arabia to eritrea)
i do wonder if it was brought to eritrea at the same wave that came to ethiopia

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/42878-L3f1b-C?p=668066

 

[christa]

this paper :

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00414-007-0153-y

e-m34 6.1% 10/162 in marche region (known snp : e-m35(xe3b1,e3b2,e-m224)
(17 y-str predicted by negven )

ht4- e-m84( likely e-m84>pf6751)(matelica)

ht5-e-m84(likely e-m84>pf6751)(matelica)

ht7-e-m84(likely e-m84>y5435)(urbino)

ht15-e-z841(likely e-z841>y4972)(ascoli piceno)

ht16-e-z841(likely e-z841>y6923)(fabriano)

ht17-e-z841(likely e-z841>y4972)(fabriano)

ht18-e-z841(likely e-z841>y2947)(fabriano)

ht19-e-z841(likely e-z841>y4972)(fabriano)

ht24-e-m84(likely e-m84>pf6751)(fabriano)

ht28-e-m84(likely e-m84>pf6751)(ascoli piceno)


ht31-e-L19>e-pf2431(ascoli piceno)





p.s

10/162 6.1% e-m34( splitt of e-m34 branches: 5/162 3% e-L-791 , 5/162 3% e-m84)

also
1/162 0.6% e-L19>pf2431( the 1 case is in ascoli piceno )

What are the STRs of the man y2947 of Fabriano?

 

[kingdavid]

What are the STRs of the man y2947 of Fabriano?

dys19,dys389i,dys389ii,dys390,dys391,dys392,dys393,dys385,dys438,dys439,dys458,dys635,dys456,dys437,dys448

13,13,30,24,9,11,15,15-17,10,11,17,21,15,14,20

p.s
but you need to put known snp m35 if you want to predict with nevgen tool

 

[Valerius]

FTDNA's global trekker feature - this is how they imagine E-m123*s migratory paths. Green is Agok's branch, blue is Euro/MENA E-PF4428 derived lineages:

View attachment 13995

 

[kingdavid]

FTDNA's global trekker feature - this is how they imagine E-m123*s migratory paths. Green is Agok's branch, blue is Euro/MENA E-PF4428 derived lineages:
View attachment 13995

I can't see
I am online pressing on the link attachment
But i get a messsge

P.s
Would be interesting to see agok indo-iranian branch movement